Rate my build choice, etc.

ritsuya wrote: »

"I hope you guys can respect a true pure build."

your picture itself tells us you have no idea on the class your playing.

its MANDATORY for strength, otherwise your just a little baby gettin owned all the time

the reason you kill some 45-50s is because they most likely suck

but when you emphasized some, it means oyu die in 2-3 hits most likely, if not being crited on

-smh

Rated_G - Raging Tide wrote: »

Wow... The next time you decide you want to attempt to verbally "bash" someone I strongly suggest you consider taking some grammar lessons beforehand hun. b:chuckle

Oh, and I believe there is something wrong with your vision as well. b:surprised Poor thing...

Assassins do not require much, if any, strength to be successful. You should really do some research before you try to "inform" a person of something about which, you obviously know nothing.

Assassins are meant to swiftly deal a decent amount of damage. The aim is to get in there, get the job done, and quickly move on. Assassins are not meant to have an abundance of strength. Enough strength to use a bow, IF you even decide you'd like to use a bow for strategic or luring purposes, is all you might need to consider. If your skills are good enough and your tactics are thoroughly thought out, strength is of little to no importance. With a considerable amount of dexterity it's rare that one would even get hit by a physical attack anyhow, so adding points to strength doesn't make much sense.

*ahem* O-w-n-ed b:pleased Go somewhere else with your sad excuse for KBW skills. b:bye

Linwiz - Lost City wrote: »

Rank 8 Armor only have a level requirement, it has no stat requirements, but still... your la you NEED strength to wear your armor

EDIT: At the poster above me you kinda fail in that reasoning, w/o decent armor what are you? and the way evasion works sucks anyway.... so having lots of it means nothing, oh and there is this magic thing called MAGIC that never misses just thought you might want to know

ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »

Sorry, but yes Str is required for all classes as we need armor. Let's assume you keep going at this pace. at 50, you will start doing BH39, including Farren. Now, Farren would hit me hard at that level, and even with some Vit in there, I still got over half my HP down just from his AoE and gear that had the most resistance I could at the level. Farren will more than likely just 1 shot you from AoE alone, Rank and Wyvern definitely will, and you will just be murdered by more bosses as you progress further up. Once you start doing PvP at near end game, every class that hits you will kill you. You think Barbs are difficult for Assassins now? They will still murder you, and your damage will not be as much as you think.

Your damage with Crescent Thorn Daggers will be 1105-1571.
Pure Dex build (1 Str 4 Dex every level) will be 1029-1462.

You will be doing about 100 damage more, and that is before resistance. I'm open to a lot of builds, and even some of those experimental ones like the axe Cleric. But your build will fail out, and you will not do well at all. On top of all of this, at 60, you will have 1599 HP before any gear, and all you can add in stones is 6 citrines. Ornaments and robes will not give much HP with their extra stats, and you will have extremely low resistance.

Sorry, but you won't be successful with this build. If you think you will, come to Archosaur server, get up to my level, and we will see how well you do. Better yet, go up against a Wizard in 7x when you are the same level. My guess is he will 1 shot you.

ACLucius - Archosaur wrote: »

Deaden Nerves will save you once and at level 10 has about a 3 minute cooldown. Second Wind and Tree of Protection have 60 second cooldowns, and considering you have minimal Vit, even with Life Powder your regeneration rate is 12.5/second in battle mode. Blood Paint at 60 will give you about 25/hit on mobs, and much less on other players.

By the way, magic doesn't miss. When a skill is interrupted (as can happen with melee skills as well), that is not missing. If you are talking about Focused Mind, a miss counts as 0 damage, where Focused Mind dodges for 1 damage regardless of melee or magic. Now yes, an Assassin who gets the first attack on squishy classes will more than likely win. You still have the problem of a Blademaster and Barb, or worse yet a magic class who gets the first attack on you. At least full Dex builds can survive a few magic attacks, but you will just get murdered. Don't forget, they too have stuns and sleep skills.

And if you even think about equipping a bow against magic classes, I'm sorry to be such an **** about this, but you are a complete idiot. Assassins have so many movement skills that ever using a bow in PvP except on melee classes who are stunned/frozen is a ridiculous idea. You do far better DPS with daggers and can do better DPA just based on skills.

Now here is where you will find it even worse. Another Assassin with higher stealth and awareness than you, and you plan to fight them without even using armor? You plan to just bash away at a Barb who has tons of health and can easily kill you even with armor? You plan to fight Blademasters who can stunlock you far better and can do higher DPS at your level with fists?

I've already shown you your damage is not nearly enough to make a big dent. At 60, you will be doing the same damage I did at 68, which doesn't say very much as I am a hybrid build. However, I have more equipment to add more stats to help me out than you will. Sorry, it might be a fun experiment, but it will never add up to make enough of a difference to excuse armor. If Kun Kun could attack back, I'd have my money on him.

