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VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »I'd suggest to OP get an archer, takes absolutely no brain to use & is very forgiving. Most of the stuff dies before it comes even close to you. Actually even at higher lvls is easy as hell.
Veno is good if you dump tons of money into leg pets, which I'm assuming OP won't. Otherwise, if you got normal pets, then you'll actually have to LEARN & KNOW how to play to get invitied or wanted in squads.
Archers are just DD. While Venos are DD, tankers & supporters, I'd say it's lots of work. Archer is just auto atk till the thing is dead.
You forgot the comic relief role. Archer has ultimate responsibility for generating laughs at inappropriate moments. It is seriously tough job.... critical for survival of party. Oh, and math. Archers gotta do all the math, too."?" IS my avatar.0 -
Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »As an archer I am much more limited by the tanks ability or hold aggro or the clerics willingness to heal me than my DD abilities.
You could auto-attack.. or you could cast Blood vow (+25% damage amp), demon tooth (+10% crit), demon spark (+500% weapon dam / +25% attack speed), frenzy (+20 attack level), extreme poison (+20% damage amp), and enjoy your normal arrows getting 90k crits. An archers job is to make everything die fast and there are a lot of tools you have to achieve this.
I was being sarcastic towards Waffle's post...
Oh yah, OP if you like & good at math - go archer ._.Oh, and math. Archers gotta do all the math, too.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Pressa - Heavens Tear wrote: »He said if he plays 3 hours a day how long would it take to get to 30. The answer is usually 2 weeks. It takes 9 hours to get from 1-19 and varying time after that depending on the class.
Three weeks?
No no no.
I got my sin from 1-20 in just three or less hours.
At three hours a day, for two days, you can probably hit 30.
Probably three days.0 -
Nakhimov - Lost City wrote: »Nah, veno is a noob class. I couldn't even level my alt veno past 7x seeing as it was so boring and easy to play.
Then stop playing so simple minded. Any class in this game is as difficult or easy as you make it. Managing pet and self is more complex than a single char. Playing Cleric can keep you on your toes.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »I'd suggest to OP get an archer, takes absolutely no brain to use & is very forgiving. Most of the stuff dies before it comes even close to you. Actually even at higher lvls is easy as hell.
Veno is good if you dump tons of money into leg pets, which I'm assuming OP won't. Otherwise, if you got normal pets, then you'll actually have to LEARN & KNOW how to play to get invitied or wanted in squads.
Archers are just DD. While Venos are DD, tankers & supporters, I'd say it's lots of work. Archer is just auto atk till the thing is dead.
yeah, normal hits deal so much DMG its like epic pwnage b:chuckle. This BM deals way better DMG than my archer does at normal attacks, WITH FISTS since like 12 LVLs below my archer too. I bet even my LA veno could pass my archer at LVL 29. Heck, I rather just auto attack with my barb instead, at least my HP bar fall down because of the ridiculously slow attack speed. I rather not use this tactic as archer ever again. Only way to fix that problem is with intervals b:cry.
Oh, and I use a snow hare (which people like you say its really hard without legendary pets), tortoise and frog for pet, legendary pets will make veno even more easy mode nty b:bye
I kill fastest as archer ONLY when I spam skills, not using that normal attack every close to 2 seconds <__<[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thanks for Flauschkatze for siggy b:cool
VIT > STR > DEX > MAG... GG
HA > LA > AR... GG
HA + VIT = win b:bye0 -
it really shows how much you really know about me. i only spent 95 levels as one, pre-delta, pre-fcc, pre-hypers, pre-oracles, the good old fashion hardcore, earned one. they are easy, boring, and not very hard to use. i even wrote a guide on how to professionally noob it up on a noobmancer. its stickied if you wanna check it out >_>VlLKASS - Sanctuary wrote: »I was being sarcastic towards Waffle's post...
Oh yah, OP if you like & good at math - go archer ._.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
You sure like to talk **** about classes, venomancer has some VERY advanced elements about it, you're just completely ignoring them. (too bad they're VERY costly, and drops REALLY suck at higher levels)WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »it really shows how much you really know about me. i only spent 95 levels as one, pre-delta, pre-fcc, pre-hypers, pre-oracles, the good old fashion hardcore, earned one. they are easy, boring, and not very hard to use. i even wrote a guide on how to professionally noob it up on a noobmancer. its stickied if you wanna check it out >_>I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
"When you're on Team Bring it, every morning your feet hit the floor, the good lord says "good morning" and the devil says 'Oh **** they're up' " - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
Are you on Team Bring it?0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »it really shows how much you really know about me. i only spent 95 levels as one, pre-delta, pre-fcc, pre-hypers, pre-oracles, the good old fashion hardcore, earned one. they are easy, boring, and not very hard to use. i even wrote a guide on how to professionally noob it up on a noobmancer. its stickied if you wanna check it out >_>
/me bows, spanks himself and calls himself a noob. omg, forgive me my insolence, i had no clue youre so pr0.0 -
Costly ?! When i feel like making money i just go on my veno. It may be boring but hardly costly.0
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wow, and you cant even defend your position?Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »You sure like to talk **** about classes, venomancer has some VERY advanced elements about it, you're just completely ignoring them. (too bad they're VERY costly, and drops REALLY suck at higher levels)
pve is beyond easy for veno, send in pet, spam skills til it dies. and people STILL **** this up.
