Are Venomancers really hated?

People hate Venos because they can solo lots of stuff (especially with a Herc) without potions and without expensive gear... They are jealous. Herc Venos are wanted in many high lvl squads.

For some reason, I feel more people are hating on sins now compared to venos O.O

That is speaking from my experience though. But venos did use to be hated because of their abilities to solo and gain money. However, tweakz does have a point on the player. There are venos that cooperate really well and are very button crazy, holding their own by actively using various skills. I absolutely hate the venos that just hold down venomous scarab....

I haven't ever seen "veno hate", though I have hated other venos *lol's*. Like Hop above me said, lazy venos. XD I hate em~

*joins Hop and Kat*
Seems I am veno hater too... So many unskilled and lazy venos out there. I seriously started to avoid to squad up with another one, unless it is a friend.
Is it really so hard to use amp regulary? Send a spark to BM for HF or to some DD? Tell them to amp, they do it once and then goes back to DDing...

Guilty, but I feel like laughing when other veno in squad dies... b:sweat

So in short:
Be skilled and you wont be hated.

yep.. lazy veno's >.< horrible... though I look a bit like a 'lazy' veno while doing world bosses with faction... ^^' I don't wanna overwrite the demon/sage's DoT debuffs... so I just venomous.. amp when I see it's not on.. (it usually is on xP ) and send sparks to tank xD

otherwhise I try to keep all debuffs up.. hop into fox soon as amp has cooldown.. purge right away when I see a buff on a boss.. and then get to hear most veno's they met don't even purge the bosses x.x horrible...

I think venos are still considered a very stuck up class. Alot of people have mentioned it in faction chats in various factions.

Yes, people are jealous of the venos ability to solo and their lack or repair expenses, and sole ability to farm pets for huge amounts of coin. It's kind of unfair that while other classes are dependent on each other to do certain tasks, a veno can do almost any quest alone. Because of this, venos are more likely to quest alone and not help other people, thus leading to the view they're stuck up. They play solo in a game meant to be played with others, and imo, that defeats the point of the game but to each their own.

Most squads want a single veno in their squad for bramble, or to save on genie energy. Personally, I'd rather use my genie than have a veno pull so a zeal genie is a better option to me than a veno, despite their ability to pull from longer range. But, I do love bramble, and many barbs just can't manage their chi well enough so lending hand can save the day sometime. Also, their single mob debuffs speed things up quite nice, as well as having their pet take off some of the pressure on the barb to coralle and aggro every mob, when a pet can get some of the runners. All in all, they are actually decent squad mates to have. I'd say Cleric, Barb, BM, Veno, Sin, Archer, Wizard, Psychic in order of usefulness (people will argue) but they're somewhere in the middle.

Also, the expense of a legendary pet leads to two things:
One, most "good" venos are cash shoppers and needed to be to get their pet. This doesn't mean they're bad players, just frowned upon.
Two, people don't want anything but venos with a herc and for most venos, 90% +, that means they are considered a fail veno cause they haven't dished out $200 or 70 mil coin no matter how good they are at wielding their pet and doing everything a veno should.

I think sins have become the class everyone hates on now because they literally have the ability to become godly late game. They are somewhat a 1 dimensional build, all dex with maybe a tiny bit of vitality, so it takes no thinking to stat a leet Sin. You end up with a ton of cookie cutter copies who's only differences are the equipment, so Sin proness is based on coin/rl money spent on them. With the super high amounts of dmg, increases to attack speed, and skill blood paint they become a class that can infinitely heal themselves while having some of the highest damage output in the game, making them unkillable theoretically.

Was in BH100 squad just today. Other veno with Lv.80 weapon spamming venemous. Now I now her dmg is piddly compared to mine, so why am I the only one amping, ironwood, myriad, etc?

I think we just know our jobs too well that we can see the shortcomings in others so easily. Why aren't Barbs and BM's using the phys debuff more since there's is better? Why do clerics almost never use Elemental Seal? Why do I get multiple people requesting chi at the same time? - Am I supposed to use my Cloud Eruption for them? Why do some barbs and bms ignore adds in FF even when they're on the cleric? Why do some clerics stack IH when I'm obviously trying to lure? Why do wizards use knockbacks in dungeons when our pet is bound to follow into danger? Why do archers break up a nice group and waste our 2 spark AoEs? -Lets face it.. so many players just suck.b:sad

I don't really understand why people hate sins, yes they are good at killing but they have to get close and only have seconds to kill their target. I have not played the sins on this game yet but I have on every other game I have played, and everytime sins were seen as the worst class because people could not play them right. In this game people know how to play sins and are playing sins. Since they are good at they are hated for it. Really they just have the common sense that players lacked in the other games.

Finish this sentence, a Barb and a Sin walk into a bar....

Killing a sin is not hard, they have low health so they die fast, which is why they kill fast. If a sin gets in a 2 on 1 they die, if a sin runs into a tank they die, if a sin is attacked first they die.

Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »

I literally pull my a$$ off in fcc: tanking all the bosses except fragrance, passing sparks to the cleric, barb, and bm; debuffing and aoeing constantly.... heck, sometimes i even help pull halls.

