Veno Bramble Hood

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pierrevr1
pierrevr1 Posts: 22 Arc User
edited June 2010 in Venomancer
With assassins becoming a problem at high level in pvp, When are veno,s gonna get bramble hood fixed so it works properly like it was designed to? And i dont want to play a sin - i want bramble hood working as it should.
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  • threepointone
    threepointone Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    pierrevr1 wrote: »
    With assassins becoming a problem at high level in pvp, When are veno,s gonna get bramble hood fixed so it works properly like it was designed to? And i dont want to play a sin - i want bramble hood working as it should.

    It works in duels and TW's, I don't get what's wrong with it. I use it in world PvP anyway, the damage reduction is nice.
  • Waterfal - Sanctuary
    Waterfal - Sanctuary Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    bramble hood isn't broken. It's nerfed just like bramble guard.
    In pvp it doesn't work. In duels it does. Hood still reduces damage taken though you wont make sins one-shot-crit themselves on ya.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    Bramble hood and bramble reflect shouldn't work in PvP. That would be more broken than -int without comparison.
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  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    Working reflect would be pretty OP, if not gamebreaking for some classes - especially since its such an easy skill to cast/use. Remember not only venos would have it on.

    Maybe if it worked in a nerfed state in PvP...
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  • SerenityMare - Dreamweaver
    SerenityMare - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,211 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    Regarding Bramble Hood, It's in my skill list but when I try to get it, it says requisite skill level too low. Anyone know why?
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  • MysticViewer - Heavens Tear
    MysticViewer - Heavens Tear Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    Do you have bramble guard maxed? You cannot use bramble hood until bramble guard is maxed ^^ Otherwise, I have no idea.
  • Admante - Dreamweaver
    Admante - Dreamweaver Posts: 323 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    How about making reflect suffer 1/4 penalty in PvP just like damage?
  • Waterfal - Sanctuary
    Waterfal - Sanctuary Posts: 2,723 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    that sounds fair to me :o
    I mean.. in duel.. I love it when a sin does a crit and 'accidentaly' reflects over 2k b:laugh poof half of hp gone if not more >:D
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  • KissAndKill - Dreamweaver
    KissAndKill - Dreamweaver Posts: 750 Arc User
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    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Bramble hood and bramble reflect shouldn't work in PvP. That would be more broken than -int without comparison.

    Then fix Expel.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    KissAndKill - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Then fix Expel.

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  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
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    KissAndKill - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Then fix Expel.

    lolwut

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  • Jennalicious - Sanctuary
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    Lets nerf everything so nothing works as it should. -.-
  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    Like veno's swimming mastery?
  • Yulk - Heavens Tear
    Yulk - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,951 Arc User
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    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Bramble hood and bramble reflect shouldn't work in PvP. That would be more broken than -int without comparison.

    The only thing shouldn't work in PVP is Increase threat LVL and knockbacks
    Like in PVE targeting after chi or mana.


    Although bramble is nerfed, doesn't change the facts that venoes are still easy to play till boredom b:surrender
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  • volst
    volst Posts: 180
    edited June 2010
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    PWI and its customers aren't important enough for devs to ever care, so stop complaining. Unless you count that suggestion I made of giving sage bubble of life a purify effect, but then again that wasn't a complaint. b:chuckle
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
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    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Bramble hood and bramble reflect shouldn't work in PvP. That would be more broken than -int without comparison.
    lol like that would be broken...
    when everyone else is running around with +12 gear, venos are the most underpowered class around. what is their main weapon (except support class), a nix? already doing low damage on many player on my server
  • Sinalee - Dreamweaver
    Sinalee - Dreamweaver Posts: 119 Arc User
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    ppl always cry about other classes being OP, well all classes r on differend points.

    Yes venos r weak in pvp/dual etc, and im tired of ppl wantign to dual me and then say "but don't use pet" cuz pet is our only chance to even get near other casters dmg. anyways Hood workign in TW and pvp? ... i coudl c the problem (though i would find it awsome) me and a friend made this test in a dual.

    Barb 10k+ hp use spark hit me once and use arma, all thise while im in hood ... the barb completly 1hitted himself on that, i did nothing. Imaign that thing in a mass pvp or tw area and imagin it put when someone aoe, try put two hoods beside eachother (yeah would need insane prolly impossible timing but still) try get 200% ur own dmg returned twice ... ouch.

