Air vs Ground

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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    1. I have spent $75 on this game, that was well over a year ago.
    2. I am #1 on the PK rankings in HT, explain to me how that makes me a fail PKer

    I want my $100 please..

    I'd love to see a screenshot with your stats the way you say they are.. it would be nearly impossible to get the gear required for that without massive cash shop.

    PK rankings..
    a) mean absolutely nothing
    b) aren't even displayed anymore (unless they've re-added it since the forum redesign)
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Of course PK rankings mean *almost* nothing, I'm well aware of that, I only said it because you said I knew nothing about PK, but I proved you wrong by saying that.

    Here is my character build to prove to you, that my stats are what I said.
    Few things though, missing 200 some HP somewhere..not sure where, when I posted my attack, I was wearing a high magic attack ring that boosted it up, but the left ring I have on in this, is my usual one. So the attack is slightly lower.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=20d6932d2e001c3d

    Sorry Adroit, I'm not a noob, no matter how badly you want me to be one.

    I'm someone who actually works for what they get, I spent countless hours of hard work to get the stuff I have today, I've been playing since this game first came out almost, and I'm still working my butt off to better my gear.

    Edit: Posted the wrong url, fixed.
  • Ursa - Dreamweaver
    Ursa - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,634 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    lolsauce...
    so , basically you posted a full buffed char as your "everyday" build.
    Nice, but fail.

    taking out all buffs, u end up with a shytload of HP (9600) but 7k-8k magic attk (that will hurt some endgame char as much as a lvl 80 wizard - non factor) and undined under 5k mdef.

    Like I said a few posts back, PK-ing nubs with Alt+F1 must be very demanding.
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Uh yea..you think i meant those stats unbuffed?
    get real lol

    Try to find a level 100+ with mag def above what I have, it's standard, so that argument you posted is invalid.

    My magic attack is fine, I can solo heal any TT boss minus armageddon/emperor
    I've one shot BMs and barbs my level before
    my build is designed to what I like, and what I think is best b:bye

    Can you find many venos that have the stats like I do?
    Surely, but not many.

    Your attempt to upset me with the Alt+F1 key to kill nubs didn't succeed.
    I'm sorry, I know my status in my server in PvE and PvP, and I like the way I am, if you think I am fail just because of what I post, then GG to you b:surrender

    Also, where did I say that was my everyday build? You just added that in there yourself O.o
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    i think venos are not as dependent on their base damage as some other classes are in order to kill people, notably because they have their debuffs and a pet.

    as for archers, they have skills that allow them to temporarily take hits, but they don't last forever. there's a time to run and a time to fight, knowing when to do either is what makes you unfail.

    if you don't call kiting showing skill, i'll call it showing common sense. whatever
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Of course PK rankings mean *almost* nothing, I'm well aware of that, I only said it because you said I knew nothing about PK, but I proved you wrong by saying that.

    Here is my character build to prove to you, that my stats are what I said.
    Few things though, missing 200 some HP somewhere..not sure where, when I posted my attack, I was wearing a high magic attack ring that boosted it up, but the left ring I have on in this, is my usual one. So the attack is slightly lower.

    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=20d6932d2e001c3d

    Sorry Adroit, I'm not a noob, no matter how badly you want me to be one.

    I'm someone who actually works for what they get, I spent countless hours of hard work to get the stuff I have today, I've been playing since this game first came out almost, and I'm still working my butt off to better my gear.

    Edit: Posted the wrong url, fixed.

    pk rankings mean absolutely nothing..

    Full buffed.. and in fox form.. I dunno why but I got the impression you were talking unbuffed. Having decent gear does not take you out of n00b status, being that you think kiting is dumb will permanently gimp you to n00b status. Fight someone with equivalent gear, or even someone with a +5 set that knows what they are doing would **** you... Gear isn't everything in this game =]
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Kiting is dumb for me, because I don't need to, I don't like doing it.
    If you think I'm a noob because I don't like to kite, then you have some very serious issues.

    I've killed people with equivalent gear as me, I've killed people with FAR better gear than me.
    Your attempts to prove me as a fail PKer are quite full of flaws.
    Honestly I do not care what people think of me as a PKer, especially someone whose never even seen me PK.

    I've killed many BARBS my level, with no nix, and I still do, why is this? Because I've been PKing with my veno for a long time now, and I know how to play it.

