Happy April Fool's Day - from FakeBid

Crystabella - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Its not a case of being butthurt, it's a case of someone deliberately averting the course of bidding for their own selfishness.

You not only altered TW for Enrage but also for the other factions that bid and won TW's this weekend. In the past many have bid the way you have with 40-50 members (alts etc) with the intention of showing and still been banned for fake bidding, so I hope you enjoy your few weeks off

I didnt think this had anything to do with Tao until you started trying to claim that you hate them most, yet you targeted Enrage this week....makes no sense what so ever.

If something isnt done about this then be ready for week in and week out of fake bidding and TW manipulation.

Oh and tell your brother to pull his application from Enrage...like we would accept his sorry **** after this. b:chuckle

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear · April 2010

I dont think GMs even read these forums anymore to be honest

Edit:
lol

StormChaos - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Becareful what you wish for b:pleased

rofl - factions wipe other tw factions if they see its worth it - there is no mercy in HT war. They didnt wipe out 3rd faction coz they have lots to lose if things go wrong.
IMO Atm they are TWing to settle their thing before rather than after
If Tao wasnt blocked from bidding on Rad.. today you would have Gank bids that would **** up Tao's or Enrage's weekends randomly.. erm
...This is why lowbies should not bid nor have a say about this matter, its just to complicated to understand i gues.

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edit2:
Currently there is a revolution of alt factions comming up, gotta make level 20 alt and see what happens rofl

LonelyMoon - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Crystabella - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh and tell your brother to pull his application from Enrage...like we would accept his sorry **** after this. b:chuckle

- plz keep up to date before u post, he withdrew his application weeks ago ... and from wat u said his application wasnt reject, ty for that admission

The Faction I made has a purpose and a plan, this is merely step one of my plan ... my friends who join are here for fun and kno I have a goal ... as in the past I've proven a no name faction was able to win TW land with ~30 Members, max refund at the time was idk 30-50 mil? 1 vs 1 a land owner Faction, granted they were down, but a win is still a win ... strategy, timing ... isnt this wat we all want in TW? instead of just overpowering

Is Enrage or any of the land owning Factions attack bids guranteed wins? when they bid can no other land bid? ... if so, then y have TW bid? give land owning Factions priority attack choice ... Control was always in Enrage hand, they have greater resources and junk ... they had every opportunity to win attack bid with a real bid, not by outbidding by 100k ... so it can be preceived they didnt really wanna win the bid or invest enough money into securing the bid ... plus a source told me that they were happy they didnt have to make roster for attack

- "Hating sum1 doesnt mean u have to do it publicly; u can use voodoo in private."
- "Attacking an enemie's enemy, doesnt make us friends; just mean I have enough negative energy for one more"

Seriously, it would be unjust for me to be stop here so early in my plans ... wat motivations would any other young, aspiring TW Faction have? ... there is sumthing I need from this TW bid win ... if a GM sees this and is curious to my plans, I have no problems talking with them privately to discuss the validity of my actions and future actions

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear · April 2010

for sure upcomming factions cant afford to bid 200mil and major guilds can. And big factions have used and abused the coin cap in TW bids on HT more than once by now imo.

But as I said the Devs and Gms would rly have to work on at least some criteria for bid's, or we will end up with Real, Block, Fake, Noodle, Tuna, Cadilac and Snif - Bids guilds soon.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · April 2010

LonelyMoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

- plz keep up to date before u post, he withdrew his application weeks ago ... and from wat u said his application wasnt reject, ty for that admission

The Faction I made has a purpose and a plan, this is merely step one of my plan ... my friends who join are here for fun and kno I have a goal ... as in the past I've proven a no name faction was able to win TW land with ~30 Members, max refund at the time was idk 30-50 mil? 1 vs 1 a land owner Faction, granted they were down, but a win is still a win ... strategy, timing ... isnt this wat we all want in TW? instead of just overpowering

Is Enrage or any of the land owning Factions attack bids guranteed wins? when they bid can no other land bid? ... if so, then y have TW bid? give land owning Factions priority attack choice ... Control was always in Enrage hand, they have greater resources and junk ... they had every opportunity to win attack bid with a real bid, not by outbidding by 100k ... so it can be preceived they didnt really wanna win the bid or invest enough money into securing the bid ... plus a source told me that they were happy they didnt have to make roster for attack

- "Hating sum1 doesnt mean u have to do it publicly; u can use voodoo in private."
- "Attacking an enemie's enemy, doesnt make us friends; just mean I have enough negative energy for one more"

Seriously, it would be unjust for me to be stop here so early in my plans ... wat motivations would any other young, aspiring TW Faction have? ... there is sumthing I need from this TW bid win ... if a GM sees this and is curious to my plans, I have no problems talking with them privately to discuss the validity of my actions and future actions

Stop trying to talk in circles, your intentions were completely obvious and you are just backpedaling to avoid a justified ban.

