How would a person feel ?

Black_wolve - Sanctuary · May 2010

I have to say this and please let's be adult's and young adult's and not make this in to a flame war.

As myself i have to say this this game is for fun it's not real life it's for fun not sit there make fun of other's swearing at each other and making racest remarks to each other.

I seen way to much on here and no wonder some are moving on to other game's and quiting this game to much stuff going on .I go in to a t-t a person ask me ok we need a barb as kind as iam i join according to the rules as every one knows after t-t the banker does a even split to every one that help's on gear's for armor,wepon's etc also helps for repair's .

And i realy have to say this is not cheap for a barb i dont care what any one say's it's not . And i realized being a high level has a price now that some see what lv i become they all ask me help me all the time wich i dont mind if im not busy.

Any how i go in to this t-t after the run i did mention that i dont do t-t much they ask why i stated i been ripped off to many times and stuck with a masive repair bill while the rest make coin on the mat's and they seem to think it's funny well it's not.

I noticed some do take advange of high level's well when i started i did most of my quest solo and some quest i did in squads but either way i never took advange of any one.

As some know when we started there was no bh so leveling was harder then.In any case back to the subject i got upset over this and simple said im sorry i cant help you guys any more then a friend pm's me said what happen so i told him then i get a wisper from another player yelling at me i said omg who are you according to this group they told him i didn't want anything omg i love it when people put word's in my mouth.

So my point is this after getting a letter back from a gm and told me i have to becareful who i squad with this time i squad with some one i did know and still get yelled at plus no mats plus going through hell just because i sat there took time away tanked boss used up a charm plus had to do repairs only to ask where's my share.

I was told this last year so again does it matter who you know or dont know you will get some who will leave u dry.

Now this is becomming a issue and they wonder why a lot of barbs wont tank or do t-t's or anything im not the only barb been through this trust me.

And then after all this i got a couple mats for my trouble after a friend stood up and said something.

So what has this become greed,selfish,acting rude,nasty etc this is how some act on here omg grow up i bet they dont have to many friends.

I making this clear i will not do any t-t at all unless the group is fair to share mats at the end if i get burnt i hope they understand this i will not help them again.

I just dont understand why there's so much greed on here and the bad mouthing swearing the talking sex etc treating others like **** i never seen a game like this.

when i played myth wars and eudemons at least there and this is a fact if you where caught swearing in wc or common chat you would get a warning next time u loose 36 hour's of no chat and then if the person decides to do it again you would have to pay 2 mil at a npc to use all chats again.

So now i cleard some things off my chest and iam just making a point it's not nice to hurt other's or burn other's to sit there act like mr tuff guy and yell at some one u dont know for real.

My motto is treat those how u like to be treated you treat them wrong you get it back the same way .

So who has a commit on this forum who has been burnt in t-t or mistreated and by all means open up i know iam not the only one.

Danikovich - Heavens Tear · May 2010

maybe you are on the wrong server. At least I have always been very appreciated in Heavens Tear.

XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary · May 2010

this game attracts kids more than it does players. Iv always had an issue with most of the community here as most have come accross the same way they do to you. Iv never been a barb, but i do have a herc. And i have been used to tank TT's before without any compensation for my time. of course i dont have bills like yours, but i think tanking a TT for some person and them running off with the loots without compensation to me is just the same. Like you with other games, the communitys were more mature and were punished more. ONe game i played at had a "detention center" for violaters. Just a big empty dungeon where you could not leave if put there by the game or gm. The only way out of the empty dungeon was by the GM's permission. This was the first step before being banned. of course not all offensives landed you here, if they were big, you were banned. simple. There was even a time the GM's made a video recording of a person getting banned and posted it on their forums to show they are not playing around.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · May 2010

These why i feel bad each time i see a high lv barb get request to help from his friend.
Barb maintenance cost a lot forever, but number of people who actually care about these become less and less. Especially with something like BH, where it's not just mean many help request but also more noob high lv show up on your squad. (of course without knowing your burden for helping them)

NightRage - Raging Tide · May 2010

tl;dr

Welcome to the internet.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · May 2010

NightRage - Raging Tide wrote: »

tl;dr

Welcome to the internet.

These post is exact example of people that ignore someone else & making fun of them.
Just like what op thread say.

Lyritha - Heavens Tear · May 2010

I do not help people unless they are in my faction or a friend of mine... if I've known them for awhile thats the only reason... random TTs never work out.