I hardly see any venos do that

-Lol, I got tired of waiting a couple times and pulled the big room. Don't know why most barbs run through the middle of everything. You don't even have to get hit to lure them all. Just hope you have a BM or Barb to catch before BB. -lol

tweakz wrote: »

-Lol, I got tired of waiting a couple times and pulled the big room. Don't know why most barbs run through the middle of everything. You don't even have to get hit to lure them all. Just hope you have a BM or Barb to catch before BB. -lol

lol, well last few Fccs ive done have been a breeze. Pretty much a break for me. Have this lvl 99 sin in squad with Deicides. He demon sparks so much, he out DDs my herc. And yup, he can tank the whole Fcc. Granted i love tanking, it is nice to have a break from it every once in a while.

Edit: Lol, about the big room.... ive never pulled it. I usually just demon spark parasitic nova when after the barb roars, and the bm Hfs. Yea... ive stolen aggro like once or twice, and died. But 95% of the time. I dont, even with the crits. >.< I try to make sure i run with pros

tweakz wrote: »

I've made the comment before: "<- Should not be stealing aggro so easy". Why these BMs come in to 95+ FF with lvl 80 axes? They should be out earning something better: not doing FF.

Lol, well when i actually pull aggro and died -.- I think i timed it wrong that once.... Like, I didnt wait for the BM to stun, so sorta stupid on my part. So, i just make sure i wait for that and Hf. then i get epic 80k crits witha 3% crit rate b:shocked

People don't hate venos as much as before, as a veno I only got ditched once by a nub that did not know what a veno was able to do (helping HIM to solo a BH...) appart of that, I think as some people said, people are focused now on tideborns (assassin mostly).

I find Herc Veno really fun, yes, it costs a lot of money, and yes if you're not charging any money into the game it will be hard to get one, but once you get it you will just love it.

Just remember, the pet doesnt make the veno.

I saw a lv 70 veno die in bh39 b/c of her/his bad skills (running a lot, aggroing everything). While my lv 5X veno handled everything (while she was dead cussing outloud, lol.)

Isn't that epic? b:chuckle

If you are more like a solo player, get a veno, its the best choise for this gameplay. Not mentioning like 4893573 people have said, no potion consume nor huge bills for repairs = save a lot of money~
b:bye

i've never understood people 'hating' a class. being horribly annoyed and frustrated with how someone plays it, yes. but hating...? if someone is jealous, they can just start up and play their own veno. simple.

but i do want to ask something about assassins- is it just my bad luck, or are most/all assassins suicidal, and wind up getting everyone in the party killed, or heading for the hills when they steal aggro from the tank, get both of them killed. i hate to be like this, but i've gotten to where i cringe when i see an assassin in any squad im in as a veno, and i wont be the cleric in a squad if one is a member. i know, i know,im predujiced, but i like to stay alive. is it that the assassin class attracts young teenagers, who want to pretend they are ninjas, and 'die in the line of duty' mindset? b:question

Atropah - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think venos are still considered a very stuck up class. Alot of people have mentioned it in faction chats in various factions.

Yes, people are jealous of the venos ability to solo and their lack or repair expenses, and sole ability to farm pets for huge amounts of coin. It's kind of unfair that while other classes are dependent on each other to do certain tasks, a veno can do almost any quest alone. Because of this, venos are more likely to quest alone and not help other people, thus leading to the view they're stuck up. They play solo in a game meant to be played with others, and imo, that defeats the point of the game but to each their own.

Most squads want a single veno in their squad for bramble, or to save on genie energy. Personally, I'd rather use my genie than have a veno pull so a zeal genie is a better option to me than a veno, despite their ability to pull from longer range. But, I do love bramble, and many barbs just can't manage their chi well enough so lending hand can save the day sometime. Also, their single mob debuffs speed things up quite nice, as well as having their pet take off some of the pressure on the barb to coralle and aggro every mob, when a pet can get some of the runners. All in all, they are actually decent squad mates to have. I'd say Cleric, Barb, BM, Veno, Sin, Archer, Wizard, Psychic in order of usefulness (people will argue) but they're somewhere in the middle.

Also, the expense of a legendary pet leads to two things:
One, most "good" venos are cash shoppers and needed to be to get their pet. This doesn't mean they're bad players, just frowned upon.
Two, people don't want anything but venos with a herc and for most venos, 90% +, that means they are considered a fail veno cause they haven't dished out $200 or 70 mil coin no matter how good they are at wielding their pet and doing everything a veno should.

I think sins have become the class everyone hates on now because they literally have the ability to become godly late game. They are somewhat a 1 dimensional build, all dex with maybe a tiny bit of vitality, so it takes no thinking to stat a leet Sin. You end up with a ton of cookie cutter copies who's only differences are the equipment, so Sin proness is based on coin/rl money spent on them. With the super high amounts of dmg, increases to attack speed, and skill blood paint they become a class that can infinitely heal themselves while having some of the highest damage output in the game, making them unkillable theoretically.

venos keep trying to tame me.
b:shedtear

Yindra - Sanctuary wrote: »

It does. Your "powers" are determined by the pet. You might be able to stretch this a bit using expensive gear that adds magic attack and casting speed to beef up your healing, but it's still all about the pet: if you can outheal incoming damage then you're fine, else you're dead.

Your powers aren't determined by your pet, but by your own skill: Your reaction to a sudden squad wipe, knowing when to chi the barb or cleric, knowing when to debuff, knowing what to lure, and also knowing how to keep yourself alive without the dependance of your pet.