pvp... you run almost as fast as barbs end game... have 2 different invincibility/heavy damage reduction moves... a myriad of debuffs... what more could you need? and most idiots just debuff and let pets do the work!
you know what i see on a majority of high level venos?
they fly, high in the sky, and let phoenix kill everything, dropping occasionally to grab loot. almost EVERY 90+ veno i see on sanctuary does this when im A. killing spiders, or B. out doing OHT dailies.
tell me, where is your 'advanced' garbage?
there isnt.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »wow, and you cant even defend your position?
pve is beyond easy for veno, send in pet, spam skills til it dies. and people STILL **** this up.
pvp... you run almost as fast as barbs end game... have 2 different invincibility/heavy damage reduction moves... a myriad of debuffs... what more could you need? and most idiots just debuff and let pets do the work!
you know what i see on a majority of high level venos?
they fly, high in the sky, and let phoenix kill everything, dropping occasionally to grab loot. almost EVERY 90+ veno i see on sanctuary does this when im A. killing spiders, or B. out doing OHT dailies.
tell me, where is your 'advanced' garbage?
there isnt.
And what do you think are you doing? Crafting yourself enchanced arrows using ancient magic of chinese mythic gods, breathing their power then aim and shot?
You press couple of keys on keybard that do some fancy effects in game that belongs to most mindless genere and is usualy played by teens. If you think you actually do something different then IMHO you should find some pro help.
EDIT: More about you hardcore gameplay. I guess youre the one that constantly cry "oh, BH. what a noobs. we were zheners blah blah blah". You know, they run about around and kill an more difficult creature while you put charms, barb is running like crazy and you just aoe in one place. Whats so hardcore, hard etc. in it?0 -
LOL!
An archer and a veno both pointing the "your class is easier to play" finger.
I'll tell you what, they're both easy classes to play PvE.
Typical Veno:
*send pet* IW VS IW *send pet to next mob*
*send tank* heal amp heal IW heal VS rinse repeat till dead and maybe throw in a purge if needed
*send tank* *wedge something to hold down heal hotkey and go afk*
Typical Archer
Frost normal normal knockback normal normal normal *mob dies*
STA normal normal normal normal normal ... normal *return from afk boss dead*
Then again as fist/claw bm, my job isn't really all that difficult either. b:byeI post in forums. This one and others. That's why I post.0 -
Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »LOL!
An archer and a veno both pointing the "your class is easier to play" finger.
I'll tell you what, they're both easy classes to play PvE.
Typical Veno:
*send pet* IW VS IW *send pet to next mob*
*send tank* heal amp heal IW heal VS rinse repeat till dead and maybe throw in a purge if needed
*send tank* *wedge something to hold down heal hotkey and go afk*
Typical Archer
Frost normal normal knockback normal normal normal *mob dies*
STA normal normal normal normal normal ... normal *return from afk boss dead*
Then again as fist/claw bm, my job isn't really all that difficult either. b:bye
And youre right xD I'll add cleric. Get charms, thunder, plume, thunder, plume and step back from time to time (attack power / gear dependent).
BTW: /me must find something to hold down key cause i've already fell asleep twice (steelation/giant beast) cause i was not moving, lol0 -
ignoratio elenchi, much? what does this have anything to do with venos being/not being difficult. all it did was create a technicality off the basis that pve is simplistic in general. PLEASE, try again, that was just a joke in my eyes.You press couple of keys on keybard that do some fancy effects in game that belongs to most mindless genere and is usualy played by teens. If you think you actually do something different then IMHO you should find some pro help.
and about your edit. venos didnt zhen back then, genius, i earned it killing mobs 1v1, like an old fashion grinder this used to be.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
Veno is an easy class to play, but one of the hardest classes to master.
That is all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
OH come on we all know MAGE is the easiest class to play in this game.
I mean come on i hit 90+ and i faceroll the keyboard and everything dies.
I mean come on HOW can i have any fun that wayb:sad
(oh ya sarcasm btw, honestly mages suck **** to play and thats coming from someone who LOVES them, in fact i wont touch my alt cus I love my mage so much. )Where have all the mages gone. Long time casting.
Who altered my siggy im
kinda scared b:shocked0 -
Oh this thread made me lol.