RoidAbuse - Sanctuary · May 2010

Kittennice - Heavens Tear · May 2010

I get flamed for being an axe veno <.<
though I can tank -.-
^^But now its rare...errr.. maybe

Taken advantage of?
Yes, though I evade it as much as possible.

Haven't done a TT or even a bh in a while.
Random low levels I find to be awesome.
Most high levels are stuck up now.

It's mostly kids on the internet, sadly. And those that aren't kids, I feel ashamed for.
Internet maturity is 5% or lower.

I feel your pain.

Coraline - Lost City · May 2010

Meh, Ive seen barbs in factions I have been on, get constantly flirted with by girls. They chat them up and bat their pretty e-lashes and then get them hooked to w/e and just ask them to farm for anything and then once they helped them, they never speak to them again.

Some tips, know what everyone needs beforehand. If you get to the boss, and something drops, and you ask who needs it and someone could just say they need it so they can sell it. It might still happen if you ask them before the run, but its less of a chance of them scamming you.

Also, you could start the parties and make them free. That way you can collect the drops and bank them at the end. That way you don't have to look at the list and be like 'whoever has the aure's can you drop them?" and then someone keeps a few of them to sell.

I know the guild im in are having some trust issues. A lot of older members have helped farm gear for people and then only have them to turn around an quit after or leave guild. This has made it so its harder for newer people to farm because they need help and not everyone is a tank/ep. However, I think you can still spot who to trust or not to. If you see people offering to help other people...ask them to join runs with you.

I tend not to trust people who I see them going on runs for people and then once they get their mat, they book it and don't help with other people's mat. I had a run a few days ago, we must have did like 10 runs for a Back Image for this person..and then when I needed help trying to get a wrist mat..never heard from again and now doing nirvana. So yeah, never helping that guy again.

Waterfal - Sanctuary · May 2010

I only do TT's with friends. I rarely do bh since I hit 80. Only when I see a call coming from my faction for the bh I have I join in when I feel like it.
I hate random squads, too much high lvls that never learned to play their class since they oracle/hypered their way up.

They have no idea how to play their own class and don't know anything about other classes besides what their roles are (if they even know)
I don't play a barb, but a friend of mine does and he's sometimes like: geez.. one quest.. I made 60k and my reapir bill is 110k ^^' and I mean.. that's only a quest x.x

Too much players just run off with the good stuff while leaving the people with the highest bills with the worthless ****. Also they expect you to have certain gear or in my case certain pets.
Too many times I hear LF 80+ ppl to do my fb39!!
People are ignorant. That's my main reason to not join random squads...

Majesta - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Coraline - Lost City wrote: »

I know the guild im in are having some trust issues. A lot of older members have helped farm gear for people and then only have them to turn around an quit after or leave guild.

^-- happens way too much T.T I was so happy when I finally reached a level where I could help other players out with all kinds of stuff (returning a favor you may say, since a lot of high levels helped me out in my lowbie time).
More than once I didn't even get a mere 'thank you for your help' or they just turn around and leave guild, since they got what they wanted.
I've helped a lot of people with all kinds of stuff and I've been screwed over way too many times to help out most random players. Some people really are nice and thankful and it's a joy helping them.. it's the ungrateful batch of players that just **** me off to no end. b:angry
I know it's just a game, but giving your time and effort to help another person out and the person doesnt even say TY... just lovely aint it? b:cry

KissAndKill - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Lyritha - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I do not help people unless they are in my faction or a friend of mine... if I've known them for awhile thats the only reason... random TTs never work out.

Go into the "Failed BH" thread, and you'll have seen someone complain about a guy who wouldn't heal any of the squad because they weren't in his/her faction.

Please use your "excuse" wisely.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · May 2010

These was what i call by different point of view ? b:surrender
I guess these also why . . some people just want to go full solo for the whole game.

By the way, it's never hurt to help someone who helping you . .

KissAndKill - Dreamweaver · May 2010

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

These was what i call by different point of view ? b:surrender
I guess these also why . . some people just want to go full solo for the whole game.

By the way, it's never hurt to help someone who helping you . .

And then there are people who don't help in the first place, since they don't know you at all. I was picked by WolfStar by a wolfstar member suddenly, I wasn't actually looking for a guild.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · May 2010

KissAndKill - Dreamweaver wrote: »

And then there are people who don't help in the first place, since they don't know you at all. I was picked by WolfStar by a wolfstar member suddenly, I wasn't actually looking for a guild.

