PK drops

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

I think you'll have to, you know, actually explain your point here. Because to me, a vulture is someone who steals the drops of a person that they didn't kill. This system would keep people from being able to do that, therefore vultures would no longer exist. Do you have some other definition of vulture or something?

Looking at his posts? He's probably thinking of vultures as in-"any of various large diurnal birds of prey having naked heads and weak claws and feeding chiefly on carrion". That still doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but oh well.......

agreed, there needs to be a drop timer on pk drops. I got the kill shot on a few people but either did it on my veno or used my 1 range barb attack or TE and missed the pick up to someone else.

Rawrgh - Raging Tide wrote: »

White names don't drop anything usually and if they do it's usually just a pot or something.


And low levels don't have anything of value to drop.

I've dropped my TT80 wep a couple of times while white named. Luckily it was just a couple of friends messing around, so I got it back. But still, it happens.

It's a fist Blademaster vulture.

Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »

I saw that picture and was too horrified to use it, personally.

I have no shame, obviously. b:cool

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

Um...what? We're saying the killer/the squad the killer is in gets first shot at the items, not the person PKed. What are you talking about?

Ehh... this whole thread is about a timer on an item. What I'm saying is: when I drop an item while waking, there is a timer on the item, but I can pick it back up without the timer. Yes? Yes. So (I have to repeat?!) if I get killed close to town, i release corpse and come back to the place where I was killed in less than a minute and bam, I pick up my drop!!! Can you understand it now??? What you want is no timer on the item, but a direct flight of the item to your inventory. You want to be the only person to be able to pick up the item, not to have a timer on the item...b:surrender

Also, you're saying a squad can pick up... What if you're in a bh squad at the end of dungeon... You kill somebody that just left squad, the person drops awesomeness, your squad member picks it up.b:shocked Then what? What if you're in a squad with a friend who suddenly gets greedy and decided to take the item and not give it to you?! Again, you don't want a timer, you want yourself to be able to pick the item up, and yourself only.

No, I'm not for the idea. I point out your faulty reasoning. Learn2Read&Thinkb:shutup

VerenKaunis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Which, if you read the thread, is what this thread is asking for.

Also, I agree with the OP. I'd be pissed if some random person took my drops after I worked hard to kill someone.

Edit: I can type in an obnoxious color too.

No, the thread is asking for a timer, while people want the sole ability to be able to pick up the item when they pk. They want to be able to get the item and nobody else. This is NOT what I want. So no, your first sentence makes no sense.

Anybody would be pissed if that happened, but life is life and it ain't fair.

How is purple obnoxious? You can type in an obnoxious color too? Oh, wow, cool!b:victory

VerenKaunis - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Again, that's not what the thread is asking for. What the thread is asking for is that whoever does the most damage or kills the player gets a timer on the item.

The only ones who wouldn't be for the idea are those who hang around red name PKers waiting for something to drop so they can steal it.

Wouldn't melee folks be against it too? First, ranged folks have a much easier time doing the most damage. Second, it rewards ranged folks for ganking a target who doesn't even know they're there, or kiting a melee so they can't fight back.

Here are the PvP kill scenarios I can think of where both participants are fighting each other (a "fair fight"):

Melee vs. Melee: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Melee vs. Ranged: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Ranged vs. Melee: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Ranged vs. Ranged: -

Now the scenarios where the participants are not fighting each other ("unfair" fights):

Melee vs. unaware/fleeing Melee: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Melee vs. unaware/fleeing Ranged: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Ranged vs. unaware/fleeing Melee: -
Ranged vs. unaware/fleeing Ranged: -

The proposed change would turn everything into "Winner can easily pick up loot." Basically, it looks to me like the current system does a pretty good job at rewarding most of the "fair fight" situations. The proposed change does help one more "fair" scenario, but at the cost of rewarding people in two of the "unfair" scenarios. On that metric, the negatives of the proposal would seem to outweigh the positives if you want to promote PvP and not ganking.

Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Wouldn't melee folks be against it too? First, ranged folks have a much easier time doing the most damage. Second, it rewards ranged folks for ganking a target who doesn't even know they're there, or kiting a melee so they can't fight back.

