Heal pet Channeling Issues

Michiyuki - Heavens Tear
Michiyuki - Heavens Tear Posts: 54 Arc User
edited March 2010 in General Discussion
im currently just turned level 49 & i can tank Qingzi with my pet.

Only if another veno helps heal!
I was wondering when does the skill become faster because i know i can do it myself if only my pet heal didnt take so long to cast.

I have so far - 3 channeling & i heard that when yuh turn level 53 it becomes shorter and faster?

Is that true? xD

Basically im asking for pro veno help ^ ^ please & thank yuh b:cute
How much - channeling gear does it require to make Heal Pet fast xD
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  • WarTanks - Sanctuary
    WarTanks - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Michiyuki - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was wondering when does the skill become faster because i know i can do it myself if only my pet heal didnt take so long to cast.

    I have so far - 3 channeling & i heard that when yuh turn level 53 it becomes shorter and faster?

    Is that true? xD


    No. Leveling up your pet heal will not make the channeling time shorter. It will only make the healing stronger and the distance range farther. Whoever told you that leveling it will decrease your channeling time is full of BS.

    The way to decrease the channeling time is with gears that adds -3% or -6% channeling. Those percentage will stack up!

    And if you think the Veno Pet Heal channeling is long, you should see the Wiz heal...b:surrender But it's still pretty useful, if you know what you're doing. Pet Heal is one of the fastest channeling skill (Healing) out there.

    Edit: Right! As stated by some people below, the cool down time is also reduce when you lvl up the Pet Heal skill.
  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    No, levelling up heal pet doesn't make it faster - but it does improve the amount it heals.

    Which means that you don't need it as often.

    Channel gear though, ah channel. So much love for channel.

    Heal pet has a very short channel time, sadly - you're only knocking a tiny bit off the casting time for each 3% of channel improvement.
    You really start to notice it at about 9%

    The 53 heal should indeed let you do the first two 51 bosses. The wyvern at the end, however, remains difficult to solo until your late 60s even with a herc. He has a very nasty debuff, and there is no pet purify.
  • Michiyuki - Heavens Tear
    Michiyuki - Heavens Tear Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    oh okie thanks =D

    also i have a wizzie so i know the wizzie heals ^^

    thank yuh guys/girls b:victory
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  • Michiyuki - Heavens Tear
    Michiyuki - Heavens Tear Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    No, levelling up heal pet doesn't make it faster - but it does improve the amount it heals.

    Which means that you don't need it as often.

    Channel gear though, ah channel. So much love for channel.

    Heal pet has a very short channel time, sadly - you're only knocking a tiny bit off the casting time for each 3% of channel improvement.
    You really start to notice it at about 9%

    The 53 heal should indeed let you do the first two 51 bosses. The wyvern at the end, however, remains difficult to solo until your late 60s even with a herc. He has a very nasty debuff, and there is no pet purify.

    btw are their low level - channeling gear apart from my wheel of fate ? xD

    i would love to be able to heal faster and relax more
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  • Olivassin - Heavens Tear
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear Posts: 360 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    ermmm.... why am i the only one that thinks that lvling heal pet increases heals/sec?
    channeling is not reduced but cooldown is reduced (2.8s lvl1, 1s lvl10)
  • Solandri - Heavens Tear
    Solandri - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,843 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Michiyuki - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I was wondering when does the skill become faster because i know i can do it myself if only my pet heal didnt take so long to cast.

    I have so far - 3 channeling & i heard that when yuh turn level 53 it becomes shorter and faster?

    Is that true? xD
    The other two responses are the correct answer to the question you asked. But you asked the wrong question.

    Leveling up pet heal doesn't improve the channel time. That's the time from when you push the heal button and when it fires - it is the same for all levels of pet heal. But it does reduce the cooldown time. That's how long you have to wait before you can cast heal again. That means the time between heals will be reduced if you're spam healing, which has the same effect as reducing the channeling time.

