TW Suggestions <3

heres one for ya mono, if the map was reset everyo 6 months there would be large factions brekaing and new factions forming for theland grab pve wars. it would promote new factions and reforming and it would mix it up a lot.

Kimyrielle - Heavens Tear wrote: »

The TW system cannot be salvaged without completing tossing it into the bin and coming up with something totally new. Want proof? Look at the territory map. 'nuff said.
The way the system is designed it will always end up with less than a handful of guilds owning the entire map, meaning that it's pointless. TW is easily the worst PvP "system" I have ever seen in an MMO and I have seen a lot.

Here is my suggestion: Look at Guild Wars, the people who made it had a clue about good PvP. Copy, paste and adapt. Sometimes it's a good idea to learn from the best.

I want to be in the Olympics and win a gold medal. They should change the rules so everyone can compete... sure I eat a lot of Doritos and Coke and like to sit on my couch in front of my TV all day, but I think I should be allowed to compete. I mean, it's not fair when only a select few people get to have all the fun.

b:surrender

On a serious note...

Any faction owning say, more than a half dozen lands should be subjected to HIGH LEVEL npc attacks. Not the wimpy original lvl 60ish lvl1, 70ish lvl2 NPC land wars, but more similar to a rush like Rebirth or something. Having these happen randomly during the week when people aren't prepared would be interesting as well.

Just in response to the thing about 6 month reset, that would mean that no one could every fight for and take the entire map, one year or a year and a half would be a better section of time if you really want that. Also, PvE TW's suck if your at any decent level ._.

Kimyrielle - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Here is my suggestion: Look at Guild Wars, the people who made it had a clue about good PvP. Copy, paste and adapt. Sometimes it's a good idea to learn from the best.

Except when it came to listening to the whinny cry babies there.

Change the crystal to a Cash machine ... 1st to swipe their card wins.


But seriously:

1) Remove the ability to fly over base walls. Being able to do so makes building towers as effective as the Maginot line

2) Change the Flawed "kill a crystal" system to a timed " capture and hold X amount of flags/bases.

3) limit the number of TW's any one player can participate in to one a session ( If you have fought and won in Battle A you cant jump out and run to Battle B ). Lets see the Big Factions use Tactics and not just a rush of numbers.

4) None of the above really matter since no changes will be made

The one issue here that you aren't going to fix is that a lot of the bigger players who put money on this game can be prone to hopping to the faction that

1) is winning
2) is most likely to win against the current dominating faction

Those that faction hop for reason number one are in it for any potential profit and gain they might scrape up in TW, and possibly more so because they think that being part of the domination faction somehow makes them cool.

For number two, it's probably because if they become part of the faction that beats and overthrows a dominating faction... they still look cool.

I'm not saying all the higher level, cash shopping players do this; I know many that are loyal to their factions and just TW for the fun of it all. But sadly good sportsmanship is not on everybody's mind and people will join the winners to have a chance at fame and glory where they feel they wouldn't have that chance anywhere else.

It's not a major contributing factor but it's certainly something that can cause effects in TW, including the likelihood of a faction winning.

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary wrote: »

Last time we discussed this, the most sensible suggestion was for a fix that requires almost no coding change - replace the convoluted scheduling system with a simple one (Asterelle suggested all TWs same time, but you could just randomly fit them in 4 slots or anything else easy to code). Addressing the fact that the most you ever have to defend is a 240 vs 200 is the simplest and fairest way to revitalize TW (and make PW a lot of money for almost 0 cost).

That's really not fair at all. If there is a faction that could manage to get on the map who might not have 160+ online at one time (there aren't that many dominant factions that could fill two TW instances to fight two factor wars at the same time)... they might be able to take a couple of lands, then it would become impossible for them to defend them all.

I think this would benefit the largest land holders more than it would up and coming factions. The biggest factions can sometimes defend multiple attacks, many of the less dominant factions who can get on the map may not be able to. Of course, I speak from LC's current state where our map is decently colorful at the moment.

Removing or raising the limit on the number of simultaneous attacks is only god for one thing, it will help other factions get on the map, but it will keep factions that aren't dominant from taking more than a land or two. Might as well just reset the map, or reset everyone's levels, or just wipe the server clean and start over.

I honestly don't think that there are that many factions that will go to the trouble of gearing up, making sure everyone is charmed, has pk pots, attack and defense charms.... Many smaller factions will want the experience a few times, but after facing a war that lasts an hour or two will collectively decide that it's just too expensive for them to do and just go about their regular business.