Here are the PvP kill scenarios I can think of where both participants are fighting each other (a "fair fight"):

Melee vs. Melee: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Melee vs. Ranged: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Ranged vs. Melee: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Ranged vs. Ranged: -

Now the scenarios where the participants are not fighting each other ("unfair" fights):

Melee vs. unaware/fleeing Melee: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Melee vs. unaware/fleeing Ranged: Winner can easily pick up loot.
Ranged vs. unaware/fleeing Melee: -
Ranged vs. unaware/fleeing Ranged: -

The proposed change would turn everything into "Winner can easily pick up loot." Basically, it looks to me like the current system does a pretty good job at rewarding most of the "fair fight" situations. The proposed change does help one more "fair" scenario, but at the cost of rewarding people in two of the "unfair" scenarios. On that metric, the negatives of the proposal would seem to outweigh the positives if you want to promote PvP and not ganking.

Eh, well technically if a ranged class does the most damage then it's 'their' kill (I suppose 'KSing' could become a problem). As for ganking unaware players, if it's a white name then the chance of them dropping something is very small and if it's a red name then it's part of the risk they accepted when they decided to PK (despite the fact that SL has made PKing almost risk free). =/

And a ranged class is supposed to kite. If they do what they're supposed to then they wouldn't be that close to whoever they kill.

@Varen imma leave alone you answers to what I wrote and will just comment on your input...

Again, that's not what the thread is asking for. What the thread is asking for is that whoever does the most damage or kills the player gets a timer on the item.

The thread is asking for a timer on the item ONLY for the killer?! What is the point of the timer then? Just make a thread how items should go to your inventory right away. I think it would be easier with the codes rather than putting a timer on the item ONLY for the PKer. Logic...b:surrender

Your scenario fails. In a BH the only people who would be close enough to grab the item would be members of the squad anyway so whether or not there's a timer on the item doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter? So in case of PKing in a dungeon you do not care if the item goes to you or your random squad mates? Riiiteee. Also, making distinugished coding for Pk drops outside and in dungeon can be kinda confusing.

A timer is only of use in world PK where, currently, anyone can run up and take an item that drops from someone. With a timer it would mean that the one who got the kill would have first shot at the drops and even if they were in a squad having to 'compete' with at most 5 other players for a drop is better than having to race everyone who happens to be close enough.

Sometimes there are more people in your squad then 'all those who happen to be close enough'. Yes, when you're Pking at West Gate, sure, but when out in the open, srsly, how many players are there just waiting to steal a drop that you should get?!?!

No, I'm not for the idea. I point out your faulty reasoning. Learn2Read&Think
And we're pointing out your faulty understanding.

Hehe, not if somebody tells me that what I'm writing is exactly what the thread is about:) I'm not for timer, so I don't like people telling me that I am. No faulty understanding here.b:thanks

WHAT I WROTE BEFORE: "No, the thread is asking for a timer, while people want the sole ability to be able to pick up the item when they pk. They want to be able to get the item and nobody else. This is NOT what I want. So no, your first sentence makes no sense."The only ones who wouldn't be for the idea are those who hang around red name PKers waiting for something to drop so they can steal it.

What does your comment have to do with what I wrote about the wrong topic of the thread? All I'm saying, start a thread "I want the PK drops to go automatically to my inventory", instead of "I want a timer ONLY for me". And yes, I camp red names to steal their drops and they are dumb/weak enough not to kill me when they see me 'hanging around'.

Anybody would be pissed if that happened, but life is life and it ain't fair.

How is purple obnoxious? You can type in an obnoxious color too? Oh, wow, cool!
Dark text on a dark background. Figure it out yourself.

Um... no, I can't figure it out. Dark text on dark background...Hmmm... for me it's very much readable. If it ain't readable for you... b:sad

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason - Harshlands
i think PWI need to put timer on pk drops im geting **** off of killing someone and not get the drop QQing coz i not got one pk drop i had good sht drop

Read the part in red. Learn to read and comprehend.

This was not directed at me, but I will take the chance to comment. He supported the thread, what is wrong with that now?

