Sage+interval=?

Honestly, I would think that decreasing the attack speed by 65% (Demon) rather than the max health reduction by 10% would be more appealing, especially for someone who just uses that combination of Rib Strike and regular attacks. Still, I don't see anything wrong with it except the 30 second cooldown of Relentless Courage compared to the 0 cooldown of spark and our Chi gaining skills. Nonetheless, to each their own, and if you choose to do Sage with this, good luck.

yes it is self spammable, but is it really worth going demon just for the spark?

im 2 levels away and leaning towards sage just cause the skills rock(really want that bloodpaint)

GetPoked - Sanctuary wrote: »

yes it is self spammable, but is it really worth going demon just for the spark?

im 2 levels away and leaning towards sage just cause the skills rock(really want that bloodpaint)

demon has more 1 sec of stun on headhunt and 2 sec on shadow teleport, more 80% of evasion when using maze steps and heal of 10% HP on inner harmony... for me those skills r better than bloodpaint... b:victory

ps: u can get the sage bloodpaint if u r in squad with a sage sinb:laugh

ok i am sage and im gettin all the interval i can even though im not the richest guy on the server. fisrt off relentless courage is fail. id much rather use my genie to do tangeling mire and hit 50% harder then a little bit faster. second line of business is the strong rumor (havent heard it from a GM yet) that they will be taking the -int out of demon spark and giving it an extra 65% attack instead.(instead of 500% weapon damage it will be 565%) im curious to see how that will play out.

im a demon sin -
i agree sage skills are better no doubt.

but considering a sin can put out 3 triple sparks in a row if u can use 2 skills on somthing or 2 triple sparks just standing still.

i went demon becuase of the attack speed. just like archers we are a DPS class

high dmg may not show as much in the lower intervals but when your nearing your end game gear you notice the difference.
for example.

im demon sin and on triple spark i hit 2.50 with tt100 daggers +7 with 2 garnets. and in nirvana no one can get agro but fist BM and archers with higher attack speed.

so i reccomend people who hate chill of the deep and you are doing and interval bonus go demon

those who like chill of the deep and who dont like intervals go sage
(DPS = damage per second)

If you really want that interval, go Demon & don't learn any of your demon skills. Get all your gear together, then convert to Sage =P 200 mirages is a piece of cake with BH100 (which you'll be getting by the time you can convert, anyways), and 10 gold for the Celestial Schism Mold is nothing.

Easier to farm as a Demon (because of higher aps, regardless of base interval, due to demon spark), but in PK/PvP I believe Sage can (ironically) do better than Demon.

Regenbogen - Lost City wrote: »

sage can get 5aps with fist unsparked
permaspark + 3%bloodpaint + 20%critdamage for 30minutes = PvEgod

ever wanted to solo your own fb99 or nirvana?

Would rather kill anybody on the server. I think demon still looks better for pvp.

Never forget that demon can reach 5 att/s whit chill of the deep up (sage can't) = tons of attacks + high attack lvl. This is a incredible OP,don't know why ppl always forget about this.

They forget this because you cant have 5att/s with chill using daggers. They can however, with fists.

_Nettuno_ - Harshlands wrote: »

I'm not so good in math but demon chill of the deep has a speed reduction of 70%,not 100% and nirvana daggers *can* reach -0.15

Yes,this may become a big,big BIG waste of crystals and coins (i don't think will be so easy to have 3 -0.05 on 3 addons lol) but as said demon is the expensive path so...enjoy b:laugh

nirvana daggers can NOT get to -.15

you get 1 major stat and 2 minor stats. the interval are only in the minor stats

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

just choose depending on which will NOT make u a squishyER sin. Most of the sins i go nirvana with grab aggro fast but they also die AS fast its pathetic. (limited to PvE)b:surrender

probably because they didnt refine their armor, only their weapon b:surrender

Kyrael - Dreamweaver wrote: »

So, seeing as the sage/demon skills for sins are out (despite the lv99 req...), I've started to consider which path I'm going to take. Looking at the skills I've noted that the sage skills have bonuses I'd most likely use more, but the demon spark is veeeeery nice looking because of the attack speed boost. b:dirty (Plus the shiny red 'splosion of color b:chuckle)

The thing is, I don't want to go demon just for the spark, but the rest of the skills aren't appealing enough to me compared to sage. I'm not a skill spammer (on mobs I tend to Rib Strike>auto attack), which is what most people are grouping sage with, but I do on occasion use other skills on bosses and whatnot that would be further amplified by sage bonuses.

What I'm getting at is, is it a good idea to shoot for a sage sin with plenty of -interval gear? Of course, theoretically I couldn't hit 5aps without using a genie skill or something (like Relentless Courage, which I already have on my str genie), but I doubt I'd ever have the coin to get a full set of -int gear, even endgame. So, all things considered, I've thought of going sage when I reach that level and then shooting for as many -int gears as possible to round out my playing style.