    If you don't like my play style, think I'm fail if you want, but gtfo b:bye
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Kiting is dumb for me, because I don't need to, I don't like doing it.
    If you think I'm a noob because I don't like to kite, then you have some very serious issues.

    I've killed people with equivalent gear as me, I've killed people with FAR better gear than me.
    Your attempts to prove me as a fail PKer are quite full of flaws.
    Honestly I do not care what people think of me as a PKer, especially someone whose never even seen me PK.

    I've killed many BARBS my level, with no nix, and I still do, why is this? Because I've been PKing with my veno for a long time now, and I know how to play it.

    If you don't like my play style, think I'm fail if you want, but gtfo b:bye

    squishy class that doesn't kite = fail. Plain and simple.
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Not really, if I'm not squishy, why do i need to kite?
    I had a 1v1 with one of the top BMs on our server, mostly +7 stuff with full savants, 99 gear
    +10 GXes, +7 deicides at the time, the fight lasted at least 7-8 minutes before he got me.
    The entire time, I stood there and took his hits O.o, sorry, but a squishy will not last 7-8 minutes against one of the top BMs on HT.

    Like I said, you reaaaally need to stop calling me fail if you've never seen me PK..
  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Not really, if I'm not squishy, why do i need to kite?
    I had a 1v1 with one of the top BMs on our server, mostly +7 stuff with full savants, 99 gear
    +10 GXes, +7 deicides at the time, the fight lasted at least 7-8 minutes before he got me.
    The entire time, I stood there and took his hits O.o, sorry, but a squishy will not last 7-8 minutes against one of the top BMs on HT.

    Like I said, you reaaaally need to stop calling me fail if you've never seen me PK..

    lol he prolly had bad fists b:laugh

    Unless you survived 8 min against fist by just standing there 0.0
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Not really, if I'm not squishy, why do i need to kite?
    I had a 1v1 with one of the top BMs on our server, mostly +7 stuff with full savants, 99 gear
    +10 GXes, +7 deicides at the time, the fight lasted at least 7-8 minutes before he got me.
    The entire time, I stood there and took his hits O.o, sorry, but a squishy will not last 7-8 minutes against one of the top BMs on HT.

    Like I said, you reaaaally need to stop calling me fail if you've never seen me PK..

    Saying you got killed by someone I don't even know doesn't "prove" anything, except that you die because you don't kite.. Any decent fist/claw BM with -interval would **** you if you just stood there.
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Your saying I'm fail, but you don't actually know me, so what you said there, I'm saying it to you.
    I told you, kiting is stupid in MY opinion, because it just uneccessarily prolongs a fight..if I could I would just hit someone..run..hit..run..hit..run..its stupid for me, because 99% of the time, I don't need to. If you think I'm fail because I kill people differently then you do, then by all means go ahead. b:bye
  • Ylime - Heavens Tear
    Ylime - Heavens Tear Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Well I think keeping ur enemy from running is half the fight
    and kiting is the only way u can handle huge groups on ur own, when it comes down to 5+ ppl attacking u speed > defense ._.
  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Your saying I'm fail, but you don't actually know me, so what you said there, I'm saying it to you.
    I told you, kiting is stupid in MY opinion, because it just uneccessarily prolongs a fight..if I could I would just hit someone..run..hit..run..hit..run..its stupid for me, because 99% of the time, I don't need to. If you think I'm fail because I kill people differently then you do, then by all means go ahead. b:bye

    I suppose the only reason kiting is "unnecessary" for you is because you are on a PvE server, if you were to fight someone decent, you wouldn't last long..

    Anyway, if I were to tell you that I like to PvP without a weapon.. because it is unnecessary, would you think I'm the uber 1337 pker? Hell I could camp around secret passage all day and pk lowbies to get to the top of the pk chart.. my weapon is not needed. It is just a game, so you can tell everyone to mind your own business, but somebody that pks without a weapon would still be fail in PvP.
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    People who think their bad **** on a PvP server b:chuckle
    cracks me up how pretty much everyone there thinks their automatically better then anyone on a PvE server.
    Done with this now pointless thread, was fun watching you try to chew me out b:laugh
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    People who think their bad **** on a PvP server b:chuckle
    cracks me up how pretty much everyone there thinks their automatically better then anyone on a PvE server.
    Done with this now pointless thread, was fun watching you try to chew me out b:laugh

    oh no, PvE server doesn't make you automatically a n00b, your comments on kiting did that.

