Why is everyone so adamant on filtering/blacklisting?

losstarot
losstarot Posts: 0 Arc User
edited April 2010 in General Discussion
Why do most people feel the need that they must remove or censor certain texts or people they don't like? Even if the other side is being annoying/spamming or if you need to focus on squad or faction chat, they're no point in removing it; even the worse of Worldchat/Horn spam is still enjoyable and it's not hard to focus on team or faction mates in the most dire of times. Blacklisting/forceful filtering is the worst and most extreme action you can take against someone and is incredibly disrespectful, no matter how disrespect the other person is being.

I still think gagging Duke was one of the worse things PWI has done.
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  • Glowfish - Lost City
    Glowfish - Lost City Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    apparently most people just don't like change.

    i didn't think the spam on Lost City was that bad. sure, it wasn't incredibly intelligent, but the fishy icons are kinda cool.

    it's funny to see what some people will waste 15 silver on also b:chuckle
  • losstarot
    losstarot Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    This isn't a horn thread, but rather a general one.
  • Sumona - Heavens Tear
    Sumona - Heavens Tear Posts: 25 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    Blacklisting/forceful filtering is the worst and most extreme action you can take against someone and is incredibly disrespectful, no matter how disrespect the other person is being.

    I don't understand your thinking. If someone is "spamming" chat, this would be disturbing my game play. Naturally I would blacklist them. Problem solved. Blacklisting is the only option we have to immediately get rid of people like that. I find it funny that you think its 'incredibly disrespectful' to blacklist someone <.<.
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  • oyamajio
    oyamajio Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    This isn't a horn thread, but rather a general one.

    I don't think so. I think I've made someone mad. That's why my post got deleted.b:laugh
  • Pegasi - Lost City
    Pegasi - Lost City Posts: 237 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    It's not disrespectful to blacklist someone, you're just a big wuss, losstarot.

    If someone is spamming, or swearing me out because I wouldn't just give them my clothing or my seven-million coin wings on a whim I have every right just as much as anyone else to blacklist them. So bugger off. >:|
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  • losstarot
    losstarot Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Blacklisting is the most extreme measure you can take against anyone, since it creates the illusion that the other person does not exist and thus is worthless while you create a superiority complex over them. You can say they they're being disrespectful and rude by whining to you and being immature (which they are), but they at least have the curiosity to hear your response and reply to it (no matter how bad it was).

    You can just as easily ignore whatever they say and simply ignore (it's called willpower and doesn't make you look pompous).
  • Random_ - Dreamweaver
    Random_ - Dreamweaver Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    Blacklisting is the most extreme measure you can take against anyone, since it creates the illusion that the other person does not exist and thus is worthless while you create a superiority complex over them. You can say they they're being disrespectful and rude by whining to you and being immature (which they are), but they at least have the curiosity to hear your response and reply to it (no matter how bad it was).

    You can just as easily ignore whatever they say and simply ignore (it's called willpower and doesn't make you look pompous).

    This is what someone did to my cleric friend when he died (after BM rushing wyv-- then blaming the cleric, naturally, and kicked the person standing up for the cleric. The entire squad dropped with the cleric, resquadded, did again.)

    xxxxx: LOSER CLERIC
    xxxxx: *getting around censor* (x20-- yes, he kept spamming it).

    Meanwhile, my cleric friend was trying to keep up with squad chat==>


    xxxx: *pointless spam*
    xxxx: *pointless spam*
    xxxx: *pointless spam*

    xxxxxx: I got aggro!"
    xxxx: *pointless spam*
    xxxx: *pointless spam*
    xxxx: *pointless spam*



    It would be lost in the tide, 'specially if people keep it up. It can be extremely distracting when you're relying on faction chat to keep everything in place. That said... if we 'ignore them', as you're saying, but never respond... what's the difference between that and blacklisting them? If we do respond, we're just adding fuel to the fire, 'specially for spammers-- they love to know that they're being acknowledged. Yes, they are curious of your response-- because that's what they feed off of to keep spamming.

