Do i seem like a fail cleric?

Paramedic - Dreamweaver · May 2010

plume shell ftw

also u may consider adding few lvls to purify if shell /pre-ih dont work for u too well

Engeli - Sanctuary · May 2010

u shouldn't worry

i have also been in some "horrible" squads, where all went wrong. i don't think ur a fail cleric.

Aya__ - Heavens Tear · May 2010

1) that bh was doable with squad you had, at least theoretically. bh 51 can be done with a pair of lvl 63 axe bm and arcane cleric, so squad with more dds only makes its easier
2) tank = someone who tanks. you dont need barb for wyvern, though barb in squad could boost your hp and would probably have more hp than bm. barbs for my bh 51 i could heal with ih, bms needed bb for damage reduction
3) i was VERY squishy at 60s, so squishy wyvern killed me in bb few times (yes, that meant squad wipe and coming back from town). to survive respawned walkers i used genie and lot of pots... on the other hand - i was (and sill am) squishy because i put most points in mag, which means stronger heals and attacks
4) squad wipe and /or not getting quest done doesnt always mean someone failed. sometimes your squad just cant do this because of their classess, builds or gears. sometimes you dont know each other, arent used to each others styles and that means your overall performance isnt good. and sometimes boss is just damn lucky and hits max damage 3 times in a row b:surrender

VerenKaunis - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Grego - Raging Tide wrote: »

Seems u are competent despite of a low cleric company. I applaud you, congratulations ...

Wow, I feel so enthused that someone is congratulating me for being competent (ie, not failing/being average) at my class. Says a lot about the quality of players when being average is worthy of recognition.

Grego - Raging Tide wrote: »

I correct myself, u are a regular white guy BM, that Cleric was a really good one, believe me.
U maybe not aware of all of the Cleric must to deal while a BM is tanking. For u it is simple to say: -I tanked!-, but it not so simple for my class.

Yep, every single time I joined a random BH51 squad with a random cleric whom I had never met before then the cleric was so amazing that he was able to keep my fail **** alive at Wyvern. Yep, even that one guy who spent half the time healing himself when he was at full HP and was at least 20 seconds late with purify. Oh, and that guy who had level 5 IH was pretty damn pro too. /sarcasm

In addition to a level 71 BM, I have a level 67 cleric. I have had no problems keeping BMs alive at Wyvern as long as the BM has decent gear. Decent gear being current level and non-NPC. As long as the boss won't kill them in 2 hits (which Wyvern can't do to a decently geared 6x BM or barb) then the only difference between a barb and BM tanking is that you need to be faster with purify when there's a BM.

Yes, it is that simple for 'your' class. b:bye

Fenora - Sanctuary · May 2010

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

my question has been answered. Thank you all . My cleric is obviously messed up due to the lack of vit, so i will scarp my cleric and start a tank. Thank you again for you replies

your cleric is not messed up, i have not put anything into vit. im pure magic and i make up for what i lack in shards and gear.

Solae - Raging Tide · May 2010

i'm also a pure mag cleric, like fenora
i shard and only buy gear with pdef or hp/vit , but i still have only 1.6k unbuffed hp
i'm levl 64, so i'm pretty close to yur levl
its not that yur a fail cleric
once yu do a few runs, it'll come easier as yu know the layout more
i think i've died only once on a bh51 run, and thats when nobody told me that they didnt kill rankar or fushma, and otld me to meet them at wyv >.<;
and yu do not need to bb on wyv
if there are 2 clerics, let one bb and one IH the tank, but other than that, there really shouldnt be a reason for yu to bb
especially if yu have VERY little hp that yu'll die if yu get hit, bb or not (but hten again, i really doubt yu have under 1k hp)

don't delete yur cleric, yur not a fail

MystiMonk - Sanctuary · May 2010

This sounds awfully familiar to me as this sound identical to a BH51 I did.There wasn't a Barb only 1 BM,3Venos with golems,1Wizard.I was told to BB by the Wizard so I did only to see me die.It would of been nice to have 1 more Cleric instead of 3 Venos.

I would say in case of the Op it was the squad as they didn't need 2 Venos another Cleric would of been better.Don't blame yourself.

Grego - Raging Tide · May 2010

VerenKaunis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Wow, I feel so enthused that someone is congratulating me for being competent (ie, not failing/being average) at my class. Says a lot about the quality of players when being average is worthy of recognition.