Venomancers are the the class that you can call: most rewards with least effort. This gets translated to as easy, more often than not. You can let your pet do all the killing, meaning the only repair costs you're going to get are really for your weapon. Combine this with the drops from monsters, and you make a lot of profit with every quest you do.
Minimal costs maximizes the profit from drops, which is also why the veno has been labelled the best grinding class in terms of making money.
Venomancers are also one of the only classes that can solo most of the bosses they need at the required level, and again, for the cheapest cost. This is amplified if you manage to get a Herc (which while you all complain is expensive, will pay itself off eventually if you don't neglect your Veno) - a Herc will allow you to solo most of your BHs at their required level as well, save for Polearm in 69 and a few other bosses hither and thither.
Finally, venomancers get an MP recovery skill, a HP recovery skill and a HP/MP switch skill. This means they have far more recovery options than any other class, which lowers the amount of money you use towards pots or other recovery-based apoth items. Again, minimizing costs maximizes end profit. This also means that the Veno has relatively decent survivability in both PvE and PvP (Bramble Hood, anybody?) and this isn't counting their pets.
When people say a Venomancer is easy to play, they actually mean that it is the class that reaps the most rewards for the least amount of effort. Having your pet run around and slap everything while you press the heal hotkey on your keyboard is not something that takes effort, but then again, neither is auto-attack, or any other skill for that matter. It's not a case of the skills that you use and the buttons you press on the keyboard that make it easy, it's a case of how you play the game and how this alters your costs, profits and survivability. The Veno minimizes costs, which helps to maximize profit, and it incredibly durable if you know what you're doing. (Soul Trans, Nature's Grace/Metabolic Boost, Fox Form, Hood.)[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Some can't even manage THAT...*send tank* heal amp heal IW heal VS rinse repeat till dead and maybe throw in a purge if needed
I use a tea-spoon b:quiet*send tank* *wedge something to hold down heal hotkey and go afk*[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
A lot.tomergilad1 wrote: »how many people playing pw?
what best job for lvl fastest without buy cash?
The GM's job.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »lot of people play, venomancer is easy mode for pw. most people who play them suck and get away with it because its such a noob class.
correction venomancer is the cheap class of pwi, and best solo class, but if played on a more advanced lvl just as technical as all other classes. But true many venomancers get away with not playing too good. And many higher lvls got a veno to earn cash.0 -
Sinalee - Dreamweaver wrote: »correction venomancer is the cheap class of pwi, and best solo class, but if played on a more advanced lvl just as technical as all other classes. But true many venomancers get away with not playing too good. And many higher lvls got a veno to earn cash.
theres nothing advanced about it, this is what i see ALL venomancers do. 95% of them are total noobs, and there is nothing technical about them. im rather sick of all the defense theyre getting with no mirth to a single argument.
THIS is all i see venomancers do, its the most brainless, nooby method of play ive ever seen.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
theres nothing advanced about it, this is what i see ALL venomancers do. 95% of them are total noobs, and there is nothing technical about them. im rather sick of all the defense theyre getting with no mirth to a single argument.
THIS is all i see venomancers do, its the most brainless, nooby method of play ive ever seen.
b:surrender Waffle I believe you can report that if they are not actually there. And don't generalize just because some venos do it on your server. All arguments against it get thrown to the wayside because you don't agree with them just so you know. Thats why you aren't seeing any counteracting points.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
well, i havent seen a single argument. ive seen 'they can be an advanced class' with nothing else added to it. there hasnt been a single thing for me to disagree with at all.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
Well its honestly not that advanced a game. I know your saying venomancers are easy mode but the entire game is easy venomancer or not. How can one be advanced like that?
I am the first to admit Venos can be easy can be is the operative word but they can also be harder then a cleric to play sometimes trying to juggle around some of the things you need to do. b:surrender the cast to the wayside was more of a back look at previous arguments brought up against you. While you can be accepting sometimes you have tendency to ignore what you don't like.
Its like trying to balance healing a amp and a spark as well as ironwood scarab all into a short few seconds to maximize the damage before the others wear off. I would say thats just as easy as trying to pay attention to the life bars of clerics and barbs. As a frequent sub tank you have to do the same and make sure you know where not only your squishies are but the location of mobs and how far away your barb is from helping your squishies. Basically it has the ease of being a barb and not dying combined with the difficulty of being a caster and having to watch your ****. Sure we can get really tough but you actually have to know what your doing to not die. That myriad of skills does nothing unless you know how to use them. I am sure you have seen some pretty amazing venos and some newbie ones too there is a difference between them obviously its how advanced they play the class. As venomancers they can be easy or hard based on how you want to play at the time. Thats what they mean.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
theres nothing advanced about it, this is what i see ALL venomancers do. 95% of them are total noobs, and there is nothing technical about them. im rather sick of all the defense theyre getting with no mirth to a single argument.
