GM response to price change ordeal (not DQ)
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Without scrolling through the pages, and I apologize if it's a repeat question in this thread, but while you're researching any word on the Mirage rate for break downs. This was never announced as part of a patch, but there is clearly a reduction in the number of mirages you get from 3 star items now.
And for those who wonder, yes all items are fully repaired before breaking down. It used be based on the grade of an item you would get a number of mirages. The higher the grade the more mirages. This has without a doubt been reduced. Although I will admit it may have been fixed in the last patch. I have neither seen notes about a fix or tried decomping because I don't want to only get 2 mirages for a level 8x 3 star item again.
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Your right it (changes to the decomposed mirages from equipment ) was never announced , it was found out by the players... Makes you wonder what's next that will be 'coincidently discovered' . I really wonder why they announced the 20% reduction of DQ NPC selling price BEFORE it happened . It does not fit in line with their way of doing things... I wonder the real , true, reason for actually disclosing it before-hand???b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry We love this game STOP RUINING IT !! b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry b:angry
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Your right it (changes to the decomposed mirages from equipment ) was never announced , it was found out by the players... Makes you wonder what's next that will be 'coincidently discovered' . I really wonder why they announced the 20% reduction of DQ NPC selling price BEFORE it happened . It does not fit in line with their way of doing things... I wonder the real , true, reason for actually disclosing it before-hand???
I think it is to get massive QQ in forums, so they can SS it and send to Dev's. b:laugh100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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SyMei - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'm glad I'm Autistic then, I get to point and laugh at you for doing something so horrible.*cough* (not making fun of Autism though, since I REALLY do have it.)
I don't really consider autism to be mentally challenged... they're more like... in a different state of consciousness apart from our typical reality. I know they're not all stereotypical savants, but that's a far step from acting intelligent rather than being so.I post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »Ok, I know my 2 cents might not be worth it, but why don't we make a happy medium?
There's a limit to just about everything in the game: A limit to how much your bank can hold, a limit to how much your inventory can hold (coin wise and item wise) and im pretty sure theres a limit on the supply stash. There's also a limit to how much gold can be traded. If you ever read the gold trade guide it tells you that the most you can deposit is 200,000,000 coins and 9,999 gold into the gold trade account. Npc's have a set price: They will only sell items for X amount, but then again they will only buy items for X amount. Just about the only the that doesnt have a limit is Player to player trade, Catshops, and the Auction house. This is why it's so easy for player's to rip off other players (except in the auction house, where you see everything before you buy)
Let's take 2 items for example: Lunar Glade Insignia- Weapon and Mystical Orb. Both items look exactly the same so it would be easier for someone to get scammed. This is why Im wondering what ppl would think if the devs put a stronger limit on trade items.
They did this in another game (not to be mentioned) And it seemed to work out fine there. Like, there, you cant sell anything over 3k what its worth, or 3k less than what it's worth. Except if they did it here I imagine it would be a lil bit different here. Items with more value would like mounts, charms, weapons, armor, and boutique items would have a wider limit range. While items like herb and mats would have a smaller limit range.
This would NEVER work. Let me explain why:
They would be having to constantly change these limits. Let me give an example. A year ago when there was way less high level characters on any server a specific legendary item (for example misty forest rings) were like 5mil. Before you could get the mold from the mysterious merchant. Now, due to chips and there being a lot more higher levels in the game cycling out of those rings, the price of them is more like 1.5 mil. They would have to constantly be changing the high/low value of items based upon the control number of users for the items. Thats more work than anyone wants to put into a game.Rumble - Harshlands wrote: »Without scrolling through the pages, and I apologize if it's a repeat question in this thread, but while you're researching any word on the Mirage rate for break downs. This was never announced as part of a patch, but there is clearly a reduction in the number of mirages you get from 3 star items now.
And for those who wonder, yes all items are fully repaired before breaking down. It used be based on the grade of an item you would get a number of mirages. The higher the grade the more mirages. This has without a doubt been reduced. Although I will admit it may have been fixed in the last patch. I have neither seen notes about a fix or tried decomping because I don't want to only get 2 mirages for a level 8x 3 star item again.
Thank you
They did this and it sucks. I enjoyed getting 3 stars and getting 3 mirages or more from decomp so that I could try to refine my gears. Essentially they are making the price of mirages go up because there won't be as many in circulation. Again, they think they are controlling inflation but all they are doing is making it worse.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »You mean jumping to conclusions based off incorrect information and stating it as fact which has proven you to be completely wrong.
At least man-up and admit you were wrong and apologize. :P
Give her a freakin break sheesh...b:surrender0 -
OneHottShot - Heavens Tear wrote: »This would NEVER work. Let me explain why:
They would be having to constantly change these limits. Let me give an example. A year ago when there was way less high level characters on any server a specific legendary item (for example misty forest rings) were like 5mil. Before you could get the mold from the mysterious merchant. Now, due to chips and there being a lot more higher levels in the game cycling out of those rings, the price of them is more like 1.5 mil. They would have to constantly be changing the high/low value of items based upon the control number of users for the items.
Mistake #1 is that players should NEVER set the prices. Hell, a player could sell that misty forest ring for 10m if another player was stupid enough to buy it for that much. If you read my 2nd post, I explaned it even further. The players would still have room to make a profit based off the trade limit of that item. And you wouldn't be constantly changing it, cause once it's "set" into the system, it's set.>.<0 -
Rumble - Harshlands wrote: »Without scrolling through the pages, and I apologize if it's a repeat question in this thread, but while you're researching any word on the Mirage rate for break downs. This was never announced as part of a patch, but there is clearly a reduction in the number of mirages you get from 3 star items now.