    imo, PvP servers attract more competitive and possibly more "serious" gamers. Being that you don't get better without some tough competition, even the most naturally skilled players may not be challenged enough to really become amazing and likely the average player on a PvP server will be better at pvp than the average player on a PvE server. None of this means that if you roll on a PvE server that you auto fail or are bad, but I think your comments on kiting and overall pvp provide insight to how good you are.
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  • brownflamer
    brownflamer Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    People who think their bad **** on a PvP server b:chuckle
    cracks me up how pretty much everyone there thinks their automatically better then anyone on a PvE server.
    Done with this now pointless thread, was fun watching you try to chew me out b:laugh

    Sorry but I don't see u surviving against demon fist BM for more than 30 seconds by just standing there b:surrender

    Unless he forgot to put on his armor and got one shotted by you 0.0

    and yeah there are some fail PKers in PVP servers....but those are the minority( hopefullyb:sweat )
    PS......I'm half-joking b:mischievous
  • Xegeth - Dreamweaver
    Xegeth - Dreamweaver Posts: 389 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I got a 5x alt on Lost City and play there a lot atm. And I gotta say, most pvpers really are more skilled than the ones on a pve server (Probably me included, when I watch Haiz' pro vids b:surrender). For example the whole Air fight thing: On a pve server, most one on ones I know are just ground fights, I rarely see someone use aerocrafts. That is prolly because people only really go into pk mode once they can "kill everything" and only practice against the same few people. Also people on pve servers rarely just get jumped. Mostly it is just "duels with charm"... TW however is another experience, I wouldn't say that pvpers have the edge here.

    Oh and btw: I dunno how it is as a veno with Bramble Hood and a QQ Bird ready, but as a wizard I just have to kite. And my stats are not too bad. So stop generalizing your "non kiting" BS. It's true I only mostly see venos stand there and stun and bleed someone...
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  • Vlarkin - Heavens Tear
    Vlarkin - Heavens Tear Posts: 71 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    geez this thread is still goin b:chuckle as usual people from LC using their "immense" knowledge to attempt to prove others techniques are wrong. I still "prefer" not to kite, I cant kill some1 if i'm running like hell from them, no my gear isnt cash shopped either, all earned in game, sure isnt rank 8 but serves my purposes. As mystic says kiting is only prolonging the battle, if u know u can tank the damage while dealing more then why worry, might kite for a few secs on occasion just to allow a charm tick, but only if I have no choice, and as far as being in LC, honestly i would prefer to be, this is my 1st mmo an when i made my account i didnt pay attention to the server type and didnt really care for pvp anyway until I tried it >_>

    my stats so u can see my build

    Pure Dex Archer

    50 vit, 9 mag, 117 str, 461 dex (3 base vit an mag, 117 str for warsoul helm, great HP)

    Unbuffed stats ofc

    p atk = 9623-12895
    hp = 7261

    By no means the greatest, but not bad at all either
    gear is TT99 top, legs, wrists, event boots, warsoul helm, vigourous robe, +10 HS Bow, lunar ring, FF gold ring, sky demon pearl < not bad for p def an str to restat, Gold OHT belt, most gear is +7 all at least +5, so not to bad for a non cash shopper
  • Asperitas - Lost City
    Asperitas - Lost City Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    If you can take the damage, by all means do so. Nobody's saying you can't do that.

    But when the person in question is about to die, or will die, kiting is an option. Saying something like "Oh you kite, you're unskilled. If you know how to play your class you don't need to kite" is misleading, and could not be farther from the truth.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    If you can take the damage, by all means do so. Nobody's saying you can't do that.

    But when the person in question is about to die, or will die, kiting is an option. Saying something like "Oh you kite, you're unskilled. If you know how to play your class you don't need to kite" is misleading, and could not be farther from the truth.

    pretty much that, someone who thinks it is stupid to move away when you are about to die is stupid.
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  • _Cristian_ - Lost City
    _Cristian_ - Lost City Posts: 42 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    mystic i don't think you realize this but, archers don't usually have 13k hp and 10k+ pdef and mdef like you do. without kiting they would be dead in 5 seconds especially against an r8 archer with high refines. you're supposed to beat them. not stand there and let them beat the **** out of you


    P.S. i suppose a wizard is a fail too if they use distance shrink b:surrender
  • Boojangles - Lost City
    Boojangles - Lost City Posts: 153 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Simple as it may sound Kiting is one of the most effective/dangerous strats to have some one use against u. u cant kill some one if ur dead if u see death comming... move.


