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  • niajade
    niajade Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    n0ob wrote: »
    You obviously have never heard about "archers" "stuns" and "blademasters". Ripping bite you say? Freeze arrow 8.0 seconds of the fly hanging in mid air doing nothing, while it's master gets stunned and shot to death.

    > Genies have an unstun still, and Demon Venos have a skill that can prevent stuns for a certain amount of seconds. It's all about timing. There are also anti-stun pots.
    n0ob wrote: »
    Ripping bite you say? Can it pierce through a heaven blademaster's 23k physical defense?.

    > Ripping bite is only meant to bleed out the mob/person. It is not mean to be the entire attack. There are ways to get through physical defense, such as amplyfying the damage (fox skill) and pulling hp from them (fox skill).

    n0ob wrote: »
    Venomancer you say? Can you actually make a hiero tick on blademaster with 13k physical defence and over 10k wood defence?

    > Yes, because from my 3 years of expereince playing Perfect World, I can tell that no one purposely ups their wood defense, instead these melee types generally up HP and Physical defense. You are missing a vital point here, it may be wood but is also a magical attack, which melee is usually not that prepared for.

    n0ob wrote: »
    Did you know an Axe Blademaster can keep any character stunned till it dies?

    > Were you aware that in fox form the fox can disorientate and slow ? They can pull 600-800 (demon) of your hp? Debuff you with one strike? Take your chi/spark? Take your MP? all Fox form skills. They they simply change form and kill. See, you cannot stun without a spark/chi. That is your fuel. And again, genies do have the ability to unstun (a skill) and venos do have a demon skill that can prevent stuns (and a level 79 skill).

    n0ob wrote: »
    Did you know archers have a purification skill and immunity to negative effects?

    > Archers are squishy and only work well at long ranges. An archer cannot target the veno -and- the pet at the same time and they have to choose. Choose pet, she heals - and if it is a Nix it can stun. Choose her, and she has 2 self heals (only one for human) and pet eats you.
    n0ob wrote: »
    Did you know archers have the maximum range in the game and the fastest things in the air?

    > Nix is fast also, and has a stun. Archers need to be far away from you to be effective, and Venos still have casting, lets also note they have specialized genie skills that hurt. They have one 79 skill that has random effects and the break armor hurts.
    n0ob wrote: »
    Did you know a venomancer cannot control it's pet outside 18m range?

    > Have you ever noted the speed of the venos air and land pets?
    n0ob wrote: »
    Did you know a heavy venomancer gets 1 shotted by pyrogram from a level 60 wizard? Did you know a Light Armor venomancer gets 1 shotted by all the other classes in the game?

    > This is generalizing. Venos are magic in nature, as a human they automatically have a higher magic defense and as fox they automatically have a higher physical defense, then the consideration is 'robe or light armor - and what stones'.

    n0ob wrote: »
    Do you know what predation (Armageddon) does to a pure int venomancer?

    > Not true. This goes back to their physical defense, which can be boosted with sockets, stones, refines and the right neck/cape/adorn etc... Aside, before the barbarian does perdition, all the veno has to do is>> Go fox form, pull his buffs, pull his mana, pull his chi/spark, and do a de-regenerate hp skill as well as amp. damage and disorienate + use the skil to offset their accuracy. Do this while pet kills.

    n0ob wrote: »
    Did you know if a venomancer is built on endurance(lots of HP so it never gets 1 shotted) it has the lowest damage in the game and can never kill anything?

    > Not true. My level 100 WF could take 4 perditions in a row, and not fight back and not use genie and end up winning because she used her demon bramble and her specialed skill (reflects damage back for a small fraction of time) My unbuffed magic attack was 11k, my unbuffed physical defense was 12k and my hp was 10k. My veno could solo the bosses in chronos with just her hercules or ... an cleric and no pet. I soloed my own fb79, did all my own culti bosses and could tank Team modes solo (all of 1, 2 and 3-1). My veno also co-tanked the boss in 2-2 (under the elf in the pit) sorry in my version it was called Balial - big, green wings and a pain to kill. My veno did it w/o an ep on them by self-heals, pots and genie heals.
    n0ob wrote: »
    And finally... Did you know the PVP rankings never had more than 2 venomancers before the phoenix was out?