In almost every faction I've been in, everyone wants TW, they scream for it, but aren't willing to help pay for the cost of towers, cata scrolls, helping to pay the costs for the cata pullers, making sure they're charmed and stocked up with apo pills... it's a lot of work that pushes the typical leveling and BHing off to the side, and sure they scream they want TW but when it comes down to it, they won't dedicate the time, money or effort to actually doing it.

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Removing or raising the limit on the number of simultaneous attacks is only god for one thing, it will help other factions get on the map, but it will keep factions that aren't dominant from taking more than a land or two. Might as well just reset the map, or reset everyone's levels, or just wipe the server clean and start over.

Ehh pretty much anything is better than the current system. Raising the limit from 3 to 5 or just removing the limit all together seems easy. I think we can agree 3 is too small for a guild that holds more than lets say 10 lands. Just changing that would make maps much more colorful and would make it difficult for one guild to hold all.

Raising the limit on simultaneous attacks does nothing to guilds who hold 3 lands or less so it does not make holding less than 3 lands more challenging than it currently is.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Ehh pretty much anything is better than the current system. Raising the limit from 3 to 5 or just removing the limit all together seems easy. I think we can agree 3 is too small for a guild that holds more than lets say 10 lands. Just changing that would make maps much more colorful and would make it difficult for one guild to hold all.

Raising the limit on simultaneous attacks does nothing to guilds who hold 3 lands or less so it does not make holding less than 3 lands more challenging than it currently is.

Yeah, I agree raising the limit would make the map more colorful, but it would also make the 2nd tier TW factions less likely to actually hold land, and any fixes should help these factions without being unfair to the strongest factions.

More than a few times over LC's history I've seen smaller factions with 3-5 lands lose most of their lands because a factor attacks them, then the rest of the smaller factions double and triple attack to rob their land, and I think that is really despicable and I can't do anything but feel bad for them.

I don't want to see the map held by one or two factions... I'd really like to see a LOT of factions doing TW, I just don't see how this change would actually benefit the smaller guilds except give them a free land only to be taken back the next week by someone else and I see this change as being more unfair to the mid size factions with real asperations of holding a few territories than one of the dominant ones.

I still like my idea and I'm actually growing more fond of it the more I think about it. Having randomly spawned NPC attacks on territories during the week would be great. This would bring a bit of excitement, a bit of spontaneity, and in case the territory holder can muster the strength to defend, would lose a land that would be free for bidding that week. Sure, it would be a bit difficult to implement, but at this point we all know nothing is likely to change, so I might as well have my own idea how to make a handicap fair and fun and maintain some semblance of fairness.

Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »

Guilds should hold as much land as they are capable of defending from their neighbors and non-land holding factions. That seems fair.

Still, smaller factions wouldn't even be able to defend a couple squads from a dominating guild... There's one guild on LC, SG1OWNS... they're a relatively full guild with at least 160 members. 7 people wiped them out in TW and took their land. I know it's the exception, but this was one of the more prominent mid=level guilds on the server. Having a dominant faction defend against attacks from 4 non-factor guilds won't mean much... just a defending party to keep people off the crystal long enough for them to finish other wars.

Sure, guilds have gotten stronger since all the fast leveling has been introduced, but most guilds on any given server just can't compete with a couple squads of well-geared 10x. Opening up the lands to more attacks will most likely hurt the 2nd tier TW guilds who might be able to put one TW team up to fight, but would be spread too thin for simultaneous attacks/defends to keep them from actually holding onto any land...

I'd actually like to see other guilds actually hold onto lands, but I don't really see this as fair for them. To me this would only be more incentive for the dominating factions to cash shop and refine further. Just my opinion, of course.

Gasoline - Lost City wrote: »

Everyone in opposing factions shall sell their cars in real life - they can also sell their organs if they live in a country that allows it. Than use the money to hyper/oracle to 100+ and get all the DDs in guild Rank8 or Nirvana +12 and full set +10 refines for the cata pullers and healers. Than there will be no problem taking down any bigger faction that dominates the map and gets free 500+ mil each week.

In the end how ever everyone that wants to compete in TW will be 100+ with +10+12 refines. Finally TW will be all about skills and strategy since everyone sold everything they have irl to get best gear possible to compete in a video game.

Im also pretty sure that PWI likes my suggestion b:cute

I like your dark humour...