    But since u dont play on a pvp server heres a simple example.

    b:angryBarb vs heavy nix veno.b:angry




    move towards veno - fly up and away let nix give chase - use anti stun skill when nix is close to avoid its stun - make sure veno isnt in heal range - 3 spark purify bleed kill nix within 3-4 seconds tops move into the veno (who doesnt kite meaning u can forget about getting the nix back up) - if u started at max chi and ur lvl 89 + hit the veno once to gain a spark - use a 2 spark pot to gain ur 3rd spark back - attack till her heiro ticks - 3spark devour tangling mire Beastial onslought normal attacks GG.

    now had the veno ran away when it saw the 3 spark it would have lived. its not a perfect combo but u get the idea.
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  • Magicgabe - Lost City
    Magicgabe - Lost City Posts: 225 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    um.... what do yall exactly mean by kiting.

    I know that kiting is limited with clerics. Can't kite wizards and archers and venos cause they got too much range. BMs have that nasty red sprint leaving barbs as the only potential kitted class.

    For some classes its just easier to sit and tank out the damage.
    and bro...fyi this isn't a story.

    All people are idiodic but some are more idiotic than others.
  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Since I'm bored I'll reply to this thread again.
    Boojangles if the veno was smart they would either
    A: Bramble hood, while getting the nix back up
    B: purge the spark...
    C. Expel the barb while getting nix back up

    Purge is the most obvious one, that's a pretty bad veno if they are heavy armor, and don't purge the spark in time before dying.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Since I'm bored I'll reply to this thread again.
    Boojangles if the veno was smart they would either
    A: Bramble hood, while getting the nix back up
    B: purge the spark...
    C. Expel the barb while getting nix back up

    Purge is the most obvious one, that's a pretty bad veno if they are heavy armor, and don't purge the spark in time before dying.

    and what do u do if they stun you or domain the purge? It's not that hard to see a purge coming.. Or lets say you are fighting a rank 8 archer.. you just gonna sit there and tank that too? b:chuckle

    @Magicgabe.. its kinda hard to give a simple definition for kiting.. but it would include dropping (take half dmg) if you were in the air, maybe holy pathing away if you needed to.. Possibly taking a few steps back or jumping from a BM (if they stun you when you are at max height from a jump, they have a real tough time hitting you with any high dmg or stun skills) or basically any way of avoiding damage by moving away.

    So for instance, if I were fighting a fist BM (obviously mutli path but built for fists) I would just holy path away if they used a pk pot (like dew of star/stone turtle/vacculty) and wait for the duration to end, and lets say they come up to me and occult ice then triple spark.. I'd use fortify on my genie to resist their next stun and distance shrink/holy path away. Basically on the ground I would first distance shrink.. and if that was on cooldown I have holy path or simply walking/jumping away, and in the air I'd distance shrink.. use fuel and if all else fails just drop to take half damage.
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  • Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear
    Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,619 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    When someone sparks, I always use demon summer sprint.
    If he domains, cancel the purge and wait the 4 seconds for it to wear out.

    And actually yes, I have fought a r8 archer before with it being +10.
    mostly +7-8 gear with savant stones.
    And I killed him without resorting to running.
  • /NiKi - Lost City
    /NiKi - Lost City Posts: 306 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    what does demon summer have with spark?only what u get with it is immunity to movement debuffs..anyway

    everyone has theirs own style of playing,if u dont like being called failed maybe u shouldnt have
    call trans failed in the 1st place.
    if u dont like to kite,u dont have to but that means they fail cuz they dont play like u?lol
    there is some archers who dont kite,but most of them does.
  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    When someone sparks, I always use demon summer sprint.
    If he domains, cancel the purge and wait the 4 seconds for it to wear out.

    And actually yes, I have fought a r8 archer before with it being +10.
    mostly +7-8 gear with savant stones.
    And I killed him without resorting to running.

    If someone times it right, you won't be able to cancel in time.. anyway that goes back to PvE servers and from your description of PvP, everyone sucks and just asks to die.

    That r8 archer is TERRIBLE if he couldn't kill you while you were standing there. Maybe you are saying it is some fluke.. but what it sounds like, is you need some experience with people that know how to play this game (or you are exaggerating/lieing about everything..)
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