trying to fix THE ARCHER lac of usfull skills
Linkmas - Sanctuary
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yo yo yo
yes i am posting this cuz every time i subit these ideas to GMs all wut they say is : " we are puting your ideas in mind " then just flush it in the toilet
so here i go
+ i can c that EVERY class in pwi have ITS OWN HEALING SKILL while archers dont
add one or ( the best of my idea) extend the effect of "Wings of grace" ( yea that would make us invincible)
+ 2 buff .... well 1 cuz balzing arrow seem not to work (b.a. + metal = one of em)
well wings of protection buff is not enaugh most classes have 2 buffs at least
well here is another buff i thinked of : eagle eye = increase accuracy
+ archers have a very small number of aoe attacks
putting " Barrage of arrows " asside the rest is like **** (yes **** )
so i thinked of some other ones
- muti-stun
- muti-aim low
- (and the best of my idea) " horizontal barrage of arrows " ( yea weird huh? )
instead of arrows falling from the sky arrows go from archer stait to target and hit him dealing dammage and pushing him back
just like this
O ========= > >>>> monster >>>
-l- l> ========= >
^ ========= >
simple right ?
+ why knock back dont work in pvp or duels ?! ?! ?! !?
that makes it a unusful pk/tw skill after all pwi is all about defeating players :P
+..... out of ideas atm but will come back with some sooon
later
b:bye b:bye b:bye b:bye
yes i am posting this cuz every time i subit these ideas to GMs all wut they say is : " we are puting your ideas in mind " then just flush it in the toilet
so here i go
+ i can c that EVERY class in pwi have ITS OWN HEALING SKILL while archers dont
add one or ( the best of my idea) extend the effect of "Wings of grace" ( yea that would make us invincible)
+ 2 buff .... well 1 cuz balzing arrow seem not to work (b.a. + metal = one of em)
well wings of protection buff is not enaugh most classes have 2 buffs at least
well here is another buff i thinked of : eagle eye = increase accuracy
+ archers have a very small number of aoe attacks
putting " Barrage of arrows " asside the rest is like **** (yes **** )
so i thinked of some other ones
- muti-stun
- muti-aim low
- (and the best of my idea) " horizontal barrage of arrows " ( yea weird huh? )
instead of arrows falling from the sky arrows go from archer stait to target and hit him dealing dammage and pushing him back
just like this
O ========= > >>>> monster >>>
-l- l> ========= >
^ ========= >
simple right ?
+ why knock back dont work in pvp or duels ?! ?! ?! !?
that makes it a unusful pk/tw skill after all pwi is all about defeating players :P
+..... out of ideas atm but will come back with some sooon
later
b:bye b:bye b:bye b:bye
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when i get ore ideas b:laugh b:laugh b:laugh0 -
Ideas are always good, but have they ever add a skill for any class at all?
As far as I know, they have not .^^
But yes, every class has its advantages and disadvantages, but I think you'll have to live with the skills you have, and they're not bad at allb:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Archer's don't use our "useless" skills because our blindfire damage simply rocks. There's no need to use them, besides stun/slow/knockback.
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Clercie - Sanctuary wrote: »Ideas are always good, but have they ever add a skill for any class at all?
As far as I know, they have not .^^
But yes, every class has its advantages and disadvantages, but I think you'll have to live with the skills you have, and they're not bad at allb:pleased
they added freeze to alacrity and made mighty swing 100% hit for barbs.
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i still say stormrage eagleon needs to be improved or something...make it AOE with knockback and gain +weapon damage; so it's like will of phoenix. maybe retain the slow so it justifies costing 2 sparks. >.>
or or
reduce the spark cost to 1. it'll be as useful as say...vacuous palmElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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make Stormrage Eagleon seal, freeze, and AoE with the DoT and we got another AoE to use
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Ussichu - Sanctuary wrote: »make Stormrage Eagleon seal, freeze, and AoE with the DoT and we got another AoE to use
why the f would you want another dot... make it instant damage if its going to be any use at all.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
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Only thing archer need skill wise is some sort of single target skill that actually does dmg. Archers really dont have any high dmg skills at all, they only have crit and dps. But so has Bms and barbs (hello 35% extra crit from onslaught) and they also have a good and useful 59 ulti.
Archer is the only class that doesn't have a 2 spark 59 ulti for pvp. Barrage is only good for pve and TW, not for world pvp or 1v1.