    Also... filtering. I really don't want random colors up in my face "I love yous" "I'm gonna go cut myself" "Who wants me to rub my sack over them?". If the 'filtering' part was about horns-- they aren't interested in your response specifically, and, once again, fuel to the fire-- the best thing to do is ignore them, so what's the difference between that and BL?
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  • losstarot
    losstarot Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Ignoring shows control and decency; blacklisting shows laziness and superiority. Think of blacklist as having a mod/GM power akin to banning and note how they only ban under the most extreme measures and with repeated violations (sans serious issues); however, also note that they are as objective as possible (where as blacklisting is purely subjective) and how they will listen to an appeal after the fact and redetermine their action (whereas it's oneshot with blacklisting).
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    Ignoring shows control and decency; blacklisting shows laziness and superiority. Think of blacklist as having a mod/GM power akin to banning and note how they only ban under the most extreme measures and with repeated violations (sans serious issues); however, also note that they are as objective as possible (where as blacklisting is purely subjective) and how they will listen to an appeal after the fact and redetermine their action (whereas it's oneshot with blacklisting).

    You seem to assume that we're living in some kind of Victorian era. Where etiquette governs all actions.

    I typically don't blacklist someone for being a pompous **** once, because we all have our moments. I do however blacklist someone for being a pompous **** on multiple occasions, and that includes a single encounter such as a BH or TT run.

    If someone was calling you in the middle of the night only to call you obsene names with each successive call, would you at some point try to "ignore" the phone ringing off the hook? or block that number?
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  • oyamajio
    oyamajio Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    Ignoring shows control and decency; blacklisting shows laziness and superiority. Think of blacklist as having a mod/GM power akin to banning and note how they only ban under the most extreme measures and with repeated violations (sans serious issues); however, also note that they are as objective as possible (where as blacklisting is purely subjective) and how they will listen to an appeal after the fact and redetermine their action (whereas it's oneshot with blacklisting).

    Is that how you do a normal talk? b:chuckle
  • Santacruz - Heavens Tear
    Santacruz - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    @OP

    because i really couldn't give 2 tics if you love your gf or you want to post something stupid but go do it in WC and gtfo out of my guild chat

    .
  • Varscona - Sanctuary
    Varscona - Sanctuary Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    people black list so they can sign on to their game without having to read about how sweaty some punk's balls are, or what someone wants to do to someone else's mother, or how much of a ***** so and so is, stuff like that. in my opinion, those people don't deserve a second chance, it's not like they don't know any better.

    besides, how would you even know the difference between someone ignoring you or someone blacklisting you? either way they don't talk to you, so what's the problem?

    also, how is black listing anywhere close to banning? is me black listing you restricting your game play in anyway? no, you play the game as if i never black listed you.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    My computer.
    My screen.

    You are here on my sufferance and I do not suffer fools gladly.

    Spam and you WILL be banished from my sight.

    For I am a petty and vengeful god.
  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Okay, this makes no sense, and I feel the OP is missing a few brain cells [or is a snob when it comes to what they think respectful... which still could mean they're missing a few brain cells.]

    In real life, when you ignore somebody, it isn't always easy to tone it out. In these cases, what do you do? You walk away from that person until you can no longer hear them.

    You can't do that in the game. You can't just walk away from world chat, it follows you wherever it goes. Therefore, you have filters. Is filtering out annoyances bad? No, this is the equivalent to walking away from somebody in real life when you want to ignore them.

    Blacklisting the asshats is doing the same thing. Because there are people in this game with the maturity level of zero, they will bother you if they think they can get away with it. Obnoxious spam in common chat, and bitter slurs and insults in PM if you ignore them. That's right, there are people in this game who will start to insult and berate you if you ignore them, because how dare you not give them attention. These people you then blacklist. It's not a slap in the face to them, is it? After all, if you don't say anything they won't even know that they've been blacklisted. Don't burst their little bubble.

    Honestly OP, get a hold of yourself. If this was aimed at the horns, which I feel it was, then people have every right to complain because some chats are supposed to be private so you can focus on them. You know, like the private message channel. Don't think horn shouts count as a private message.
    If it is in general, and you feel insulted at the notion of getting blacklisted, my I urge you do the following:

    Give everyone here your in-game name and server. Then we can blacklist you and your idiocy. b:bye
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  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Okay, this makes no sense, and I feel the OP is missing a few brain cells [or is a snob when it comes to what they think respectful... which still could mean they're missing a few brain cells.]