Rated_G - Raging Tide wrote: »

>_< Why is it that everyone who tries to verbally bash has such horrible grammar? It's somewhat saddening.

Anyway... my reasoning makes perfect sense. My question for you is, have you ever even tried to make a completely pure build such as this one? Without having done so, there is no way that you could possibly know anything about such a build.

Also, have YOU ever heard of something called Second Wind? Or how about Tree of Protection? Deaden Nerve? Blood Paint? Or better yet, Life Powder? They work wonders.

Apparently you're just as ignorant as ritsuya, if not more so. b:spit Magic DOES miss from time to time. In fact, channels can be interrupted multiple times. If another player's main attacks are magic based, Assassins just so happen to have a few skills that are quite useful... such as: stun, bleed, stealth, and a teleportation skill. If, let's say, a Wizard decides to duel an Assassin of this completely pure build, and the Wizard is somehow able to run away to try and attack from afar, all the Assassin would have to do is either equip his bow (as I mentioned earlier) or use stealth, teleportation, then stun.

Rated_G - Raging Tide wrote: »

Yeah... you REALLY need to stop commenting lmao. I said, in response to ACLucius' post, "Most people don't do BH39 alone." I never once said or even implied that Rated solo's Farren. Wtf? But, if he is ever able to solo, I'm sure he will gladly post a video of it for you. b:chuckle

Rated_G - Raging Tide wrote: »

First off I, Rated_G, Rated_PG's girlfriend was the one who left those comments lol. But, I'm on the phone with Rated right now and he would like me to say this in response to your comment:

Rated_PG: I raise my strength attribute to be able to equip the best weapons available for my level. So, therefore what you said about not having new weapons does not pertain to me. My intention all along was to raise my strength for my newest weapons, but any strength after that, I feel, is un-necessary.

A level 29 (4dex-1str pure build) will have 126 dexterity and I, without my armor, will have 140 dexterity and the same exact weapon as them and technically the armor I have equipped right now gives me an additional 12 dexterity therefore, any additional strength they have is useless against me. So, even if they get the first hit on me, I still overall, do more damage than them. I have better accuracy, evasion, etc. I also have the skills to overcome obstacles in many given situations. I'm very creative with the way I fight, especially since I have new skills. For example, I could stealth and jump into a tree and use my bow to deal damage from afar virtually unseen, and when they figure out where I am, I would shadow jump down and stun them. Many people don't take the time to get away from ellusive obstacles to recover their HP. Even though my current armor doesn't have very much defense, there are still armors to get along the way and if I feel they are useful or give an extreme dexterity bonus, I'll be more than happy to raise my strength to use it.

Most 4-1 pure builds don't use the armor rewarded by the NPC's at the Nightfire Altar, rather, they use armors that increase their defense and even though they have higher defense, and are using the same weapons as me, the dexterity bonus the Nightfire armor gives me, in comparison, all of their extra strength and defense from their armor will go to ****.

Assassins are meant to get in and deal massive damage without getting hit. Even with a 4-1, extra strength and defense, bonus I can last longer against less accurate classes. Whenever I reach a higher level, I will have received more stuns and paralyzing skills to do the job I'm meant to do. Even though other classes have stuns and sleeps, nothing beats out a good PKer that can deal massive damage. Even though I will be more squishy than a 4-1 build, my damage and my skill for PVP more than makes up for it. I also, have my genie set up for many different types of fights. Against higher defense classes, I would use my Tangling Mire skill because at this level it reduces their defense by 34% giving me the upper hand to deal more damage because it makes them somewhat squishy. And I have free reign to use the tactic of my choice and high damage skills against them. I would input my Second Wind if I needed it and I'm smart enough to use my stealth if needed as well. Also, I'd use my stealth for creative fighting. At level 59, a defense lowering skill called Headhunt is available and that skill combined with Tangling Mire, the opponents supposed high defense is now screwed.

Out of all of the Assassins who posted to "help" me out, you are the only one who even gave semi-constructive input, but without the knowledge of how I was building my Assassin, it seemed to me like you were under the wrong impression, but I've actually been upping my strength to be able to use the same weapons as the people at my level and not wasting it to use armor, that isn't exactly mandatory for Assassins. Therefore, I will deal a considerably larger amount of damage in comparison.

Thank you for your help, your input was appreciated and thought upon, but as I see it even looking ahead, sacraficing a little bit of defense to deal out a substancially greater amount of damage whilst having greater evasion and accuracy, along with a good head for PVP/PVE, I can win out in most situations.

P.S.
While dealing higher damage I will gain back more HP while using Blood Paint, which beats any crappy added on defense and low health gain from it (it was said that Blood Paint was like our own little healing potion). I'd rather dodge attacks than fully endure them. And I'd also rather have higher accuracy because that way I'll know that I have landed a life-saving K.O. hit. The actual description of the Assassin class says that we bascially thrive off of critical hits and having wasted attribute points on strength for armor, you aren't technically hitting as many criticals as you could be. Assassins are meant to hit, but not get hit. We're meant to assassinate, come out of nowhere deal destructive death blows, and vanish as quickly as we appeared.