SlashSin - Lost City wrote: »

Whenever I pop out of stealth to pwn someone they swarm around me in hopes of getting my hard-earned pk drops.

Contradiction in terms there isnt it ? b:laugh

Since no one's addressing the issue, fine.
Place timers on PK drops. I'll launch a double sparked Headhunt (triple if it isn't nerfed to de-stealth the sin) with 58+ ATK Lvs from stealth on your target that's near death.
I'll then loot the drops.
Last step is to go right back into stealth.

buttercupcruella wrote: »

Again, that's not what the thread is asking for. What the thread is asking for is that whoever does the most damage or kills the player gets a timer on the item.

The thread is asking for a timer on the item ONLY for the killer?! What is the point of the timer then? Just make a thread how items should go to your inventory right away. I think it would be easier with the codes rather than putting a timer on the item ONLY for the PKer. Logic...b:surrender

The code already exists for PvE. Change it a bit to make it apply to PvP as well. I think it would be easier to than making a new line of code so items automatically go to the killer's inventory (by the way, coding isn't even that difficult unless you're working with hundreds or more lines (seriously, a few lines of code compared to the millions that already make up the game is nothing)).

buttercupcruella wrote: »

Your scenario fails. In a BH the only people who would be close enough to grab the item would be members of the squad anyway so whether or not there's a timer on the item doesn't matter.

It doesn't matter? So in case of PKing in a dungeon you do not care if the item goes to you or your random squad mates? Riiiteee. Also, making distinugished coding for Pk drops outside and in dungeon can be kinda confusing.

It doesn't matter. The timer would go to whoever made the kill as well as anyone who was in the person's squad (same as in PvE). In an instance the only people who would be anywhere near the drops would be other members of your squad. With or without a timer they'd be able to grab the drops. Separate codes aren't needed; does the drop distribution change at all in and out of instances when you kill a mob?

buttercupcruella wrote: »

A timer is only of use in world PK where, currently, anyone can run up and take an item that drops from someone. With a timer it would mean that the one who got the kill would have first shot at the drops and even if they were in a squad having to 'compete' with at most 5 other players for a drop is better than having to race everyone who happens to be close enough.

Sometimes there are more people in your squad then 'all those who happen to be close enough'. Yes, when you're Pking at West Gate, sure, but when out in the open, srsly, how many players are there just waiting to steal a drop that you should get?!?!

Again, anyone in your squad close enough to grab the drops could take them whether or not there was a timer. If there was a timer then it would keep anyone who wasn't in the squad from stealing the drops. How about an example?

You're in a squad of 6 killing someone. There's a random blue name hanging around. The person you killed drops a weapon.

Without a timer: There are 7 people who can grab the weapon, everyone in your squad and the random person who didn't do anything.

With a timer: There are 6 people who can grab the weapon, everyone in your squad. The blue name won't be able to get it because there's a timer on the drop.

And I'll say this again since you don't seem to get it; when the only people close enough to get the drops are in your squad then the existence of a timer does not matter.

buttercupcruella wrote: »

No, I'm not for the idea. I point out your faulty reasoning. Learn2Read&Think

And we're pointing out your faulty understanding.

Hehe, not if somebody tells me that what I'm writing is exactly what the thread is about:) I'm not for timer, so I don't like people telling me that I am. No faulty understanding here.b:thanks

1) What you're talking about is not 'exactly what the thread is about'.

2)I'm not saying that you want a timer; I wouldn't be arguing with you otherwise. That would be like you saying 2+2=4 and me telling you that you're wrong and 2+2=4.

buttercupcruella wrote: »

WHAT I WROTE BEFORE: "No, the thread is asking for a timer, while people want the sole ability to be able to pick up the item when they pk. They want to be able to get the item and nobody else. This is NOT what I want. So no, your first sentence makes no sense."