    But yes a skill should work as it is discribed or they shoudl fix the describtion. if BMs can stun everyoen in TW/Pvp why not let hood work, u can't really catch a skill with it unless u knwo the skill will fall on u. I can s hood being op in pvp/tw but i also c it rather hard to even hit the timing to use it that way.
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  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
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    kenlee wrote: »
    lol like that would be broken...
    when everyone else is running around with +12 gear, venos are the most underpowered class around. what is their main weapon (except support class), a nix? already doing low damage on many player on my server

    A veno with a +12 weapon is pretty brutal. There was one on LC, Nihmia... she pretty much ruled West Gate...

    Are you talking about Venos without +12 gears? If so, then your comment about venos not being able to take on chars with superior refines doesn't really mean much.

    Sinalee - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    if BMs can stun everyoen in TW/Pvp why not let hood work, u can't really catch a skill with it unless u knwo the skill will fall on u.

    /facepalm

    Ever heard of Parasitic Nova? How about make that single target... would that make you feel better?

    Sage purge? Probably the most OP PvP skill I can think of. Nerf that too?

    Sage soul degeneration? 20% sharptooth?

    Demon Ironwood? 100% armor break? That's no OP either.

    Myriad Rainbow?

    Yeah, veno is totally underpowered. lol

    How about make veno triple spark only 300% of normal damage instead of 700%?

    Yeah, venos are totally PW's pushovers.
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  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
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    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    A veno with a +12 weapon is pretty brutal. There was one on LC, Nihmia... she pretty much ruled West Gate...

    Are you talking about Venos without +12 gears? If so, then your comment about venos not being able to take on chars with superior refines doesn't really mean much.
    venos with +12 weapon isnt much of a treat to opponents with top gear and refined to max
    i would give you a pserver example, thats the best way to see for yourself where pwi is going in a few years. of course, now its pretty much a problem to meet someone with a weapon like that but not for long. barbs already getting close to 40k hp, more clerics have over 10k hp and so on

    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

    Ever heard of Parasitic Nova? How about make that single target... would that make you feel better?

    Sage purge? Probably the most OP PvP skill I can think of. Nerf that too?

    Sage soul degeneration? 20% sharptooth?

    Demon Ironwood? 100% armor break? That's no OP either.

    Myriad Rainbow?

    Yeah, veno is totally underpowered. lol

    How about make veno triple spark only 300% of normal damage instead of 700%?

    Yeah, venos are totally PW's pushovers.
    everything you said is about being a support veno. its far from being close or compared with wizards
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
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    kenlee wrote: »
    venos with +12 weapon isnt much of a treat to opponents with top gear and refined to max
    i would give you a pserver example, thats the best way to see for yourself where pwi is going in a few years. of course, now its pretty much a problem to meet someone with a weapon like that but not for long. barbs already getting close to 40k hp, more clerics have over 10k hp and so on

    We're not at Pserver status just yet and cash shop venos are just as OP as any other cash shop class in PvP. Of course like every class, they have their strengths and weaknesses which change on how they're geared. Of course, arcane will be strong against magic and weak against physical... as is the opposite with heavy armor venos.

    If you're on LC, I'd hardly call Pippins or ElectraArya pushovers, they're not even +12. Hell, even look at Oinne... kelbin's veno. +11 NP but the rest of his gear is like +3 or +4... and korren is pretty brutal as well... their survivability is nothing short of amazing. Sure a lot of it involves kite and run, but that's part of playing your class right?

    I really don't see how a well geared veno is underpowered.

    *shrug*

    everything you said is about being a support veno. its far from being close or compared with wizards

    How is Parasitic Nova, 8 second freeze, ironwood scarab 100% armor break and purge not offensive PvP skills?

    I don't think there is any class that is as broken as a mage at end-game PvP. More power to them. They had to struggle from 1-99, they seriously earned what they have.
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  • sleepcat
    sleepcat Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    Bramble Hood OP what? Bramble Guard I can understand since it lasts at least 10 minutes and is castable on anyone, but Bramble Hood is only 15 seconds and a self-cast only. Maybe you could like, kite away and not hit the Veno until Hood is down? It feels a bit cliche saying this but I feel the urge to say that no one is forcing you to hit the Veno when Bramble Hood is up. I don't see how it is overpowered when it is primarily used as a defensive skill.