    Level 43 pet heal has a 1.5 sec channel time and 2.0 sec cooldown, so when you're spam healing, you cast it once every 3.5 sec.

    Level 53 pet heal has a 1.5 sec channel time and 1.8 sec cooldown, so you'll cast it once every 3.3 sec while spam healing. That's 6% faster than with 43 pet heal. To achieve the same speedup with channeling gear would require going from 3% channeling to 16% channeling.

    So yeah, get the 53 pet heal and you'll have an easier time against Qingzi.
  • Olba - Sanctuary
    Olba - Sanctuary Posts: 1,776 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Olivassin - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ermmm.... why am i the only one that thinks that lvling heal pet increases heals/sec?
    channeling is not reduced but cooldown is reduced (2.8s lvl1, 1s lvl10)

    Because it was quite obvious that everyone else was talking about the channeling?
    If you disregard what I say because of who I am or because of the contents of what I said, you are a fool.

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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ahh yes. Yes, the annoying gap between heals does go away.
    Michiyuki - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    btw are their low level - channeling gear apart from my wheel of fate ? xD

    i would love to be able to heal faster and relax more

    Yes - you can get -channel randomly on pretty much any level of gear (that supports -channel, anyway) - but the low level stuff tends to be expensive. (Especially on pvp servers where there's a demand for -channel gear that can be used by blue names, for the rare pet taming)
  • Michiyuki - Heavens Tear
    Michiyuki - Heavens Tear Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    thank yuh all xD

    now i understand the whole healing system xD b:thanks


    thanks =D
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  • Michiyuki - Heavens Tear
    Michiyuki - Heavens Tear Posts: 54 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    The other two responses are the correct answer to the question you asked. But you asked the wrong question.

    Leveling up pet heal doesn't improve the channel time. That's the time from when you push the heal button and when it fires - it is the same for all levels of pet heal. But it does reduce the cooldown time. That's how long you have to wait before you can cast heal again. That means the time between heals will be reduced if you're spam healing, which has the same effect as reducing the channeling time.

    Level 43 pet heal has a 1.5 sec channel time and 2.0 sec cooldown, so when you're spam healing, you cast it once every 3.5 sec.

    Level 53 pet heal has a 1.5 sec channel time and 1.8 sec cooldown, so you'll cast it once every 3.3 sec while spam healing. That's 6% faster than with 43 pet heal. To achieve the same speedup with channeling gear would require going from 3% channeling to 16% channeling.

    So yeah, get the 53 pet heal and you'll have an easier time against Qingzi.


    oh okie =D

    ill take any -less seconds cooldown i can get
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  • ZAPATON - Sanctuary
    ZAPATON - Sanctuary Posts: 875 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Olba - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Because it was quite obvious that everyone else was talking about the channeling?
    Michiyuki - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    i heard that when yuh turn level 53 it becomes shorter and faster?

    Is that true? xD

    The OP was asking if it becomes faster, not only about the channeling. It does. Problem solved.
    Madness?

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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    The 53 heal should indeed let you do the first two 51 bosses. The wyvern at the end, however, remains difficult to solo until your late 60s even with a herc. He has a very nasty debuff, and there is no pet purify.
    rankar is not possible to pet-tank without a herc. I have a lvl 61 shadou and I'm level 70 and can't do it.

    with 2 venos and a herc Wurlord is possible (we found this out on accident) so if in doubt take two venos. Qingzi only hits my shadou for about 200, unbuffed. so a 2nd veno and whatever pet you have should work fine
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  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    rankar is not possible to pet-tank without a herc. I have a lvl 61 shadou and I'm level 70 and can't do it.

    Actually, Rankar is possible to tank without a herc.

    With levels on you, its possible to tank it with a shaodu cub. I can currently tank all of the fb51 bosses with my armored bear. Yes Wyvern is very tricky but it is possible. (Please note I also have a lot of channeling). Keeping in mind, I'm also level 93 with level 9 pet heal. (No I haven't maxed it yet lol).
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    with 2 venos and a herc Wurlord is possible (we found this out on accident) so if in doubt take two venos.