The timer is so that the PKer can take whatever drops from whoever he killed instead of some random person who just happened to be closer. Kind of like in PvE where mob drops have a short time where the only ones who can pick up the drops are the person or squad who killed the mob. Why shouldn't a PKer get first dibs on PK drops? They made the kill so they 'deserve' the drop more than some blue name riding on a red name's ****.

buttercupcruella wrote: »

What does your comment have to do with what I wrote about the wrong topic of the thread? All I'm saying, start a thread "I want the PK drops to go automatically to my inventory", instead of "I want a timer ONLY for me". And yes, I camp red names to steal their drops and they are dumb/weak enough not to kill me when they see me 'hanging around'.

And you've just proved my point. You're too weak to kill anyone yourself so you just stand next to red names so you an grab what drops. Because you steal PK drops you don't want a timer which would prevent you from stealing. b:bye

And I was replying to your comment that you're against the idea of a timer for PK drops.

buttercupcruella wrote: »

Um... no, I can't figure it out. Dark text on dark background...Hmmm... for me it's very much readable. If it ain't readable for you... b:sad

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buttercupcruella wrote: »

Quote:
Originally Posted by Jason - Harshlands
i think PWI need to put timer on pk drops im geting **** off of killing someone and not get the drop QQing coz i not got one pk drop i had good sht drop

Read the part in red. Learn to read and comprehend.

This was not directed at me, but I will take the chance to comment. He supported the thread, what is wrong with that now?

Actually, he's not supporting the thread, he made the thread. What he's asking for is a timer so that he can actually have a chance at getting drops since people like you flock like vultures to anywhere there might be a PK war going on.

skyxiii wrote: »

Since no one's addressing the issue, fine.
Place timers on PK drops. I'll launch a double sparked Headhunt (triple if it isn't nerfed to de-stealth the sin) with 58+ ATK Lvs from stealth on your target that's near death.
I'll then loot the drops.
Last step is to go right back into stealth.

Which is why I specify 'whoever kills or does the most damage'. Similar to the PvE drop timer actually.

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

Can we not have a 'who can have the most unreadable font' war? b:cry

b:surrenderb:surrender

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

You're assuming ranged people use no skills to keep melee classes at a distance, especially archers with the damage reduction at melee range. And in PvP, there's really nothing such as an "unfair" fight. The people who joined a PvP server knew (or should have known, but that's another thread) that they would be killed once they hit 30, and PvE people chose to be in PK mode.

Glad to see people have been pretty reasonable in their responses. I just tossed that out there as a devil's advocate and for feedback.

It sounds to me that the issue has more to do with blue names picking up PK loot. On the PvP servers, if someone steals your loot, you can (as PvP server folks are so fond of pointing out) PK the person who did it. Except you can't do that to blue named people. Similarly for PvE servers, blue named folks should be able to watch as spectators, but not interact by picking up loot.

For white/red named people, the notion of protecting loot through a game mechanic seems contradictory to the concept of open PvP. You decided to go PvP for the free-for-all nature of the combat, but you don't want loot to be free-for-all? Why one but not the other?

They already have the [who did the most damage] code usable for mobs, it doesn't seem like it would be that hard to just move it over to PKing as well.

I've run across this problem when coding games before. Very few mobs heal themselves, and their damage table gets reset when they lose all aggro and reset.

Players OTOH heal themselves pretty prolifically, and don't have an aggro table which resets if certain conditions are met. So how do you calculate who did the most damage? If he gets a 2k point heal, does that eliminate 2k points of the most recent damage? The oldest damage? Split among all the people who damaged him? If he gets killed after a charm tick, does the person who contributed the most damage before the charm tick get any credit? After all, it was his damage which put the charm into cooldown and allowed the person to be killed. How about the archer who used STA and reduced the person's max hp. Does he get any credit? Or the veno who tossed on Amp?

The "most damage" code works for mobs because they're plentiful, and it's easier to move on to a different mob than to bicker over kill stealing. It's not so simple with players, especially clever ones who can probably figure out ways to exploit it so they'll be sure their friend will get credit if they are killed and be able to pick up any items they drop.

Aadi - Lost City wrote: »

Can we not have a 'who can have the most unreadable font' war? b:cry

Whoever wins... my eyesight loses.

Also, I approve of the drop timer, however, it should be made more difficult to drop certain things (e.g. weapons) outside of the bad pk lock.