THIS is all i see venomancers do, its the most brainless, nooby method of play ive ever seen.
For that the OP would need:
1. Shizload of money for a nix
2. Quest outside all the time, about 90% (the other 10% is wq & mq) of what I do nowadays is in instance , so no nixes. Thus generalizing that what all venos do is hax with nixes is bs.
If there is no "ADVANCED" play then taking random veno/archer/etc in squad wouldn't matter, dunno how about you... but to me it matters who I take with me, especially for harder instances, I take ppl I know for a reason...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
theres nothing advanced about it, this is what i see ALL venomancers do. 95% of them are total noobs, and there is nothing technical about them. im rather sick of all the defense theyre getting with no mirth to a single argument.
THIS is all i see venomancers do, its the most brainless, nooby method of play ive ever seen.
So ALL or 95%, you have to decide cause someone can miss it in two separate posts but that's just different statement in next phrase. Actually I don't even know what's on that picure besides veno vith nix somewhere and you must have rich players on this sanctuary if ALL and 95% of them has nixes.
Maybe try to go outside and take a deep breath? It may help.
Cheers0 -
how about this, veno are easy to handle or just be a ok player, but for a veno to pvp well... that is something else completely, veno is probably i believe one of the most underpowered class when you reach endgame status because their nix doesn't upgrade higher once you reach 101 -.-[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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try playing without a herc/nix and play just as well, THEN talk, it's amazing how people automatically say "just send in nix/herc" come up with something else besides a $200+ duo of pets.WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »wow, and you cant even defend your position?
pve is beyond easy for veno, send in pet, spam skills til it dies. and people STILL **** this up.
pvp... you run almost as fast as barbs end game... have 2 different invincibility/heavy damage reduction moves... a myriad of debuffs... what more could you need? and most idiots just debuff and let pets do the work!
you know what i see on a majority of high level venos?
they fly, high in the sky, and let phoenix kill everything, dropping occasionally to grab loot. almost EVERY 90+ veno i see on sanctuary does this when im A. killing spiders, or B. out doing OHT dailies.
tell me, where is your 'advanced' garbage?
there isnt.I'm a guy, not a woman, that is all
"When you're on Team Bring it, every morning your feet hit the floor, the good lord says "good morning" and the devil says 'Oh **** they're up' " - Dwayne "The Rock" Johnson
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Pervera - Lost City wrote: »And youre right xD I'll add cleric. Get charms, thunder, plume, thunder, plume and step back from time to time (attack power / gear dependent).
BTW: /me must find something to hold down key cause i've already fell asleep twice (steelation/giant beast) cause i was not moving, lol
1. You forgot cyclone (that is our move that can slow the oponent running).
2. We would of needed healing with your attack basis if we weren't running.
3. The mobs die relatively quickly so you wont need all those attacks.
4. HP Charm? Clerics have many healing skills, why would you need a charm when you can heal?
5. MP Charm? Idiot, get some herb yuanxiao and us when necessary, much cheaper, no waste and makes alot more sense.Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »try playing without a herc/nix and play just as well, THEN talk, it's amazing how people automatically say "just send in nix/herc" come up with something else besides a $200+ duo of pets.
My veno didn't have a herc/nix and it was still easy as hell and bored me to death b:surrender.Executor Of Reunited ~ Level 3 ~ Level 85+ ~ No Drama, No Pressure Faction.
Hunter_PT - Cleric 9X, (Active/Main)
PoisonedTip - Veno 7x (Retired)
Skeln - Barbarian 4X (Rarely-Active)
Hunter_The - BM 1X (Rarely-Active)0 -
Hunter_PT - Heavens Tear wrote: »1. You forgot cyclone (that is our move that can slow the oponent running).
2. We would of needed healing with your attack basis if we weren't running.
3. The mobs die relatively quickly so you wont need all those attacks.
4. HP Charm? Clerics have many healing skills, why would you need a charm when you can heal?
5. MP Charm? Idiot, get some herb yuanxiao and us when necessary, much cheaper, no waste and makes alot more sense.
My veno didn't have a herc/nix and it was still easy as hell and bored me to death b:surrender.
Actually I meant cyclone, just misnamed it. And about charms, why do I need any charm on veno? Basically I don't need but why to do not if I can afford it? Any objections?
Now you are proving same "pr0" level as waffle. You still are doing some kind of mumbo jumbo instead get the fact that you cycle throught 3 keys and claim thet your e-pen is longer cause you have different animation bound to it.
Guys, someone asked what calss to play and the answer he got is "don't play that, its noob, noob, noob, i have longer e-pen, im pr0, thyre noobs" what he prolly translated to "better stay away of this game".0
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