    At what level did you do warlurd? Because he can 1-shot my herc, so it doesn't really matter how many veno's you have healing.
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    um.. I think it was an 86. but he didn't 1-shot herc, that much I can vouge for, I personally was the 2nd healer on it. nearly could 2-shot herc though, so might have been higher. I'll fish through my screenshots and see if I can find it.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Ok, cool - it would be VERY nice to be able to pet-tank that boss. If I'm only a few levels away then that's good.
  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    check ingame plese vit
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  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    At what level did you do warlurd? Because he can 1-shot my herc, so it doesn't really matter how many veno's you have healing.

    He can only 1 shot your herc if you let him use his magic. Well guess what, you can prevent that with genie earthquake.

    2 venos healing one herc and both using earthquake one at a time will make even 2-3 wurlord a joke.
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    _River - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    (Please note I also have a lot of channeling). Keeping in mind, I'm also level 93 with level 9 pet heal.
    ok, it's not NORMALLY possible. and you're talking the armored bear which is an 80+ pet and you have no need for those bosses. what I'm saying is at level it isn't possible. Qingzi IS. you can take 2 venos and a decent pet and do qingzi, you can't do that with rankar/wyvern. (yes, 61 shadou CAN tank fushma)
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    axt57 wrote: »
    He can only 1 shot your herc if you let him use his magic. Well guess what, you can prevent that with genie earthquake.

    2 venos healing one herc and both using earthquake one at a time will make even 2-3 wurlord a joke.
    he was using his magic, we still beat him.
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    I've soloed Rankar with my lvl 69 Shaodu Cub. Takes too long and it's very iffy, basically i was relying on Tough and Relentless Courage and i still had the cub die a couple of times, totally not worth it. It's easy enough with a second Veno however.

    Wyvern is completely out of the picture at my level range.

    Qingzi is a pushover though, you should be able to do the job at late 4x with a high mag build. Same for FB39 bosses all are soloable at 5x. The trick with Farren is to position yourself at a straight line opposite him and your pet, that way you can completely avoid his AoE.

    Edit; Wyvern can be soloed with a 6x Herc, seen it done a couple of times.
  • axt57
    axt57 Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    he was using his magic, we still beat him.

    Was it 2-3 wurlord? If it was you must have gotten extremely lucky. His magic range is quite large, but his max is around 18k - he can easily 1 shot my lvl 98 herc.
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    39, minus farren, solod (carefully) at level 54 with a shaodu

    and it was 2-1's wurlord
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  • Sangodoc - Dreamweaver
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver Posts: 501 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    rankar is not possible to pet-tank without a herc. I have a lvl 61 shadou and I'm level 70 and can't do it.
    Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it's not possible.

    My level 67 veno can and has tanked Rankar quite easily on two separate occasions. I used a level 66 Glacial Walker with modified skills: level 4 Icicle (water attack), level 2 Roar (aggro skill), level 4 Thunderbolt (metal attack), and level 4 Howl (magic defense debuff). Spamming those four skills, especially the magic attacks after doing a Howl, allow it to keep the aggro quite well too. b:pleased

    However, I'm still not able to tank Wyvern, even with two venos healing, as I found out to my dismay yesterday. b:cry b:surrender
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Sangodoc - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Just because you can't do it, doesn't mean it's not possible.

    My level 67 veno can and has tanked Rankar quite easily on two separate occasions. I used a level 66 Glacial Walker with modified skills: level 4 Icicle (water attack), level 2 Roar (aggro skill), level 4 Thunderbolt (metal attack), and level 4 Howl (magic defense debuff). Spamming those four skills, especially the magic attacks after doing a Howl, allow it to keep the aggro quite well too. b:pleased

    However, I'm still not able to tank Wyvern, even with two venos healing, as I found out to my dismay yesterday. b:cry b:surrender

    You really shouldn't be spamming Roar or Howl when spam healing a pet...
  • LordOfSeas - Dreamweaver
    LordOfSeas - Dreamweaver Posts: 5 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You really shouldn't be spamming Roar or Howl when spam healing a pet...