    In real life, when you ignore somebody, it isn't always easy to tone it out. In these cases, what do you do? You walk away from that person until you can no longer hear them.

    You can't do that in the game. You can't just walk away from world chat, it follows you wherever it goes. Therefore, you have filters. Is filtering out annoyances bad? No, this is the equivalent to walking away from somebody in real life when you want to ignore them.

    Blacklisting the asshats is doing the same thing. Because there are people in this game with the maturity level of zero, they will bother you if they think they can get away with it. Obnoxious spam in common chat, and bitter slurs and insults in PM if you ignore them. That's right, there are people in this game who will start to insult and berate you if you ignore them, because how dare you not give them attention. These people you then blacklist. It's not a slap in the face to them, is it? After all, if you don't say anything they won't even know that they've been blacklisted. Don't burst their little bubble.

    Honestly OP, get a hold of yourself. If this was aimed at the horns, which I feel it was, then people have every right to complain because some chats are supposed to be private so you can focus on them. You know, like the private message channel. Don't think horn shouts count as a private message.
    If it is in general, and you feel insulted at the notion of getting blacklisted, my I urge you do the following:

    Give everyone here your in-game name and server. Then we can blacklist you and your idiocy. b:bye

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  • Langdale - Raging Tide
    Langdale - Raging Tide Posts: 30 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    Why do most people feel the need that they must remove or censor certain texts or people they don't like? Even if the other side is being annoying/spamming or if you need to focus on squad or faction chat, they're no point in removing it; even the worse of Worldchat/Horn spam is still enjoyable and it's not hard to focus on team or faction mates in the most dire of times. Blacklisting/forceful filtering is the worst and most extreme action you can take against someone and is incredibly disrespectful, no matter how disrespect the other person is being.

    I still think gagging Duke was one of the worse things PWI has done.

    Easy its called freedom of choice.
  • StormChaos - Heavens Tear
    StormChaos - Heavens Tear Posts: 141 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I dont suffer fools and idiots in RL, so Im not going to suffer them in a game.

    I BL a total of 1 person yesterday because he was being a spammy ****.
    Is that disrespectful to that person ... no .
    You make a rod for your own back, if you want to act like a fool be expected to be treated like one.
  • /NiKi - Lost City
    /NiKi - Lost City Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    Why do most people feel the need that they must remove or censor certain texts or people they don't like? Even if the other side is being annoying/spamming or if you need to focus on squad or faction chat, they're no point in removing it; even the worse of Worldchat/Horn spam is still enjoyable and it's not hard to focus on team or faction mates in the most dire of times. Blacklisting/forceful filtering is the worst and most extreme action you can take against someone and is incredibly disrespectful, no matter how disrespect the other person is being.

    I still think gagging Duke was one of the worse things PWI has done.

    well that is only what U think,u cant expect everyone to share ur opinion.
    best solution would be they give us option to disable it,so as for duke,that way u could still enjoy in it,while rest of us enjoy without it :)
  • Ginrai - Heavens Tear
    Ginrai - Heavens Tear Posts: 17 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    if you need to focus on squad or faction chat, they're no point in removing it; even the worse of Worldchat/Horn spam is still enjoyable and it's not hard to focus on team or faction mates in the most dire of times.
    Its not a question of my ability to ignore it - I want to be able to go afk for 4 hours (busy RL y'know), and come back and read pm's ppl sent me 3 hours ago. Which means I don't want my chat scrolled up with pages of horn drivel :P
  • Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear
    Nowitsawn - Heavens Tear Posts: 4,864 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    I try not to overuse my blacklist too much, basically the only people I blacklist are people that spam advertise for whatever they're selling, or group they're looking for (outside of Arch ofcourse b:chuckle ). I remove them from it shortly after.

    Blocking smack-talkers from WC is like trying to swim without getting wet if you ask me, so I don't blacklist those (and it's funny to read sometimes too IMO b:laugh ). Same goes with horns for me, though I can totally agree with people blocking those for practical reasons. Some of my best friends like to talk **** in WC from time to time too, if I had blacklisted them for it I probably would never have met them.