    > I duel w/o my pets, and i generally win except against magic because I wore light armor. My crit was 18%, and I hit very very hard. I could kill any barbarian or melee type but did tend to have issues with archers because I simply do not fly well.
    n0ob wrote: »
    As stated before, they are good with the phoenix otherwise they're only good at running away or running around or PVE or in group wars where they are not the only target.

    A "good" PVP build for a venomancer would be one with pure INT. Don't add VIT, just give all your points to INT and use Robes with elemental defense gems. (it will protect you from mages)

    You will get 1 shotted by any physical damage (unless you are the master of Bramble and kite), but you can 1 shot most heavy armored characters. While your pet can kill any robe character. Max your Ironwood scarab, become a demon venomancer, get the demon Ironwood book and that's about all you need.

    p.s. If anyone says heavy armored venomancer is the best ask them to make one and find out for themselves.

    > There are many many good veno builds for pvping, but in the end, it comes down to your attack (int), and your adorns/stones. Physical defense is of the utmost. Neck, adorn, cloak. Your stones are very important also - and which type depends on what you do. My stones were a blend of hp and physical defense (2 of each), and I used refines on my weapon first and to boost my items with physical defense. I was light armor so had a lessor magical defense but I had a hard hitting physcial attack as fox -and thanks to my special weapon (did damage both ways).

    Its all about what you want to do.... there reallly is no right and wrong. INT Venos have VERY fast cast, where my light armor did not. BUT - I had high physical defense, and could withstand harsh aoes and I could survive if my pet died fairly easily.

    My fighting style is pve and I send my pet to one mob and i kill the other. When i tank, i use my tanking pet and I then go to fox.

    Very very many variations, but to say veno is weak just means you do not understand how to place the class effectively.

    BTW > A bee hurts.... a scorpion hurts.... the hercules and phoenix are not the 'be all' to venos. Hercules cannot tank ALL bosses - alot of boss aoes pretty much rip him up.
    Yestermoon - SB | Dawnglory
  • niajade
    niajade Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    if i see phoenix.... i go for stun and hope as hell it hits, then tiger and hit the veno with slow. that usually gives me enough time to finish her.

    For me killing barbarians are the easyest.

    I go fox, take buffs, take mana, take chi/spark - then do a deregen hp, amply and go human to hit with my hardest magic attack. During this time my nix has him on stun.

    Second I take his buffs, he's vunerable, second i take his mp/chi-spark, hes outta fuel.

    I also use the 79 skill and hope it hits magic armor break and armor break when I am human.

    Since I have two heals on my veno, and one on genie, and i make my own pots, I know I know I can keep going hp wise. Since I took his ability to regen - I am hoping my magic attack is enough to finish him off with my pet bleeding him.
    Yestermoon - SB | Dawnglory
  • Aniella - Harshlands
    Aniella - Harshlands Posts: 729 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    k buy nix be fail , by not know ur skils..u gona be owned has hell.

    to be good in pvp u need skils.

    1 lvl up char to 70+
    2. get a nice pet..train ur skills learn them!
    3 learn ur pet flash ream.
    4 duel slot learn ppls wekness.. W/O pet or use a weak 1.
    5 ONLY way to be a good pker, that don't relying on pet and be fail^^
    6. I pk alot peps that relying alot on pet.they are easy as *******
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    QQ If i did Crazy stone at 3x AND not 6x, i had been lvl 105 now!
    Didnt know about Bh/CrazyStone before lvl 6x LOL
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    n0ob wrote: »
    Just buy a phoenix, set the pet to defend mode and go afk or something. Check back once in a while and if you got killed just go out of the safezone and stand there.

    in other words,
    A venomancer pays $200 to PWI to buy a **** named "Blazing Phoenix"
    So, If you can't afford a phoenix don't play a venomancer for PVP, because they're plain useless on their own.

    fail

    Upgrade your fox skills and human form skills, venoes are OP

    10 chars
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    HA > LA > AR... GG

    HA + VIT = win b:bye
  • Criminal - Raging Tide
    Criminal - Raging Tide Posts: 585 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Aniella - Harshlands wrote: »
    k buy nix be fail , by not know ur skils..u gona be owned has hell.

    to be good in pvp u need skils.