Yep, every single time I joined a random BH51 squad with a random cleric whom I had never met before then the cleric was so amazing that he was able to keep my fail **** alive at Wyvern. Yep, even that one guy who spent half the time healing himself when he was at full HP and was at least 20 seconds late with purify. Oh, and that guy who had level 5 IH was pretty damn pro too. /sarcasm

In addition to a level 71 BM, I have a level 67 cleric. I have had no problems keeping BMs alive at Wyvern as long as the BM has decent gear. Decent gear being current level and non-NPC. As long as the boss won't kill them in 2 hits (which Wyvern can't do to a decently geared 6x BM or barb) then the only difference between a barb and BM tanking is that you need to be faster with purify when there's a BM.

Yes, it is that simple for 'your' class. b:bye

Hehe, that was funny, thanks, now give me a real proof for all what you said is true please.

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear · May 2010

MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »

This sounds awfully familiar to me as this sound identical to a BH51 I did.There wasn't a Barb only 1 BM,3Venos with golems,1Wizard.I was told to BB by the Wizard so I did only to see me die.It would of been nice to have 1 more Cleric instead of 3 Venos.

I would say in case of the Op it was the squad as they didn't need 2 Venos another Cleric would of been better.Don't blame yourself.

lets just say the extra hp clerics get from barbs is a life saver(if their hp is lower than 2000 unbuffed). I have only had bb used on me once, and that one time i realized that the amount of hp I have, bb cannot regain the amount that I lost from the aoe fast enough. I stay alive for about a minute...but then after a while thats it, but i change my mind im keeping my cleric

Joshcja - Sanctuary · May 2010

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Okay so i was doing a BH51 today and we were trying to get wyvern. I am usually very uneasy when in a squad that does not hav a tank( i dont know if its just me). The squad had 2 venos (no hercs if ur wondering) a bm, the cleric which is me and an archer. The first time we tried I caught aggro and died and then they all died. I came back rezzed everyone, then i died because i was trying to stay close to the squad. Qhen i came bac agen, I whispered to one of the members and a who is a friend of mine if we should just stop now and continue when we have a tank, no reply from her. (NB: i am a very squishy cleric, even spamming IH doesnt save me sometime).
When i came back to the cave the second time some walkers respawned and i couldnt take them on by myself. The bm died while coming to escort me, so she had to go bac to town then come back to cave. At this time one of the venos left because it was too much. Me and the bm made our way up to the last veno and the archer. When we finally made it to the boss we wanted which was wyvern, the archer said do i know how to bb..i paused...then i said yes. He said okay we have to do that or else we die. I told him i dont think it will work.

(when i said that, at the same time i remembered when i was in a TT 2-1 and the aoe of one of the bosses still killed me while another cleric was bb'ing, it is not that the bb doesnt work. It is that i know my char and i know that i do not have enough hp to do bb. When i say that i mean even with bb it doesnt not regain hp fast enough to allow me to "stay alive". I simply have to little hp.)

Maybe i was dumb and should have said no, i will IH BM and IH myslef in between so that i can stay alive, but as usual i followed what ppl said and the party wiped for the second time.

The question is: Am i a fail cleric based on what you have read, I need ur advice, because I am seriously contemplating scrapping cleric and maybe even starting a tank. I already have a good knowledge of what a tank is and the build i should follow. If your convinced that I am not a fail cleric, then I will continue as one.

bm's are tanks

*facepalm*

and 2 things

1- you can ih from outside wyrvens aoe purify to if you actually maxed it

2- you need phys ornaments since i presume your useing maq ones...no you do need phys def now go suck it up and buy a pair

GenericBrand - Archosaur · May 2010

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

bm's are tanks

*facepalm*

and 2 things

1- you can ih from outside wyrvens aoe purify to if you actually maxed it

2- you need phys ornaments since i presume your useing maq ones...no you do need phys def now go suck it up and buy a pair

Yes, it is possible for them to act as tank, but I feel more at ease when there's a barbarian tanking.

If memory serves me, even with purify maxed for current level, I wasn't out of range of AOE until 65+. Then again, tanks liked to turn wyvern around and I learned to stand off to the side rather than behind wyvern in order to heal/purify the tank; behind always puts me within range of AOE b:surrender

Raubles - Archosaur · May 2010

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

bm's are tanks

*facepalm*

and 2 things

1- you can ih from outside wyrvens aoe purify to if you actually maxed it

2- you need phys ornaments since i presume your useing maq ones...no you do need phys def now go suck it up and buy a pair

1-Purify max lvl is at lvl 74...
2-Agree just get some equipment with phys def and u will do it well u dont really need put points in vit.