    I'm doing fine without Bramble Hood reflect working properly in PvP, but I am a bit intrigued that it's one of the only skill effects that is specifically disabled in PvP whereas there are other similarly damaging effects that aren't disabled in open PvP.
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  • _LiVe_eViL_ - Sanctuary
    _LiVe_eViL_ - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
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    sleepcat wrote: »
    Bramble Hood OP what? Bramble Guard I can understand since it lasts at least 10 minutes and is castable on anyone, but Bramble Hood is only 15 seconds and a self-cast only. Maybe you could like, kite away and not hit the Veno until Hood is down? It feels a bit cliche saying this but I feel the urge to say that no one is forcing you to hit the Veno when Bramble Hood is up. I don't see how it is overpowered when it is primarily used as a defensive skill.

    I'm doing fine without Bramble Hood reflect working properly in PvP, but I am a bit intrigued that it's one of the only skill effects that is specifically disabled in PvP whereas there are other similarly damaging effects that aren't disabled in open PvP.

    I kinda think they just kill off the reflect in pvp period cause it probably works on a similar coding (hood and guard) and didn't want melee to be limited that much vs veno in open pvp. I get your point though its weird how hood and guard is disabled but not soulburn. I wonder what i'd be like if roar worked for barbs in pvp.
  • Krue/ - Lost City8
    Krue/ - Lost City8 Posts: 2 Arc User
    edited June 2010
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    At above^
    Bramble guard is working in PVP.

    Bramble hood however, the 200% damage return effect does not work in PVP. Devs removed that due to the skill being over powered in PVP standards. But the damage taken decrease is still effective. No error in coding there.
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
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    Krue/ - Lost City wrote: »
    At above^
    Bramble guard is working in PVP.

    Bramble Guard has never worked in open map PvP. It works in Cube, TW and duels only.
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  • Krue/ - Lost City8
    Krue/ - Lost City8 Posts: 2 Arc User
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    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »
    Bramble Guard has never worked in open map PvP. It works in Cube, TW and duels only.


    I don't think this is true O_o. Maybe I'm just not killing enough venos...
  • Michael_Dark - Lost City
    Michael_Dark - Lost City Posts: 9,091 Arc User
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    Krue/ - Lost City wrote: »
    I don't think this is true O_o. Maybe I'm just not killing enough venos...

    Bramble reflect has never worked in open map PvP. There are some people that claim that it worked in the first few months of PWI, but the people who moved here from MY-EN will attest that it never has.
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  • Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973
    Asterelle - Sanctuary_1381265973 Posts: 7,881 Arc User
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    While they're at it make Knockback Arrow work in pvp.. it's totally worthless atm.
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  • Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver
    Squeakytoy - Dreamweaver Posts: 660 Arc User
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    The problem I have is: The devs removed the 200% damage reflect of bramble in open pvp because it was considered to be too powerful. Then they introduced the Psychic skill, Soulburn.

    Soulburn may only last 8 seconds, but its damage potential is far greater than that of Bramble Hood. It works on any attack or spell that deals damage, not only melee attacks. It damages you even if you attack someone other than the Psychic who cast it. And as far as I know, Soulburn cannot be purified.

    If Bramble Hood's damage reflect was deemed too "overpowered" then Soulburn should be considered the same. If the devs refuse to alter Soulburn, then at the very least, they should fix Bramble Hood's damage reflect in pvp.
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
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    Don't forget Demon Bramble lasts 15 minutes with 75% reflect and Sage Bramble lasts 20 minutes. Why are people QQing over BH? It's a lovely skill. I wish it worked in PK instances but so long as it does damage reduction, I'm happy.
  • Esuna - Raging Tide
    Esuna - Raging Tide Posts: 830 Arc User
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    Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »


    /facepalm

    Ever heard of Parasitic Nova? How about make that single target... would that make you feel better?

    Sage purge? Probably the most OP PvP skill I can think of. Nerf that too? 5m range around target, not OP at all.

    Sage soul degeneration? 20% sharptooth? Purify cata barb, fixed.

    Demon Ironwood? 100% armor break? That's no OP either. 20% chance, not reliable, **** off

    Myriad Rainbow? Mostly does nothing good

    Yeah, veno is totally underpowered. lol

    Fixed. gtfo.
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