    1 lvl up char to 70+
    2. get a nice pet..train ur skills learn them!
    3 learn ur pet flash ream.
    4 duel slot learn ppls wekness.. W/O pet or use a weak 1.
    5 ONLY way to be a good pker, that don't relying on pet and be fail^^
    6. I pk alot peps that relying alot on pet.they are easy as *******

    This hurts my eyes.
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  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Veno PvP skill doesn't exist pre-95. Pre-95 its all about sending your nix and surviving really. Post 95, when people start actually having good gear and a nix bleed is nothing, real PK skills come out. A veno's only good in PvP for two things: purge and amp. In an unbuffed situation, however, venos fall behind all other classes except maybe low HP barbs that can't perdition through a charm tick.
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  • niajade
    niajade Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »
    Veno PvP skill doesn't exist pre-95. Pre-95 its all about sending your nix and surviving really. Post 95, when people start actually having good gear and a nix bleed is nothing, real PK skills come out. A veno's only good in PvP for two things: purge and amp. In an unbuffed situation, however, venos fall behind all other classes except maybe low HP barbs that can't perdition through a charm tick.

    Not true..

    It is not about owning a phoenix, or refines or anything other then knowing 'the other classes' - their weakness and strengths and how to counter their attacks.

    Even a lower level veno can pvp if they just understand when to use fox form, when to use human and how the other classes are strong/weak and of course possible builds of other classes that might compromise this.
    Yestermoon - SB | Dawnglory
  • Desiree - Harshlands
    Desiree - Harshlands Posts: 635 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    niajade wrote: »
    Not true..

    It is not about owning a phoenix, or refines or anything other then knowing 'the other classes' - their weakness and strengths and how to counter their attacks.

    Even a lower level veno can pvp if they just understand when to use fox form, when to use human and how the other classes are strong/weak and of course possible builds of other classes that might compromise this.

    My point really is that its unbalanced PvP. Venos with nixes are incredibly unbalanced pre-95 or even pre-90 gear. Purely because everyone's pdef from their gear is wayyy too low. Yes, a skilled player can beat a highly inexperienced nix veno. But if the veno somehow gets Flesh Ream off on you, you're dead or close to dead regardless of how skillful you are. The comparison I'm making here is like pitting two lvl 100 wizards against each other, one with a +12 weapon and the other with an NPC weapon. Its just sheer imbalance.

    I've also PKd enough at lower levels with a sawfly to recognize how imbalanced Flesh Ream is really. But after 90, it is no longer strong enough to kill targets alone and becomes more and more insignificant as people gear up. In end-game veno PKing, people aren't afraid of the nixes - they're afraid of the purge.
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  • Okeano - Harshlands
    Okeano - Harshlands Posts: 4,943 Arc User
    edited June 2010
    Desiree - Harshlands wrote: »
    My point really is that its unbalanced PvP. Venos with nixes are incredibly unbalanced pre-95 or even pre-90 gear. Purely because everyone's pdef from their gear is wayyy too low. Yes, a skilled player can beat a highly inexperienced nix veno. But if the veno somehow gets Flesh Ream off on you, you're dead or close to dead regardless of how skillful you are. The comparison I'm making here is like pitting two lvl 100 wizards against each other, one with a +12 weapon and the other with an NPC weapon. Its just sheer imbalance.

    I've also PKd enough at lower levels with a sawfly to recognize how imbalanced Flesh Ream is really. But after 90, it is no longer strong enough to kill targets alone and becomes more and more insignificant as people gear up. In end-game veno PKing, people aren't afraid of the nixes - they're afraid of the purge.

    BS. Des's got a hax golem that almost bleed me to death with just one FR >_<.

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