And i dunno how many times i have decline faction invitation . . b:chuckle
I am even made my own faction so no one can invite me.

What i mean by help someone who helping you is just like op thread case, he was cheated a lot after helping people.

Annalyse - Heavens Tear · May 2010

I got asked for help once by a friend that was with a random TT group because they needed a cleric. I agreed because it was a friend, and I like to be able to help. I assumed the others were people from his faction or friends of his; didn't find out until later that they were randoms.

After burning tons of my charm and losing res scrolls and exp at some failed Wurlord attempts, I was starting to get pretty sick of the group and was happy when it was finally done.... only to find out I would walk away with nothing. The guy who was banking gave out things according to need (meaning himself and a couple others took everything), leaving me with no mats and my friend with nothing as well, not even mirages.

Since then I have never done a random group TT and I never will again. I have also never gone on TTs with friends, if the others members were not people I knew. I do a lot of faction runs, and that is it.

You can't trust strangers in this game. Sometimes not even friends. It's sad, but that's how it is, and you have to choose to either risk being ripped off or limit your runs by only going with trusted friends.

BeingHope - Harshlands · May 2010

b:surrender I've had horrible experiences with TT too. I'll just say this to clarify but I'm a teen though I do listen to people. For me, since I'm a cleric I get asked for TT a lot right? Thats an advantage and a disadvantage

Theres been so many TT groups I've been in where I lose more than half of my exp going back and forth because the person was too lazy to add in another cleric and where they all scream at me for dying when they were the ones to rush in and kill everybody. I've been called a failure when a 8x BM ran into the boss and AoE killed everybody.

It sucks b:surrender so I haven't done TT since then xD

Centetric - Lost City · May 2010

the player base is made out of human beings hence the continuous amount of greed and betrayal.
being a cleric i have to buy a a bunch of mana pots again after using BB in TT a whole bunch of times xD.
When i dont get compensated it can get aggravating but thats the price i pay for playing with random people i dont know in over the web.

BIaze_ - Heavens Tear · May 2010

any barb that complains about heavy repair bills after a TT really dose need a smack across the head abit harder, these days it tends to be us fist bms who tank TTs and all i can say is, 3-2 squad mode earlier i tanked all bosses apart from emp and only a 36k repair bill and 20k of that was just on claws alone. maybe if you repaired more often rather than keep letting it build up it dosnt feel so bad.

to me it just feels likes barbs are using that excuse to get more money out of people because they let there repair bill build up. enough of the crazy talk about high repair fees all you barbs and be happy with what you get. if you dont like it, go find other people who you can abuse for more money.

/endrant

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · May 2010

BIaze_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

any barb that complains about heavy repair bills after a TT really dose need a smack across the head abit harder, these days it tends to be us fist bms who tank TTs and all i can say is, 3-2 squad mode earlier i tanked all bosses apart from emp and only a 36k repair bill and 20k of that was just on claws alone. maybe if you repaired more often rather than keep letting it build up it dosnt feel so bad.

to me it just feels likes barbs are using that excuse to get more money out of people because they let there repair bill build up. enough of the crazy talk about high repair fees all you barbs and be happy with what you get. if you dont like it, go find other people who you can abuse for more money.

/endrant

What op thread saying is not receive his share mats for so many times . .
And bad player behavior here that was so greedy, heartless, and likes to talk whatever they want without thinking how other people feel. So that how you feel to a barbarian ?

Black_wolve - Sanctuary · May 2010

The point is way to many on this game get selfish and gready and then like what i had in my faction i had some who we helped out a lot as soon as they got what they wanted they left .

I dont care what class a person is most dont know there class ever sense hyper etc came out it's a race to see who reach 100 first. When the 2 new class came out i couldn't believe how much thease player's spent on thease new char.

But also as t-t goes there always looking for a barb why maybe because barb's have more it then any other class but yet i love when some players say that barb's should be slaped for complaing for repair bill's .Grow up

When i was a low level i very rare ask for help unless i new a squad killing same thing such as a boss or mobs. i masterd all my barb skills but 2 the 100 skill's now learning my sage skills but i can say i worked very hard on the barb i know my barb i started befor bh's and hypers where put in the game.

But yet some so eager to hurry and rush get the mats some will give those puppy dog eyes and make the barb etc come and a soon as there finish bang you get is a bad repair bill loose exp etc for you trouble.

And yes this game attracted more kid's i seen some at age 8 year's old on here talking sex,bad mouthing etc but u know what would be funny if there was a enternet police decides to play and catch a kid then what pwi would make hot line's all over the web just like xbox live just did with player's making racest commit's threats etc .