There are quite a few people who rarely log for anything other than TW's and you are purposefully trying to disrupt their game play.

Darksylph - Heavens Tear · April 2010

LonelyMoon - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Seriously, it would be unjust for me to be stop here so early in my plans ... wat motivations would any other young, aspiring TW Faction have? ... there is sumthing I need from this TW bid win ... if a GM sees this and is curious to my plans, I have no problems talking with them privately to discuss the validity of my actions and future actions

Regardless of your motives, intentionally bid blocking is bannable regardless of the reasoning. Your goals could be the most benevolent in the world, or just having fun, regardless it is deviant behavior meant to rob people from enjoying the game when you had other alternatives. This is explicitly stated as against the ToS. When Enrage has done behavior such as this, everyone screams for bans, and bans have been wrought, so the same applies here.

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Darksylph - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Regardless of your motives, intentionally bid blocking is bannable regardless of the reasoning. Your goals could be the most benevolent in the world, or just having fun, regardless it is deviant behavior meant to rob people from enjoying the game when you had other alternatives. This is explicitly stated as against the ToS. When Enrage has done behavior such as this, everyone screams for bans, and bans have been wrought, so the same applies here.

Intentionall bid blockings are happening every week. Triad tried to bann TE coz of this before, Caesar had probs, also Rad - but they kinda managed to win the bid at the last minute.

And some other factions did complain via tickets also. Just that it didnt happen lately that a big faction gets overbid this way at last few seconds. No one was banned then lets see what happens now.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Intentionall bid blockings are happening every week. Triad tried to bann TE (in the days they had 5 ppl showing up) coz of this before, Caesar had probs also Rad - but they kinda manage to win at last minute.

And some other factions did complain via tickets also. Just that it didnt happen lately that big faction gets overbid this way. No one was banned then lets see what happens now.

There is a difference between real TW factions and intentional fake bidding hence the factions name "FakeBids".

I can name quite a few of these fake factions that did this and it resulted in a ban.

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear · April 2010

I agree - even made a post to general section so Gms would so something
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=679282

but if they dont change the bid system and TW things soon - this sorta things will go
Well lets see what happens, hes not banned yet and GMs are fast doing that at least.

Shifong - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Mono, I think those guilds outbidding eachother just wants to join a gank on a land holding faction. Outbidding enrage to attack Tao who has more then enough territory to bid on anyway... i wonder what the motives are. I sure can't think of any, except for preventing enrage from gaining land for whatever reason. Then again, i don't know where which guilds are attacking since i can't login pwi for the next few days.

LonelyMoon - Heavens Tear · April 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Stop trying to talk in circles, your intentions were completely obvious and you are just backpedaling to avoid a justified ban.

sorry if it appears Im talking in circles to you, perhaps ur brain doesnt have the capacity to absorb and comprehend complex ideas and ur mind has a limited distance it can go before it has to return to the center to recharge? ... u kno like a dog on a leash has a limit it can go but can walk in a big circle?

As for my intentions? u said "completely obvious"? werent u the one on world chat accusing of a collaboration with Tao ... should be obvious it wasnt if u were an intelligent person ... o wait there we go, we've identified the problem again with ur inability to reason intelligently ... it'll be alrite little buddy as long as we work together we can overcome anything!!

So since when is the goal of winning a TW bid no longer a valid reason to bid? isn't that wat everyone is doing? (I just wanted to be popular & do wat everone was doing) As I recall Enrage also had alternative places to bid after I had out-bidded them the first time ... and from my pm's with Enrage leader he spoke of letting me win if the bidding got high enough, I just didnt think ~1.1 million was that high? ... Seriously Enrage was trying to save money and thats wat I did for them, saved them on attack fees ... u guys should thank me as some of ur members have in pm's so many times so far (my sarcasm meter was broken so I assume they were all honest and sincere)

jaeseu · April 2010

I don't know what exactly is going on but just from a little bit that I bothered to read, I will say this:

If LonelyMoon created a faction under a different name would s/he (sorry, unsure lol, correct me later) have been blamed for 'fake bidding' still? It's just a name...relax...maybe to get people all antsy and acting like children like people are doing now.