And for those who wonder, yes all items are fully repaired before breaking down. It used be based on the grade of an item you would get a number of mirages. The higher the grade the more mirages. This has without a doubt been reduced. Although I will admit it may have been fixed in the last patch. I have neither seen notes about a fix or tried decomping because I don't want to only get 2 mirages for a level 8x 3 star item again.
Thank you
Yes, please do look into this. I was very irritated when I repaired high level items and ended up losing money with the decomp because we were given no notice. And it is a ridiculous change. Those 3*s were the only things that helped pay people back for the wine used in BHs and now they are mostly useless.
I guess, though, it is all about money. Giving us less mirages means more people buying dragon orbs, and now they even bring back the pack that gives mirages as top chance instead of tokens. Coincidence?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I *swear* Pure Water used to be 50 not 52. I mean isn't 52 a kind of odd number anyway? Why not a nice round one like 50 >.>
And small healing potions 51 coins...why the 1...the 5% price rise thoery fits there.you thilly gooses... feather set is thuper fabulous! -Bowlinbob
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Qwentomec - Heavens Tear wrote: »I *swear* Pure Water used to be 50 not 52. I mean isn't 52 a kind of odd number anyway? Why not a nice round one like 50 >.>
And small healing potions 51 coins...why the 1...the 5% price rise thoery fits there.
Perhaps they just used a general algorithm and applied it across the board on all/select items rather than individually price them. Would be easier and more efficient that way rather than individually changing each item.
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If you want to talk about water... i think i remember that there were actually some npc's that sold it for 52, and some that sold it for 75 coins.>.<0
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Qwentomec - Heavens Tear wrote: »I *swear* Pure Water used to be 50 not 52. I mean isn't 52 a kind of odd number anyway? Why not a nice round one like 50 >.>
And small healing potions 51 coins...why the 1...the 5% price rise thoery fits there.
Nah, the price has been at 52 for a while now, because I remember thinking the exact same thing when I bought them.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Qwentomec - Heavens Tear wrote: »And small healing potions 51 coins...why the 1...the 5% price rise thoery fits there.
fits, except for the fact that 5% of 50 = 2.50 -
Rumble - Harshlands wrote: »Without scrolling through the pages, and I apologize if it's a repeat question in this thread, but while you're researching any word on the Mirage rate for break downs. This was never announced as part of a patch, but there is clearly a reduction in the number of mirages you get from 3 star items now.
And for those who wonder, yes all items are fully repaired before breaking down. It used be based on the grade of an item you would get a number of mirages. The higher the grade the more mirages. This has without a doubt been reduced. Although I will admit it may have been fixed in the last patch. I have neither seen notes about a fix or tried decomping because I don't want to only get 2 mirages for a level 8x 3 star item again.
Thank you
This issue is discussed at length here: http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=6867220 -
Your right it (changes to the decomposed mirages from equipment ) was never announced , it was found out by the players... Makes you wonder what's next that will be 'coincidently discovered' . I really wonder why they announced the 20% reduction of DQ NPC selling price BEFORE it happened . It does not fit in line with their way of doing things... I wonder the real , true, reason for actually disclosing it before-hand???
We announced it before it happened because we ourselves had the information in advance, which is unfortunately not always the case.
We're not trying to slip these changes past you. Even taking out the moral aspect of it, players are always going to discover these things, and the repercussions of that happening are far worse than the QQ that occurs when we give you advance notice.0 -
Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »ok, what is that candle, seriously? lol
I can't say exactly, except that the players must never, ever possess it, as it would surely tip the balance of power of the GM/player relationship.0 -
I think it's cool that Frankie actually took the time to comment here. I still want to know what the Dev's say about this.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »Give her a freakin break sheesh...b:surrender
It's not a her, it's a him and no. If you read that thread and his attitude and accusations, you shouldn't let him have a break either. GeezI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
frankieraye wrote: »I can't say exactly, except that the players must never, ever possess it, as it would surely tip the balance of power of the GM/player relationship.
oh boo Frankie, just tell us what it does and Ill b:shutup0 -
Linwiz - Lost City wrote: »oh boo Frankie, just tell us what it does and Ill b:shutup
they dont have a banhammer its the ban candleb:shocked[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »they dont have a banhammer its the ban candleb:shocked
He's banned a lot of people then b:shocked
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Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »they dont have a banhammer its the ban candleb:shocked
What do they ban you by pouring hot wax on you b:shockedb:shockedb:shocked
Either way, really, what do they doooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo0 -
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Wow whats with the hair and face shapes b:chuckle That looks hilarious xD
I always wondered.. Why do GMs always look so horrible and hideous? LOL
Sorry to say that! xD But you guys are GMs... can't you guys make your characters look really pretty/handsome or something? ROFL
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sworn to secrecy? that sucks lol we know you know what it does, and I don't thhink there's much that can tip that scale lol, I mean, unless we get out hands on GM gear anyway lolfrankieraye wrote: »I can't say exactly, except that the players must never, ever possess it, as it would surely tip the balance of power of the GM/player relationship.I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
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Correction : Pwdatabase is actually correct - in the actual data.
Pwdatabase is based on the actual data on the client, what it doesn't factor into account is that most NPC's add a 5% fee for buying from them (I assume leftover from a tax based territory system). Therefore the entire problem is the extra fee - note that not all NPC's actually charge the same fee and can be different, and may infact even change.
On a side note: candles increase your movement speed to max (15 m/s) and make you immune to movement debuffs.
EDIT: Candles effect last 1 hour. Movement debuff includes stun etc. (you stop moving and therefore move slower)0
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