Sage+interval=?

Daggster - Lost City

skyxiii wrote: »

Kyrael just go sage.
I'm not sure why Trawne said you can't get -.15 on the nirv daggers because if you can get -0.1 and -.05 for the two minor bonuses like he said a long time ago, then you can have 5 aps as a sage sin under no buff.
cape = -.05
tome = -.05
TT 99 LA boot + glove = -.15 interval
TT 99 HA necklace + belt = -.05
rank 8 = -.1
nirv pants = -.05
niv dagger = -.15
Total = -.6 interval = 5 APS under no buffs.

But lets say you can't get -.15 on nirv daggers and only -.1, that puts you at 4 APS. Now you have MANY options to hit 5 attacks. Don't listen to the people who say stuff like "Oh gosh relentless courage isn't spammable" that try to turn you away from sage.
Let me list some of your options:
1 - If I did the math right and PWI rounds down at 0.225 to 0.2, then you only need a 10% IAS buff to reach 5 aps. This means your genie only needs 20 strength points to raise you to 5 aps using Relentless Courage. Now you have TONS of genie attribute points left for energy and vitality.
2 - Again, if I did the math correctly, use a genie level 1 Wind Shield skill. This skill raises attack speed by 10% - for 8 seconds (like Relentless Courage) and costs 35 energy. Cooldown is ONE second for this skill. Think about this, if your genie had 140 energy then you can use it 4 times. Considering that the duration is 8 seconds, by the time you're done using it 4 times, you're just about ready to use it again.
4 - Whenever your Slipstream procs, you will hit 5 aps.
3 - There are other things, like cleric RB or the potion that gives you 25% IAS.

In my honest opinion, Sage Rib Strike > Demon Rib Strike. People say it's useless even against barbs with high HP, but I respectfully disagree. Lets say you're fighting someone with 5000 HP (a very reasonable amount that shouldn't be considered endgame). Hit them with rib strike first, and you just did: base physical damage + 100% weapon damage + 4495 damage + 500 hit points of your opponent regardless of their defenses. I don't know about you, but to me an extra 500 hit points on a heavy armor user with over 13k physical defense is beautiful.

There are also a lot of people saying that the demon versions of Bloodpaint/Maze steps are better. Lol. Step into the archer forum and they'll tell you how underpowered evasion is in this game. No matter how much evasion I stack, low levels always seems to be able to hit me. I believe it's because evasion works in a way of decreasing returns. You get to a point where stacking more evasion helps you less and less. All things considered, magic bypasses evasion and will never miss you due to your evasion %.

I Love Focused Mind. It has saved me so many times, especially in PvP. This wizard undined + genie poison amped + BIDS me for 1 damage. I won that fight only because of Focused Mind. Sage Focused Mind is ridiculous in my opinion - it means that out of every 3 hits you take (magic or physical), 1 of those attacks will have their damage nullified.

Lastly, I wanted to tell you that if you do skill spamming, the best way to go about that is to create lock-combos. People tell you that demon is better for this, but I'd also tell you differently. In long locking combos that last for a more than 50 seconds, Throatcut is essential. In all my lock-combos, Throatcut is the most often used skill - it's 8 second cooldown and 4 second lock are a godsend. Please consider this - in one of my combos I use Throatcut 10 times - BUT I only have a 59.9% chance of hitting the seal effect every single time, thus creating a perfect combo. Imho, 59.9% isn't reliable. Guess what? Sage Throatcut hits seal 100% of the time, everytime.

All in all, I believe demon sins can deal more damage than sage sins, but when they fight against each other, the sage will win. Even if a demon sin could swing 5 times a second at you with daggers and Chill of the Deep on (+30 Atk. Lvs), your spark gives you a 25% damage reduction (not to mention also either a 33.3% chance to nullify damage or a 66.6% to negate a status ailment).

This is coming from a demon sin.

nice summary ... but i guess getting rank8 is quite insane!
Aren't there setbonuses with -int on nirvana sets too?
If they got those i would use nirvana plate instead of the rank8.

I think sage is the way to go for people that like to have more options in pvp. Demons focus on -int and their stuns, yes 5sec stun from a 35m port skill is nice .... but take a look @ the cooldown -.- 3mins sucks. I agree that demon headhunt is better than the sage one, which is an argument of many demon sins, but their statement that the sage one sucks is simply false! save 1 spark = 1 throatcut rdy to go which is known as a pretty effective skill.

if you are right on the wind shield calculation that's some of the most awesome things at all, i'm already thinking about a new genie-build: high vit, decent dex, lowest str, mag as u prefer but i would suggest lowest (my first opinion str lowest, mag lowest, dex 50, vit max)
skills should be:
tangling mire(lvl10)
bramble rage(lvl10)
windshield(lvl1)
expel(lvl10)

50 dex increases the windshield duration to 9 sec and expel to 10 and increases bramble rage damage
i don't know if it works but with tidal protection(sage one 66% if i'm right) u might be able to resist the silence effect of expel = 10 sec immunity O.O would be pretty nice :-P
takeing suggestions for further skills ^^

Daggster - Lost City

_Ghostz_ - Archosaur wrote: »

Just Showing what a Cash Shop Sage Sin could Do


http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=fe80014d60163227



(No shards, just look at Interval at a constant rate oh +25% damage reduction + the Bloodpaint they going to be getting off the target they hitting)

If i put shards/refines in those, i think this sin could in fact live with constant fire on him as he attacks and kills a barb in about 5 secs? *shrugs*

if u want to cash shop then do it right ya ... 6.67 aps ijs xD
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7bc828d392efb3d9
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=86fd6ac687c54819

Neddih - Harshlands

Daggster - Lost City wrote: »

if u want to cash shop then do it right ya ... 6.67 aps ijs xD
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=7bc828d392efb3d9
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=86fd6ac687c54819

are you cash shopping a BM or a Sin...


http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=892d98024e1bf70b

5aps with much higher damage since you get your 75-90% dagger devotionb:bye

not to mention the crit rateb:shocked

Daggster - Lost City

if u wanna go for max dmg too u should restat a bit and use CoA-Rings instead of cv since they give u 7-8dex each and still have 3% crit

look here: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=bd3b9966286aad61

Rice_hero - Lost City

before anyone says " GO SAGE BECAUSE THE SKILLS ARE AWESOME"

skill books are well... "SUPER EXPENSIVE!" if you're just an average player

i've seen some of the skills everyone talk about so much for about 15mill+

while free demon spark +25% more speed is priceless & free ^^

but then again if you're not rich or dedicated to working hard for your gears, you'll get no where in this game

so all in all, its still preference on where you're headed*