Also, it's just a freaking game. TW is every week so you'll get your chance to bid again next week, the week after that, and the week after that and so on. If you're upset that you didn't get a chance to TW with someone, tell your leader to bid faster lol. XD

Anyway, if LonelyMoon&Fakebids intend to do TW this weekend, I honestly don't see a problem and don't think that it merits a ban. =|

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear · April 2010

no bans

GM responded

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=679282

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Monoftalmus - Heavens Tear wrote: »

no bans

GM responded

http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=679282

of course not... why would anyone without an enrage name over their name be banned anyways.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · April 2010

jaeseu wrote: »

I don't know what exactly is going on but just from a little bit that I bothered to read, I will say this:

If LonelyMoon created a faction under a different name would s/he (sorry, unsure lol, correct me later) have been blamed for 'fake bidding' still? It's just a name...relax...maybe to get people all antsy and acting like children like people are doing now.

Also, it's just a freaking game. TW is every week so you'll get your chance to bid again next week, the week after that, and the week after that and so on. If you're upset that you didn't get a chance to TW with someone, tell your leader to bid faster lol. XD

Anyway, if LonelyMoon&Fakebids intend to do TW this weekend, I honestly don't see a problem and don't think that it merits a ban. =|

Read more than a "little bit" before posting moron. It's a guild with 2 ppl.

Raviste - Heavens Tear · April 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Read more than a "little bit" before posting moron. It's a guild with 2 ppl.

No it's not. Ask Tao after Saturday night fight to see if it has two people or not.

ChaoticTears - Harshlands · April 2010

Hey atleast Enrage still have two Tw's vs Tao this week.

The Enrage defence of plain of fairwells

Then the 2nd when they all log their alts into TE b:chuckle

LonelyMoon - Heavens Tear · April 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Read more than a "little bit" before posting moron. It's a guild with 2 ppl.

tsk tsk Sgt, that's no way to talk to other players ... u could appear to be uncouth *gasp ... but then again u are a submoron so maybe its the best behavior u can demonstrate

- a guild with 2 ppl? so if more then 2 ppl show up for TW this weekend will u make public the paperworks from the government as to why u were neutered by the vet?

Shankie - Heavens Tear · April 2010

lol..........

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Oookay..it's not a fake bid, end of story.
Just simply is a faction of a circle of friends/family and what not, who decided to TW and have fun in their own little way.
They could bid anywhere they want to, but they chose to try their luck against Enrage, there's nothing wrong with that, besides the fact its an **** move.
But it's allowed, and noone should be QQing over this.
If they didn't end up winning the bid, 100% chance none of this QQing would have started because it wouldn't have been an issue. But a select few people got so hurt over it because they got beat.

I'm too tired to explain myself, I'll edit it if I think of anything else to say.

Miugre - Heavens Tear · April 2010

I'm just one of those random every-men like the guy on the last page, but I gotta point out one thing:

If Enrage markets themselves as the "no rules" faction, then they don't have room to complain when someone else goes "no rules" on them. Intention aside, bannabiilty aside, they have no room to complain if their own philosophy is turned against them.

Also, I love how every one of these threads just devolves into screaming matches over TW reform. You know how I'd reform TW? Abolish it entirely. It'd be nice to cross an area border without seeing a fac name across the top of my screen like a massive e-wang. :P

LonelyMoon - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oookay..it's not a fake bid, end of story.
Just simply is a faction of a circle of friends/family and what not, who decided to TW and have fun in their own little way.
They could bid anywhere they want to, but they chose to try their luck against Enrage, there's nothing wrong with that, besides the fact its an **** move.
But it's allowed, and noone should be QQing over this.
If they didn't end up winning the bid, 100% chance none of this QQing would have started because it wouldn't have been an issue. But a select few people got so hurt over it because they got beat.

I'm too tired to explain myself, I'll edit it if I think of anything else to say.

quoted for the truth

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I'm just one of those random every-men like the guy on the last page, but I gotta point out one thing:

If Enrage markets themselves as the "no rules" faction, then they don't have room to complain when someone else goes "no rules" on them. Intention aside, bannabiilty aside, they have no room to complain if their own philosophy is turned against them.

Also, I love how every one of these threads just devolves into screaming matches over TW reform. You know how I'd reform TW? Abolish it entirely. It'd be nice to cross an area border without seeing a fac name across the top of my screen like a massive e-wang. :P

Of course within enrage there is no rules. but we're no operating with enrage are we. pw has forced pwi rules on every enrage member by banning them as they (gms) see fit. and since enrage is in a way forced to ably by the rules... they are entitles to contest. and if any gm want to come along and take away enrage's right to complain (and in process take away the need for enrage to ably by the rules)... i'll be the first out there luring every last aoe boss to safe zones.

what is happening is that the gms are selectively enforcing the rules... and since this is their game... i have no say. but what i can do is bid with my own guild next week and see where that leads.