    Y ? wat difference will it make ? o.0
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    You mean other than saving you having to watch cooldowns in what is effectively a looong fight? Roar will reset aggro on the boss which is useless when spam healing a pet, but carries the risk that if you use it just before you attack yourself, say on Tough's uptime, it may lead to your stealing aggro. As for Howl effective use means to time it for when you do attack, or at the very least will be dealing elemental damage through genie skills, since continous spamming of elemental bashes means two will always hit during it's duration anyway and blindly spamming may press you for time.
  • _River - Heavens Tear
    _River - Heavens Tear Posts: 834 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ok, it's not NORMALLY possible. and you're talking the armored bear which is an 80+ pet and you have no need for those bosses. what I'm saying is at level it isn't possible. Qingzi IS. you can take 2 venos and a decent pet and do qingzi, you can't do that with rankar/wyvern. (yes, 61 shadou CAN tank fushma)

    I had need of his drops (Helm of Lion Spirit, Demon Panther Ring), thus my reason for farming him with my armored bear :P Cause I didn't want to pay money when I could farm them myself.

    And that is the reason I said "with levels" it could be possible with a shaodu cub. I can't remember what level I started farming Rankar at. But I didn't bother with him after I got my ring and my helm.

    As for anyone tanking Wyvern.. I dunno what level you can with any pet. I just recently was made aware that at my level I could lol. But I have to use all of my channeling and yes I have to use tough sometimes as well just in case I feel like the bear might die. Never said it would be easy, cause I know its not. Just know that I can do it ^^
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  • Xymantha - Dreamweaver
    Xymantha - Dreamweaver Posts: 197 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    rankar is not possible to pet-tank without a herc. I have a lvl 61 shadou and I'm level 70 and can't do it.

    with 2 venos and a herc Wurlord is possible (we found this out on accident) so if in doubt take two venos. Qingzi only hits my shadou for about 200, unbuffed. so a 2nd veno and whatever pet you have should work fine
    _River - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Actually, Rankar is possible to tank without a herc.

    With levels on you, its possible to tank it with a shaodu cub. I can currently tank all of the fb51 bosses with my armored bear. Yes Wyvern is very tricky but it is possible. (Please note I also have a lot of channeling). Keeping in mind, I'm also level 93 with level 9 pet heal. (No I haven't maxed it yet lol).
    you dont even need an armored bear or shaodu cub. A mid 60's vit build veno (myself) can solo Fushma with a C Mag (no tough buff) and can even tag team Rankar with another veno assist healing. OFC tough helps do it even easier.
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ok, it's not NORMALLY possible. and you're talking the armored bear which is an 80+ pet and you have no need for those bosses. what I'm saying is at level it isn't possible. Qingzi IS. you can take 2 venos and a decent pet and do qingzi, you can't do that with rankar/wyvern. (yes, 61 shadou CAN tank fushma)
    what cracked out non-herc pet did you use to tank qingzi at level 29 b:shocked

    now, when I hear "at level" I assume at FB level, not at BH level.
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  • Psytrac - Dreamweaver
    Psytrac - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,488 Arc User
    edited March 2010
    Xymantha - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    you dont even need an armored bear or shaodu cub. A mid 60's vit build veno (myself) can solo Fushma with a C Mag (no tough buff) and can even tag team Rankar with another veno assist healing. OFC tough helps do it even easier.


    what cracked out non-herc pet did you use to tank qingzi at level 29 b:shocked

    now, when I hear "at level" I assume at FB level, not at BH level.
    I meant BH level, thought that was obvious, aparently is not lol
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