    When it comes to people being stupid/offensive in general, I don't blacklist those people either.

    Blacklisting stupid/offensive people doesn't really make them any less stupid/offensive.

    You just can't see it. And I prefer seeing their stupidity rather than being isolated in my own little space of people I like.

    But that's just me b:thanks
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  • XylolyX - Heavens Tear
    XylolyX - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,097 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    @OP

    because i really couldn't give 2 tics if you love your gf or you want to post something stupid but go do it in WC and gtfo out of my guild chat

    .


    And stay out of squad chat too.
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  • Smarie - Sanctuary
    Smarie - Sanctuary Posts: 60 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    My computer.
    My screen.

    You are here on my sufferance and I do not suffer fools gladly.

    Spam and you WILL be banished from my sight.

    For I am a petty and vengeful god.


    Well said.

    I have a child that may come and look at my screen. If you talk trash, you get the blacklist. Simple as that. I also BL people like Wizzeled who just waste teles to waste teles.

    P.S. you can blacklist in forum too b:thanks
  • Neodaystar - Sanctuary
    Neodaystar - Sanctuary Posts: 1,020 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Yes I can.

    I can not walk away from horns but I can turn off world chat.


    Well, you can just freeze your chat window if you are not expecting anything from other chats and let your friends know to pm you and not whisper you if they need you for anything :D
  • Alliptica - Raging Tide
    Alliptica - Raging Tide Posts: 1,545 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    yes blacklist is necessary. i use it when someone is harrassing me in whipser.
    -retired-

    now playing megaten and...Forsaken World ;)
  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Freezing the chat window actually occured to me last night. So, 's not such a bad idea. Alternatively, you can set your auto-response to say to use PM function instead of chat for any communication needs.

    Think I'll try that out and see if it works. I really don't want to have to "quit" for a week or so until the damn horns are gone...
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  • Aadi - Lost City
    Aadi - Lost City Posts: 4,449 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Yes I can.

    I can not walk away from horns but I can turn off world chat.

    Um...did you READ the rest of Airyll's post at all? Really? The next sentence:
    Therefore, you have filters.

    That was the whole point of the post, that you can filter out WC and it's not disrespectful.


    On topic, I don't blacklist because...I just don't. I'm not easily bothered, and more amused if people try to spam me or abuse me. But I don't reply to people that I don't like either, so it's the equivalent of blacklist, except they don't know whether or not they're blacklisted. Is that still disrespectful? Am I obligated to argue with someone because the OP thinks it's respectful to?
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  • Xarathox - Dreamweaver
    Xarathox - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,657 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Obligated to argue with someone? that's called "feeding the trolls".

    I think the OP is a glutton for abuse.
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  • SinCityChick - Dreamweaver
    SinCityChick - Dreamweaver Posts: 300 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    My opinion on the OP is that he/she is one of the ones who spams the PH chat, and is offended because people won't listen to the **** that he types. Sorry, but I personally hate WC itself...My first action to spammers in PH is BL, right away. I don't want to have my pleasant gaming experience ruined by some person talking about their sexual preferences, personal exploits, recent bodily functions, etc., thank you very much.

    Funny thought mentioned in the past:

    Maturity test required to use WC...maybe it should be implemented for the use of Perfect Horns...
    For those times when *facepalm* and *headdesk* just aren't enough, I present...*brickhead*...painful, effective, and guaranteed to make you forget why you hit yourself in the first place.

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  • JanusZeal - Heavens Tear
    JanusZeal - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,852 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    losstarot wrote: »
    Why do most people feel the need that they must remove or censor certain texts or people they don't like? Even if the other side is being annoying/spamming or if you need to focus on squad or faction chat, they're no point in removing it; even the worse of Worldchat/Horn spam is still enjoyable and it's not hard to focus on team or faction mates in the most dire of times. Blacklisting/forceful filtering is the worst and most extreme action you can take against someone and is incredibly disrespectful, no matter how disrespect the other person is being.

    I still think gagging Duke was one of the worse things PWI has done.
    Obvious troll is obvious.
  • KrittyCat - Dreamweaver
    KrittyCat - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,273 Arc User
    edited April 2010
    Yup Janus...and yet look how many people reply to him...wow...
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