Archers DO suck

Aldryami - Sanctuary wrote: »

The barb who made the post about archers sucking was right. Against a character with gear all refined to +12 we simply can't do enough damage with our little pins. Conversely a +12ed archer can easily be splatted by, say, a barb.

I'm aware no one on pwi has yet obtained such gear but still, we should be looking to our future....

Against such end game, maxed gear, level 150 (it will happen) opponents, maxing Attack becomes more important than maxing crit. We will be begging for our little crits to do more damage to make kills speedily. Even interval gear and demon quickshot don't help enough.

Thats why my main is now an assasin. Sins can stack skills and sparks to make their crits count.

In my opinion the Archer class is in dire need of a rehaul.

the difference between fully buffed opponents and unbuffed opponents is enormous, especially at endgame with sage/demon buffs. archers probably just need a pdef debuff. there is not much you can do to fully buffed endgame robes with over 14k pdef except hope for purge or a string of crits.

qq u wrong, we have an archer on our server with few nirvana gear and almost all of his gear is +12, he is one scary beast

etheria wrote: »

they dont suck. b:scorn




PS: UNBUFFED.

thats lvl 150 archer >;o

Archers_Soul - Lost City wrote: »

who is it?

@. And FYI, that link must have 2 pdef ornaments on it.. b/c 18k hp/ 5k mdef wouldn't be tough to one shot.. ijs.

Adroit - Lost City wrote: »

@. And FYI, that link must have 2 pdef ornaments on it.. b/c 18k hp/ 5k mdef wouldn't be tough to one shot.. ijs.

Insomnia a good archer? b:laugh

its all class'ist these days
i think if u slate a class youve never played or dont like for no reason, its just dumb

sure, im squishy..b:sad, but i would put up a hel ov a fight b:shocked

Msmunholy - Lost City wrote: »

u guys must just suck...

your an archer for god sakes ofcorse we r squishy, that is y we have skills that absorb damg, make us immune and ruduce dmg, increas evation 1000% ( basicly invincible to physical attks). And not to mention max rage peps with stuns and freezes.

u stun hit stun, unload as much dmg as u can. if not dead use some of those fancy dmg reducing skills kite and proced from step one.

roar of the pride is magical, so it never misses. after you are stunned, ur evasion buff is over thx to that skill.

Aldryami - Sanctuary wrote: »

The barb who made the post about archers sucking was right. Against a character with gear all refined to +12 we simply can't do enough damage with our little pins. Conversely a +12ed archer can easily be splatted by, say, a barb.

I'm aware no one on pwi has yet obtained such gear but still, we should be looking to our future....

Against such end game, maxed gear, level 150 (it will happen) opponents, maxing Attack becomes more important than maxing crit. We will be begging for our little crits to do more damage to make kills speedily. Even interval gear and demon quickshot don't help enough.

Thats why my main is now an assasin. Sins can stack skills and sparks to make their crits count.

In my opinion the Archer class is in dire need of a rehaul.

please take your stupid private server discussion elsewhere. the known level cap is 105, there are plenty of people on LC and HL with +12 gear, and over half of the PK ranking list on every server is an archer.

our defense may blow compared to the other classes, but we are far off from sucking.

I've got to agree archer defenses are anything but perfect but let's get real. PvP is all about ganking. you don't see players with all items +12 everywhere (i've never seen any player with all items maxed) and even though a single archer fails to PK a barb, that doesn't mean the archer fails. they still deal excellent damage on arcanes and even on light wearers. after all there are wizzies and psys to pk barbs^^

sometimes it's just useless to try to fight cashshopasauruses, when you hit 700s with physical attack on a buffed robe there is not much you can do except wait for purge to proc while they are very much capable of 1 shotting you, but thankfully such mages who crit 8k with pyrogram are not that common. i would just say he spent a lot more than i'm willing to spend, end of story.

but keep this in mind:
archers don't have high damage physical skills that don't require long periods of channeling. this is a class that depends on attack speed to kill a robe, but it has the slowest physical weapon in the game. have you ever wondered why, for some odd reason, it is the archer 8jun equipment that gives -0.2s interval on the rank chest and weapon combined, and not say, bms or barbs?

it's because archers would suck too hard endgame without it.

slow weapon, no high damaging skills -> fail

also, archers get to use both attack charms and higher level arrows, so they can potentially have the highest base damage of any class

my conclusion is that the class itself is inferior endgame, while offset by the attributes on the equipment available to them. i guess you can call that fair.

Aldryami - Sanctuary wrote: »

The barb who made the post about archers sucking was right. Against a character with gear all refined to +12 we simply can't do enough damage with our little pins. Conversely a +12ed archer can easily be splatted by, say, a barb.

I'm aware no one on pwi has yet obtained such gear but still, we should be looking to our future....

Against such end game, maxed gear, level 150 (it will happen) opponents, maxing Attack becomes more important than maxing crit. We will be begging for our little crits to do more damage to make kills speedily. Even interval gear and demon quickshot don't help enough.

Thats why my main is now an assasin. Sins can stack skills and sparks to make their crits count.

In my opinion the Archer class is in dire need of a rehaul.

Im pretty sure no class can solo a barb with Nirvana full set +12 lol

Even a rank 8 wizard would have some major problems, unless he pulled of some frenzy, amp, ice dragon crit for 20k. Which its rather tricky to pull of 1v1 with when you have to deal with long channeling, stuns, kiting and interruptions and immune skills.

In most cases you would need 2-3 people for a +12 barb. Veno for debuff, a BM for dragon, archer for ST and wiz for damage. Than maybe the +12 barb would drop after his charm ticked like 50 times.

And yes its rather silly that the barb on the other hand could easily drop any other class with a full set +12 refines by himself.

But there has always been an unbalance in PWI between the classes, archers kinda being on the bottom there. No spike dmg at all and very squishy So if you wanna compete as archer you need to spend a couple of thousand $$ on gear to be decent.

Aldryami - Sanctuary wrote: »

I agree that + 12ed robes are beatable if they are debuffed but against a +12ed barb there is very little hope. A +12ed archer is squishable whatever the case.

i dnt think you would beat a +12 barb unless ur a mage with a +12 wep and used sage black ice dragon..archers are not underpowered but at 90+ they do take more skill then before

etheria wrote: »

they dont suck. b:scorn




PS: UNBUFFED.

Showing private server stats is hardly credible.



Sure, this shows that a wizard can have some uber high defenses / HP / Attack power. But half his gear is near to impossible to obtain without forking out a years worth of paychecks.

Msmunholy - Lost City wrote: »

lol, ok roar of pride... 1 skill. and tell me how that is goin to hit me when they stuned out of range? im not sayin that archers cant be killed, just that if u know how to paly an archer you can kill peps b4 they get to u and if you need, kite till stuns are recharged

and ur an archer arguing aginst em. i do just fine in pvp, mabey u should make a BM and get roar of the pride

you are assuming you are the one that hits first. and probably also assuming you have at least one spark and a half. (1 spark for Aim Low, 50 chi for ThunderShock. And remember, after you used ur chi for Blessing of the Condor, u might not have chi for ThunderShock,), No way u can kill a barbarian of your level before he reaches you UNLESS YOU ARE CHI'ED UP. Cause our stunning arrow doesnt do ****. Sure I do fine in PvP too, Im just sayin...

Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Showing private server stats is hardly credible.



Sure, this shows that a wizard can have some uber high defenses / HP / Attack power. But half his gear is near to impossible to obtain without forking out a years worth of paychecks.

imagine if that wizards MP charm ticked.