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

bm's are tanks

*facepalm*

and 2 things

1- you can ih from outside wyrvens aoe purify to if you actually maxed it

2- you need phys ornaments since i presume your useing maq ones...no you do need phys def now go suck it up and buy a pair

1. BM'S ARE NOT TANKS, but they ARE second in line when it comes to surviving longer, right after barbs, and they can be build to be tanks. I do not want a barb only for tanking but for the fact that they can hold aggro and that they have skills specifically for holding aggro/ If a BM has any skills made for holding aggro someone please correct me.

2. I know i can IH outside wyverns aoe and purify and still survive (i mentioned earlier on in the thread that i maxed all my important skills including IH) and I knew I could manage a bm with my IH because I have done it before.

*face palm*
3. If you think you are giving me advice you have wasted a few minutes out of your life.
The little hp that I get from phys ornaments will not do me any good without a good amount of vit.

k?thxbye! b:bye

RedsRose - Lost City · May 2010

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1. BM'S ARE NOT TANKS, but they ARE second in line when it comes to surviving longer, right after barbs, and they can be build to be tanks. I do not want a barb only for tanking but for the fact that they can hold aggro and that they have skills specifically for holding aggro/ If a BM has any skills made for holding aggro someone please correct me.

Um....they can be tanks just fine...even more so at higher levels. At lower levels will depend on bosses but for the most part they can tank quite a bit b:surrender

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear · May 2010

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

Um....they can be tanks just fine...even more so at higher levels. At lower levels will depend on bosses but for the most part they can tank quite a bit b:surrender

:O bm's ARE tanks!??!!? :OOOOO i take it back b:surrender

Joshcja - Sanctuary · May 2010

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

1. BM'S ARE NOT TANKS, but they ARE second in line when it comes to surviving longer, right after barbs, and they can be build to be tanks. I do not want a barb only for tanking but for the fact that they can hold aggro and that they have skills specifically for holding aggro/ If a BM has any skills made for holding aggro someone please correct me.

2. I know i can IH outside wyverns aoe and purify and still survive (i mentioned earlier on in the thread that i maxed all my important skills including IH) and I knew I could manage a bm with my IH because I have done it before.

*face palm*
3. If you think you are giving me advice you have wasted a few minutes out of your life.
The little hp that I get from phys ornaments will not do me any good without a good amount of vit.

k?thxbye! b:bye

do..you..have..phys..orns if no then you can have 10k hp and still be squishy as hell

bms have a aggro skill its called double click the boss wearign fists or my personal fav double spark

and oops forgot purify didnt max till 74 >.< ty for the reminder

its weird that when barbs die on bosses my non tank bm self lives hint wyrven is pure phys and bm's have a skill called "alter marrow phys"

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear · May 2010

Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »

do..you..have..phys..orns if no then you can have 10k hp and still be squishy as hell

bms have a aggro skill its called double click the boss wearign fists or my personal fav double spark

and oops forgot purify didnt max till 74 >.< ty for the reminder

its weird that when barbs die on bosses my non tank bm self lives hint wyrven is pure phys and bm's have a skill called "alter marrow phys"

hmm i think I know what has happened here..you have mistakened this thread to be an insult to BM'S? or that is what I understand from your your posts. All of a sudden this has become about bm's. The competence of the BM in the squad was not the one that was questioned.. I..ME -POINTS AT SELF- would rather work with a BARB! if you gotta problem with it, take it up with my back while I turn it to you. Oh and your skill "double click the boss wearing fists"
scenario:

LFS NEED BM WITH FISTS/BARB bh51 ...-.-

I guess we have alot of fist BM'S in PWI O_O

let me repeat..I rather work with a tank as my tank than a bm as my tank...unless the bm was built as a tank b:victory

I agree with the phys horns thing b:surrender

tyandgudnite b:bye

Teeki - Dreamweaver · May 2010

Aww, dont ditch your cleric, they're really fun to play! Everyone runs into fail squads and your squad sounds like a huge fail squad lol. Just keep chuggin away at the levels and if you find that you are having survivability "issues" then add some vit to your char's stats. I myself have 70 base vit at my current level b:cute

Sewje - Harshlands · May 2010

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

lol yes that is true, but if i will continue with my cleric. I dont think i will be doing anything without a tank until i can get some more hp, except for bh39. I hav done bh39 countless times without barb and survived. The mobs in there dont hit me as hard.

Yea i started a cleric its not easy at all.. But even in my BH 69 squads we have party wipes.. And if they complain at your healing or you died.. Leave squad **** holes wouldn't understand.