By the way, just so everyone knows, I'm not an idiot. I have thoroughly thought this through. t(^-^ t) b:victory

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

the way you worded it IMPLIED he could.

how about you take your own advise and stop posting here hmm? you talk about people bashing yet you do it yourself, albeit with better grammar than most. a high and mighty attitude is also unnecessary on the internet

Trawne - Lost City wrote: »

i in no way tried to demean him. my **** hole attitude is directed at you due to your attitude towards others some of the posts you replied to where people giving their own input and you blew way out of proportion. if you even bothered reading this forum you'ld find i'm pretty damn helpful to people who actually ask for it and arent acting like an **** hole to others. so you can beat on it i will continue to be an **** to you while your BF seems to be ok.

Rated_G - Raging Tide wrote: »

First off I, Rated_G, Rated_PG's girlfriend was the one who left those comments lol. But, I'm on the phone with Rated right now and he would like me to say this in response to your comment:

Rated_PG: I raise my strength attribute to be able to equip the best weapons available for my level. So, therefore what you said about not having new weapons does not pertain to me. My intention all along was to raise my strength for my newest weapons, but any strength after that, I feel, is un-necessary.

A level 29 (4dex-1str pure build) will have 126 dexterity and I, without my armor, will have 140 dexterity and the same exact weapon as them and technically the armor I have equipped right now gives me an additional 12 dexterity therefore, any additional strength they have is useless against me. So, even if they get the first hit on me, I still overall, do more damage than them. I have better accuracy, evasion, etc. I also have the skills to overcome obstacles in many given situations. I'm very creative with the way I fight, especially since I have new skills. For example, I could stealth and jump into a tree and use my bow to deal damage from afar virtually unseen, and when they figure out where I am, I would shadow jump down and stun them. Many people don't take the time to get away from ellusive obstacles to recover their HP. Even though my current armor doesn't have very much defense, there are still armors to get along the way and if I feel they are useful or give an extreme dexterity bonus, I'll be more than happy to raise my strength to use it.

Most 4-1 pure builds don't use the armor rewarded by the NPC's at the Nightfire Altar, rather, they use armors that increase their defense and even though they have higher defense, and are using the same weapons as me, the dexterity bonus the Nightfire armor gives me, in comparison, all of their extra strength and defense from their armor will go to ****.

Assassins are meant to get in and deal massive damage without getting hit. Even with a 4-1, extra strength and defense, bonus I can last longer against less accurate classes. Whenever I reach a higher level, I will have received more stuns and paralyzing skills to do the job I'm meant to do. Even though other classes have stuns and sleeps, nothing beats out a good PKer that can deal massive damage. Even though I will be more squishy than a 4-1 build, my damage and my skill for PVP more than makes up for it. I also, have my genie set up for many different types of fights. Against higher defense classes, I would use my Tangling Mire skill because at this level it reduces their defense by 34% giving me the upper hand to deal more damage because it makes them somewhat squishy. And I have free reign to use the tactic of my choice and high damage skills against them. I would input my Second Wind if I needed it and I'm smart enough to use my stealth if needed as well. Also, I'd use my stealth for creative fighting. At level 59, a defense lowering skill called Headhunt is available and that skill combined with Tangling Mire, the opponents supposed high defense is now screwed.

Out of all of the Assassins who posted to "help" me out, you are the only one who even gave semi-constructive input, but without the knowledge of how I was building my Assassin, it seemed to me like you were under the wrong impression, but I've actually been upping my strength to be able to use the same weapons as the people at my level and not wasting it to use armor, that isn't exactly mandatory for Assassins. Therefore, I will deal a considerably larger amount of damage in comparison.

Thank you for your help, your input was appreciated and thought upon, but as I see it even looking ahead, sacraficing a little bit of defense to deal out a substancially greater amount of damage whilst having greater evasion and accuracy, along with a good head for PVP/PVE, I can win out in most situations.

P.S.
While dealing higher damage I will gain back more HP while using Blood Paint, which beats any crappy added on defense and low health gain from it (it was said that Blood Paint was like our own little healing potion). I'd rather dodge attacks than fully endure them. And I'd also rather have higher accuracy because that way I'll know that I have landed a life-saving K.O. hit. The actual description of the Assassin class says that we bascially thrive off of critical hits and having wasted attribute points on strength for armor, you aren't technically hitting as many criticals as you could be. Assassins are meant to hit, but not get hit. We're meant to assassinate, come out of nowhere deal destructive death blows, and vanish as quickly as we appeared.

By the way, just so everyone knows, I'm not an idiot. I have thoroughly thought this through. t(^-^ t) b:victory