Anyone else have opinions on this? Should I stick to the basic idea of sage=skill spammer or go my own way? I'd rather not eventually be switching cultis seeing as I'm such a poor person. b:surrender

Kyrael just go sage.
I'm not sure why Trawne said you can't get -.15 on the nirv daggers because if you can get -0.1 and -.05 for the two minor bonuses like he said a long time ago, then you can have 5 aps as a sage sin under no buff.
cape = -.05
tome = -.05
TT 99 LA boot + glove = -.15 interval
TT 99 HA necklace + belt = -.05
rank 8 = -.1
nirv pants = -.05
niv dagger = -.15
Total = -.6 interval = 5 APS under no buffs.

But lets say you can't get -.15 on nirv daggers and only -.1, that puts you at 4 APS. Now you have MANY options to hit 5 attacks. Don't listen to the people who say stuff like "Oh gosh relentless courage isn't spammable" that try to turn you away from sage.
Let me list some of your options:
1 - If I did the math right and PWI rounds down at 0.225 to 0.2, then you only need a 10% IAS buff to reach 5 aps. This means your genie only needs 20 strength points to raise you to 5 aps using Relentless Courage. Now you have TONS of genie attribute points left for energy and vitality.
2 - Again, if I did the math correctly, use a genie level 1 Wind Shield skill. This skill raises attack speed by 10% - for 8 seconds (like Relentless Courage) and costs 35 energy. Cooldown is ONE second for this skill. Think about this, if your genie had 140 energy then you can use it 4 times. Considering that the duration is 8 seconds, by the time you're done using it 4 times, you're just about ready to use it again.
4 - Whenever your Slipstream procs, you will hit 5 aps.
3 - There are other things, like cleric RB or the potion that gives you 25% IAS.

In my honest opinion, Sage Rib Strike > Demon Rib Strike. People say it's useless even against barbs with high HP, but I respectfully disagree. Lets say you're fighting someone with 5000 HP (a very reasonable amount that shouldn't be considered endgame). Hit them with rib strike first, and you just did: base physical damage + 100% weapon damage + 4495 damage + 500 hit points of your opponent regardless of their defenses. I don't know about you, but to me an extra 500 hit points on a heavy armor user with over 13k physical defense is beautiful.

There are also a lot of people saying that the demon versions of Bloodpaint/Maze steps are better. Lol. Step into the archer forum and they'll tell you how underpowered evasion is in this game. No matter how much evasion I stack, low levels always seems to be able to hit me. I believe it's because evasion works in a way of decreasing returns. You get to a point where stacking more evasion helps you less and less. All things considered, magic bypasses evasion and will never miss you due to your evasion %.

I Love Focused Mind. It has saved me so many times, especially in PvP. This wizard undined + genie poison amped + BIDS me for 1 damage. I won that fight only because of Focused Mind. Sage Focused Mind is ridiculous in my opinion - it means that out of every 3 hits you take (magic or physical), 1 of those attacks will have their damage nullified.

Lastly, I wanted to tell you that if you do skill spamming, the best way to go about that is to create lock-combos. People tell you that demon is better for this, but I'd also tell you differently. In long locking combos that last for a more than 50 seconds, Throatcut is essential. In all my lock-combos, Throatcut is the most often used skill - it's 8 second cooldown and 4 second lock are a godsend. Please consider this - in one of my combos I use Throatcut 10 times - BUT I only have a 59.9% chance of hitting the seal effect every single time, thus creating a perfect combo. Imho, 59.9% isn't reliable. Guess what? Sage Throatcut hits seal 100% of the time, everytime.

All in all, I believe demon sins can deal more damage than sage sins, but when they fight against each other, the sage will win. Even if a demon sin could swing 5 times a second at you with daggers and Chill of the Deep on (+30 Atk. Lvs), your spark gives you a 25% damage reduction (not to mention also either a 33.3% chance to nullify damage or a 66.6% to negate a status ailment).

This is coming from a demon sin.

Just Showing what a Cash Shop Sage Sin could Do


http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fe80014d60163227



(No shards, just look at Interval at a constant rate oh +25% damage reduction + the Bloodpaint they going to be getting off the target they hitting)

If i put shards/refines in those, i think this sin could in fact live with constant fire on him as he attacks and kills a barb in about 5 secs? *shrugs*

nirvana daggers can NOT get to -.15

you get 1 major stat and 2 minor stats. the interval are only in the minor stats

Kyrael just go sage.
I'm not sure why Trawne said you can't get -.15 on the nirv daggers because if you can get -0.1 and -.05 for the two minor bonuses like he said a long time ago, then you can have 5 aps as a sage sin under no buff.

There is no -0.1 int for the minor bonus. Therefore the max on a nirvana is -0.05 + -0.05.