Garrand - Heavens Tear · April 2010

*tw is abolished*

*PWI closes down after summer*

ahem... all the major TW factions are potentially at risk from this. looks like we are gonna have to start putting a higher base bid down >.<''

Knownase - Heavens Tear · April 2010

I love how no one made a TW thread for this weekend, guess its not worth it with all thats been happening.b:chuckle

Miugre - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Of course within enrage there is no rules. but we're no operating with enrage are we. pw has forced pwi rules on every enrage member by banning them as they (gms) see fit. and since enrage is in a way forced to ably by the rules... they are entitles to contest. and if any gm want to come along and take away enrage's right to complain (and in process take away the need for enrage to ably by the rules)... i'll be the first out there luring every last aoe boss to safe zones.

Just because your fac's more visible and has more of a rep for breaking rules doesn't mean the GMs are being selective. You really think they'd be that petty? If they WERE selective, they'd be favoring facs like Enrage and Tao instead for the amount of money they spend on the CS. They have nothing to gain from some personal vendetta against Enrage - and this is why people tell Enrage to "get over themselves."

Yeah, they're gonna watch facs like Enrage, because you're pulling bosses to safezones and whatnot (which is just low, btw... faction politics is one thing but that's inflicting **** on innocents). So if they're selective in anything, it's monitoring.

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just because your fac's more visible and has more of a rep for breaking rules doesn't mean the GMs are being selective. You really think they'd be that petty? If they WERE selective, they'd be favoring facs like Enrage and Tao instead for the amount of money they spend on the CS. They have nothing to gain from some personal vendetta against Enrage - and this is why people tell Enrage to "get over themselves."

Yeah, they're gonna watch facs like Enrage, because you're pulling bosses to safezones and whatnot (which is just low, btw... faction politics is one thing but that's inflicting **** on innocents). So if they're selective in anything, it's monitoring.

Guess you wouldn't understand but the GM's have ALWAYS been bias against Enrage and I welcome even encourage them to post in this thread denouncing that claim, I won't hold my breath.

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear · April 2010

It's actually happened alot in the past were GMs played favourites..proven many times

Best example is when oracles first came out and Enrage was KSing them
About 10 members were banned, even the ones who were just watching
Even 1 of them who was afk in west arch because she was married to someone Ksing..

jaeseu · April 2010

SgtSIaughter - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Read more than a "little bit" before posting moron. It's a guild with 2 ppl.

I'm not going to waste my time trying to read five-page-worth of childish wall of text/complaints on something over a freaking TW and let my IQ drop by the dozen from the stupidity. Perhaps YOU should've been the one to bother even reading at least the first post because obviously you didn't seem to catch the part where LonelyMoon stated "invited are friends from my inner circle and ALL are eligible for first TW on Friday, all have 100 hours" and I'm pretty sure with LonelyMoon being the level s/he is, s/he has more than one friend.

Anyway, stop being a sore loser just because your faction or whoever you're trying to defend didn't get the winning bid. It's just a game ffs, and lucky you, TW occurs every week so you can just get off your whiny **** and try again next time. =| Jeez.

Edit: And I'd like to add that I believe awhile back, there was a one-player ran faction (meaning, he was the only one in it) and he won a bid thing I think for a Radiance territory and he, too, was going to attend that TW even though he would be the only one on his side. Did anyone complain? No.

Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear · April 2010

Miugre - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just because your fac's more visible and has more of a rep for breaking rules doesn't mean the GMs are being selective. You really think they'd be that petty? If they WERE selective, they'd be favoring facs like Enrage and Tao instead for the amount of money they spend on the CS. They have nothing to gain from some personal vendetta against Enrage - and this is why people tell Enrage to "get over themselves."

Yeah, they're gonna watch facs like Enrage, because you're pulling bosses to safezones and whatnot (which is just low, btw... faction politics is one thing but that's inflicting **** on innocents). So if they're selective in anything, it's monitoring.

its kinda hard to get over ourselves when people like you put us on a pedestal. and yes... i am pretty sure they are that petty... i mean come on... a gm have even helped another fraction kill a wb (soul hunter) when they are fighting over it with enrage members. you don't get any more favorism then that.
as a member of enrage... i don't give a **** even if enrage has rules. if some member **** me over... i won't be crying to marin over it... i'll wait for the opportunity to **** them over. but sadly... pwi is bigger then enrage and enrage is part of pwi... and i am still bounded by pwi rules. so that give me every right to complain til my hearts desire. BUT if we can come to an agreement that all matter of pwi is part of enrage (aka no rules)... you won't see me complain about anything else again.

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