That may happen in time you never know who is playing on the other side of the screen.
As i said i even said this in world chat i refuse to help any more in a t-t run unless i know who i have in the squad first if i dont like the squad i will leave i done that to in t-t runs to left them there barb less then 5 min later they go on wc asking for another barb.

I even done it in f c c to i dont need to get used and abused yelled at swore etc.Just because i made a lv 100 barb dont make me a god i can die,loose exp loose charm and get repair bills .

I realy think PWI should change the tearm's of service make it stricker also make it more safe for younger player's.

Make it like mythwars or eudemon's or any other game that has rules i realy think that the reason is they figure if i cant get away with it on those games i can on pwi a lot of saying this as long as there making money they dont care now this is what i been told over and over from many players on pwi.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · May 2010

I only do runs with trusted friends for money runs or with faction mates for either money or called runs. I like making money, but I also like to help gear-up my faction mates.

Sometimes I'll help a friend who needs a lowbie HH run, only on the terms that my friend gets what they need and I generally don't need anything... if there are too many randoms I just won't run.

I don't do nirvana profit runs... those parties are usually filled with randoms and since you don't get to see what chests actually open, I won't bother.

Flyssa - Sanctuary · May 2010

Yup, sounds about right. Playing a high demand character is almost a lose lose situation. People will always complain because they can't find a good barb or cleric but when we do decide to help them we usually get nothing more than a bunch of rants from the less significant classes.
Luckily I don't get stuck with a big repair bill like the barbarians do but later on in a cleric's life mp upkeep can end up being just as expencive.
Don't complain people. Respect your barbs and clerics. Our job is alot harder, more expencive and important than yours. Unless you want to be doing your TT's without us then learn to respect us because when it comes down to it, good clerics and barbs aren't easily replaced and you will be a failure without us. b:angry
Don't leave Perfect World because of it though.
Tanks and healers are taken for granted in all games. I've played healing classes in at least 3 other games. I haven't raised my cleric up high enough in this one to be 100% sure that this will happen yet, but from my previous gaming experience, it usually does.

magerocks · May 2010

Black_wolve - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have to say this and please let's be adult's and young adult's and not make this in to a flame war.

As myself i have to say this this game is for fun it's not real life it's for fun not sit there make fun of other's swearing at each other and making racest remarks to each other.

I seen way to much on here and no wonder some are moving on to other game's and quiting this game to much stuff going on .I go in to a t-t a person ask me ok we need a barb as kind as iam i join according to the rules as every one knows after t-t the banker does a even split to every one that help's on gear's for armor,wepon's etc also helps for repair's .

And i realy have to say this is not cheap for a barb i dont care what any one say's it's not . And i realized being a high level has a price now that some see what lv i become they all ask me help me all the time wich i dont mind if im not busy.

Any how i go in to this t-t after the run i did mention that i dont do t-t much they ask why i stated i been ripped off to many times and stuck with a masive repair bill while the rest make coin on the mat's and they seem to think it's funny well it's not.

I noticed some do take advange of high level's well when i started i did most of my quest solo and some quest i did in squads but either way i never took advange of any one.

As some know when we started there was no bh so leveling was harder then.In any case back to the subject i got upset over this and simple said im sorry i cant help you guys any more then a friend pm's me said what happen so i told him then i get a wisper from another player yelling at me i said omg who are you according to this group they told him i didn't want anything omg i love it when people put word's in my mouth.

So my point is this after getting a letter back from a gm and told me i have to becareful who i squad with this time i squad with some one i did know and still get yelled at plus no mats plus going through hell just because i sat there took time away tanked boss used up a charm plus had to do repairs only to ask where's my share.

I was told this last year so again does it matter who you know or dont know you will get some who will leave u dry.

Now this is becomming a issue and they wonder why a lot of barbs wont tank or do t-t's or anything im not the only barb been through this trust me.

And then after all this i got a couple mats for my trouble after a friend stood up and said something.

So what has this become greed,selfish,acting rude,nasty etc this is how some act on here omg grow up i bet they dont have to many friends.

I making this clear i will not do any t-t at all unless the group is fair to share mats at the end if i get burnt i hope they understand this i will not help them again.

I just dont understand why there's so much greed on here and the bad mouthing swearing the talking sex etc treating others like **** i never seen a game like this.

when i played myth wars and eudemons at least there and this is a fact if you where caught swearing in wc or common chat you would get a warning next time u loose 36 hour's of no chat and then if the person decides to do it again you would have to pay 2 mil at a npc to use all chats again.