*i don't know how to quote part of the post,so i'll copy and paste*

""cape = -.05
tome = -.05
TT 99 LA boot + glove = -.15 interval
TT 99 HA necklace + belt = -.05
rank 8 = -.1
nirv pants = -.05
niv dagger = -.15""

-Very good equip,i'm saving (and i'll kill myself in TT) to have it. Don't know, pwdatabase say the nirvana dagger get up to 3 addons (first) and a unique addon, so if -0.15 is not possible it's cause an interval cap, and i don't know anything about that (my bad b:surrender)

""But lets say you can't get -.15 on nirv daggers and only -.1, that puts you at 4 APS. Now you have MANY options to hit 5 attacks. Don't listen to the people who say stuff like "Oh gosh relentless courage isn't spammable" that try to turn you away from sage.
Let me list some of your options:
1 - If I did the math right and PWI rounds down at 0.225 to 0.2, then you only need a 10% IAS buff to reach 5 aps. This means your genie only needs 20 strength points to raise you to 5 aps using Relentless Courage. Now you have TONS of genie attribute points left for energy and vitality.
2 - Again, if I did the math correctly, use a genie level 1 Wind Shield skill. This skill raises attack speed by 10% - for 8 seconds (like Relentless Courage) and costs 35 energy. Cooldown is ONE second for this skill. Think about this, if your genie had 140 energy then you can use it 4 times. Considering that the duration is 8 seconds, by the time you're done using it 4 times, you're just about ready to use it again.
4 - Whenever your Slipstream procs, you will hit 5 aps.
3 - There are other things, like cleric RB or the potion that gives you 25% IAS.""


-Yes, using genie u can reash 5 APS but, as i said in my last post, this make your genie "busy". In order to kill someone you should not just reach that attack rate, u should be able to attack and hit, if your opponent keep on run away will be totally useless. In my opinion occult ice it's a great skill, a must for a "demon assassin's genie" or for any interval char, so u can't "waste" your genie using any other skill.

""In my honest opinion, Sage Rib Strike > Demon Rib Strike. People say it's useless even against barbs with high HP, but I respectfully disagree. Lets say you're fighting someone with 5000 HP (a very reasonable amount that shouldn't be considered endgame). Hit them with rib strike first, and you just did: base physical damage + 100% weapon damage + 4495 damage + 500 hit points of your opponent regardless of their defenses. I don't know about you, but to me an extra 500 hit points on a heavy armor user with over 13k physical defense is beautiful.""

-Yes, i agree. Demon rib is my opinion is better when you solo a boss (65% reduciont of attack rate + 100% interrupt will make the boss almost armless). For any other use sage rib is better.(i repeat, personal opinion)

""There are also a lot of people saying that the demon versions of Bloodpaint/Maze steps are better. Lol. Step into the archer forum and they'll tell you how underpowered evasion is in this game. No matter how much evasion I stack, low levels always seems to be able to hit me. I believe it's because evasion works in a way of decreasing returns. You get to a point where stacking more evasion helps you less and less. All things considered, magic bypasses evasion and will never miss you due to your evasion %.

I Love Focused Mind. It has saved me so many times, especially in PvP. This wizard undined + genie poison amped + BIDS me for 1 damage. I won that fight only because of Focused Mind. Sage Focused Mind is ridiculous in my opinion - it means that out of every 3 hits you take (magic or physical), 1 of those attacks will have their damage nullified.""

-Agree whit these points too, many many archers QQ about how **** evasion is and how unfair is that a barb still hit em even if they use the 1000% evasion buff (not 80% or 50% but 1000%!!!). Even whit a good use of the evasion, 33% focused mind it's a fking (sorry for the bad word) overpowered skill and 3% it's amazing. Never forget of 20 minutes of wolf embrem, even if it's lowered to 20% (i HATE 30 seconds buff, sometimes i forget to use it...sage assassins will never have this problem).

In the end yes, most of the sage's (if not almost all) skills are better but again, i belive that demon assassin don't relly need skills, his game it's all around the spark.
Just think about this: demon spark from distance and shadow teleport (ISTANT 35 METERS 5 SECONDS STUN, incredible overpowered) and auto attack=win. Is still alive? Occult ice.
Power dush: everyone say the sage version is better but once again it has 30% chance of freeze the target for 3 seconds and this is all u need to kill someone (15 swings+chill of the deep+40% rage amp). This skill is made for demon (always my opinion) cause the auto attack after the animation.

Last word: anyone know that 3 spark take u out from the stealth. This force a skill spammer assassin to use the 2 spark cause the long animation of the 3 spark that can end the surprise effect and give to the opponent all the time he/she need to run away. Once again an useless addon like the one gave to the shadow walk (faster animation so lowered the casting time) make you able to spark from distance and return to stealth (maybe running near the opponent whit the longer wind push).

All demon's skill round around the demon spark, so are not so strong by themself but become superb if used in the proper way.

I see the sage assassin very very good as solo class,maybe using heavy armor and fist/decide to always have 5 APS, this cause the long time of the sage buffs that allow you to use dagger again just when u need to rebuff.(a real pve monster)

For pvp/pk demon look better suited (my opinion)

b:bye