Grego - Raging Tide · May 2010

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

hmm i think I know what has happened here..you have mistakened this thread to be an insult to BM'S? or that is what I understand from your your posts. All of a sudden this has become about bm's. The competence of the BM in the squad was not the one that was questioned.. I..ME -POINTS AT SELF- would rather work with a BARB! if you gotta problem with it, take it up with my back while I turn it to you. Oh and your skill "double click the boss wearing fists"
scenario:

LFS NEED BM WITH FISTS/BARB bh51 ...-.-

I guess we have alot of fist BM'S in PWI O_O

let me repeat..I rather work with a tank as my tank than a bm as my tank...unless the bm was built as a tank b:victory

Okay, I sense there is a missunderstading cause of my first comment. Sorry, i will explain myself better this time.

Yes Cooky,... BMs are good tanks indeed, but not for BBing them against Wyvern specially if u are the only one cleric in a squad due to u need to debuff them with purify too and u cant do this while BBing. So u may go on a traditional way (IH-Purify-IH-WS-etc) in this case and it works always well. And that's what I wanted to u to understand: it cant be done with squad u got. U know that.

I have tested this 2 days ago and this is my results:

I got squad with lvl 81 BM who tank(lowest lvl would not to come after explain it), paid!!, lvl 80 sin, and lvl 52 Barb we went for BH51. But i expect it can to extrapolate results for lowest lvls.

I used BB on all 3 bosses, on Fugma was great even when we have been beaten from multiples mobs at a same time. The same occurred on Rankar, this time i have luck he dont cancel my BB corse that can happen. Now at Wyvern while BBing i watch as BMs HP fall, and at 1/3 of BM HP he said me: if he die i will pay him a double..., so i abort my BBing and come to traditional method so its ended well. Conclusions are obvious.

Then I went again with lvl 70 Barb and sin, lvl 6x Wzd and Veno,and lvl51 barb doing his FB. I have had the same results, but this time i cant save a Barb life from Wyvern, so they blame on me, before asked me if i was drugged or something, before the last member was killed, i can res a Barb, but he immediately leave us, so squad wipes. I conclude for this case that u can use BB on Wyvern if there is a second Cleric to assist u, but i guess the chance to success is low. Also people dont react well when u fail on BB. LoL!!

We learn the game every day, Bewell!!

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear · May 2010

let me just put it this way... If i had never BB'ed like my subconcious had told me to...the squad wouldnt have wiped. Being the only cleric in the squad, and knowing the limits of my defense if i had IH i would have had time to keep the BM alive as well as myself alive wen i was getting aoe'd. I did not have the barb buff so my life was significantly lower than usual. I realize now that the squad just wasnt set up for success. Two venos taking on every mob and losing aggro, then i try to heal them then i get aggro. The bm is busy killing other mobs, im running for my life. The dd stole aggro and by then its too late becuz im alredy dead ...-.-. Its not easy being in a squad made up for classes that cant hld aggro and keep stealing it. Sure bm's can tank...who said they couldnt, but I would rather a high lvl BM be in the squad or a second cleric with a 60+ bm if i couldnt find a barb. I still want to add the fact that if I ever catch aggro a BARB would be able to use his super duper aggro taker (flesh ream) and take that bugger off me in half a second.

Grego - Raging Tide · May 2010

Cookie_Doe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

let me just put it this way... If i had never BB'ed like my subconcious had told me to...the squad wouldnt have wiped. Being the only cleric in the squad, and knowing the limits of my defense if i had IH i would have had time to keep the BM alive as well as myself alive wen i was getting aoe'd. I did not have the barb buff so my life was significantly lower than usual. I realize now that the squad just wasnt set up for success. Two venos taking on every mob and losing aggro, then i try to heal them then i get aggro. The bm is busy killing other mobs, im running for my life. The dd stole aggro and by then its too late becuz im alredy dead ...-.-. Its not easy being in a squad made up for classes that cant hld aggro and keep stealing it. Sure bm's can tank...who said they couldnt, but I would rather a high lvl BM be in the squad or a second cleric with a 60+ bm if i couldnt find a barb. I still want to add the fact that if I ever catch aggro a BARB would be able to use his super duper aggro taker (flesh ream) and take that bugger off me in half a second.

That is, you gave the target. BM's have awesome AoE for recover aggro and keep Cleric safe, even if there is a Barb present.b:victoryb:bye

Do i seem like a fail cleric?

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