So now i cleard some things off my chest and iam just making a point it's not nice to hurt other's or burn other's to sit there act like mr tuff guy and yell at some one u dont know for real.

My motto is treat those how u like to be treated you treat them wrong you get it back the same way .

So who has a commit on this forum who has been burnt in t-t or mistreated and by all means open up i know iam not the only one.

I feel ya man..I respect barbs soo much and without them we wont have a tank to take on very tough bosses. I hate to say this but your going to have to deal with them because the internet is full of e-thugs and jerks who are anonymous and can say or do whatever he/she wants. Hey, if u need a cleric i can always help ya with repairs or whatever b:victory

magerocks · May 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

I only do runs with trusted friends for money runs or with faction mates for either money or called runs. I like making money, but I also like to help gear-up my faction mates.

Sometimes I'll help a friend who needs a lowbie HH run, only on the terms that my friend gets what they need and I generally don't need anything... if there are too many randoms I just won't run.

I don't do nirvana profit runs... those parties are usually filled with randoms and since you don't get to see what chests actually open, I won't bother.

^^This is what you should do. I 100% agree with this one. When doing instances runs do them with your best friends or people you know very well.

magerocks · May 2010

Kittennice - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I get flamed for being an axe veno <.<
though I can tank -.-
^^But now its rare...errr.. maybe

Taken advantage of?
Yes, though I evade it as much as possible.

Haven't done a TT or even a bh in a while.
Random low levels I find to be awesome.
Most high levels are stuck up now.

It's mostly kids on the internet, sadly. And those that aren't kids, I feel ashamed for.
Internet maturity is 5% or lower.

I feel your pain.

Ughhhh sadly this is soooooo 100% fact!!!!

SaintDominic - Sanctuary · May 2010

BIaze_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

any barb that complains about heavy repair bills after a TT really dose need a smack across the head abit harder, these days it tends to be us fist bms who tank TTs and all i can say is, 3-2 squad mode earlier i tanked all bosses apart from emp and only a 36k repair bill and 20k of that was just on claws alone. maybe if you repaired more often rather than keep letting it build up it dosnt feel so bad.

to me it just feels likes barbs are using that excuse to get more money out of people because they let there repair bill build up. enough of the crazy talk about high repair fees all you barbs and be happy with what you get. if you dont like it, go find other people who you can abuse for more money.

/endrant

Before you comment..plz read his post again because you totally misunderstood his post. b:bye

ACLucius - Archosaur · May 2010

You're problem is exactly why most of the time, if I do not do the banking, I want the tank to bank. I've had bad experiences with all classes, but the least from Barbs and Clerics. Just remember though that even if someone is on your friends list or even in your faction, it doesn't mean they are a nice person.

However, I will say that compared to a community from a MMOFAS (fast action shooter, though basically it was a FPS with a lot of glitter to it), this community is a utopia. In that game, you are either a noob, or you are a kid with no life who plays all the time. They will find any way to make an insult against you if you beat them, and about as much they will try if they beat you. I know that I would stick to only using certain moves within what they call K-style, those being the very basics, but I was more effective with them than the most advanced moves. Although it was a very fun game, the community is what made me leave after three years. If it hadn't been for the gameplay, I wouldn't have stayed longer than three weeks probably.

Anyways, this community for the most part has no real problems compared to my past experiences. It's just you have to be careful who you decide to do these runs with.

buttercupcruella · May 2010

BIaze_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »

any barb that complains about heavy repair bills after a TT really dose need a smack across the head abit harder, these days it tends to be us fist bms who tank TTs and all i can say is, 3-2 squad mode earlier i tanked all bosses apart from emp and only a 36k repair bill and 20k of that was just on claws alone. maybe if you repaired more often rather than keep letting it build up it dosnt feel so bad.

to me it just feels likes barbs are using that excuse to get more money out of people because they let there repair bill build up. enough of the crazy talk about high repair fees all you barbs and be happy with what you get. if you dont like it, go find other people who you can abuse for more money.

/endrant

Thank God!

KnaveslLobo - Heavens Tear · May 2010

as for swearing and the sex talk it is in the tos its failed GMs that allows it nothing more
as for griefing and harassment again failed GMs

i have been GM/CM/Admin on many games but here its a emtpy title nothing more
they collect a paycheck and dont care and have no pride

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