Should make Stormrage Eagleon a 2 spark long channeling skill that does instants high metal dmg and has a - % in weapon dmg add on, a skill that actually can bypass a charm if it crits.0 -
Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »why the f would you want another dot... make it instant damage if its going to be any use at all.
what we really need is a fire dot, because all the dots combined makes a cool looking glowing orb on people's heads. hahahaElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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I agree... stormrage is a complete waste of MP and 2 sparks. Gms/Devs-- please make it WORTH casting.5.0 "Pure" 8jun Sage Clawrcher of Dreamweaver0
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
or or
reduce the spark cost to 1. it'll be as useful as say...vacuous palm
Vacuous what?
Right right that BM skill... I knew that...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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dere shud b a skil cald 1shot n wen u shoot sumwun it kill dem in 1 shot bess skill eber dats my bess idea i hab so far
But seriously, Stormrage sucks.0 -
definatly inprove stromrage and maybe a cange the melee skill winged plaged and fix that also i mean that skills is kinda worthless because its pretty much a single target wing spand but less dammage and minus the knock back
they reall need to find a way to make all classes equal at endgame so it woudl take real skill to beable to beet each other
maybe give archers there own armor it would still be light armor but a higher class armor or better deff skills0 -
Correction, we DO have a healing skill, sorta
Winged shell restores mana and hp over time, i find it really useful for AoE bosses[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]<3 by Silvy
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Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »Correction, we DO have a healing skill, sorta
Winged shell restores mana and hp over time, i find it really useful for AoE bosses
Winged shell heal hp ? b:puzzled
Maybe they should add more stunning skills for archer ? Maybe a passive skills like a head shot that stun people for a short amount of time ?
And something too increase their attack speed drastically for a short time . . maybe add these effect on elven alacrity.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Esnemyl - Dreamweaver wrote: »Correction, we DO have a healing skill, sorta
Winged shell restores mana and hp over time, i find it really useful for AoE bosses
LOL winged shell dont heal hp it just reduce the dammage for 20 sec or till it gates 810 dammage
we have no healing skill thats why we should have one + archers must have some more aoe skills and another strong skill
ex:i see that the quick shot animations is not 1 shot but 2 so make deal
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yea stormage eagleon is worth nothing........(i want my money and sp back @.@) ........i think they shud improve flight mastery..and make elves fastest flying class.....maybe like +4 ......i think......but then no elf wud buy there boutique wings -.- ........or maybe a natural skill boost to increase flying speed by like +6 for a short period of time......(not genie one -.-) atleast give some good advantage so that people dont feel inferior to fishies..[SIGPIC]http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/image.php?type=sigpic&userid=9267511001&dateline=1298980500[/SIGPIC] O Yay! I Killed that nix veno!0
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Make aim low actually stun the target like the name suggests and not just freeze and I will be happy.b:chuckle
Honestly, so far I have had alot of fun with my archer, the skills are good for select conditions and the dps is quite massive.0 -
Linkmas - Sanctuary wrote: »yo yo yo
+ i can c that EVERY class in pwi have ITS OWN HEALING SKILL while archers dont
add one or ( the best of my idea) extend the effect of "Wings of grace" ( yea that would make us invincible)
+ 2 buff .... well 1 cuz balzing arrow seem not to work (b.a. + metal = one of em)
well wings of protection buff is not enaugh most classes have 2 buffs at least
well here is another buff i thinked of : eagle eye = increase accuracy
+ archers have a very small number of aoe attacks
putting " Barrage of arrows " asside the rest is like **** (yes **** )
so i thinked of some other ones
- muti-stun
- muti-aim low
- (and the best of my idea) " horizontal barrage of arrows " ( yea weird huh? )
instead of arrows falling from the sky arrows go from archer stait to target and hit him dealing dammage and pushing him back
FYI,not every class has a healing skill.Barbs dont for one.Wizzies heal takes too long to channel so it doesnt work really well.Sins need to deal dmg to heal themselves.Venos and psychics have a long c/d on the hp heal skill they have.BMs need one spark to heal themselves.
And why the hell do archers need a heal skill.I kill most mobs w/o them touching me.
But extending Wings of Grace effect would be nice.Or mayb reduce the dmg taken further.
Yea,another team buff would be good.Evasion doesn't work properly here.Your idea is good,but mayb it shld extend to the squad to help those BMs/Barbs.
Blazing arrow IMO is good even if it doesn't stack with metal skills
Well,we dont need more AoEs.Barrage is a pretty good AoE though it sucks mp like crazy.Don't complain bout lack of AoEs if not the Sins will QQ bout it too.Why do u need thay many AoEs anyway?0 -
Actually barbs have sunder which is a two spark self heal, not disagreeing with you but all classes do have a self heal in one way or another.KageYingZi - Heavens Tear wrote: »FYI,not every class has a healing skill.Barbs dont for one.Wizzies heal takes too long to channel so it doesnt work really well.Sins need to deal dmg to heal themselves.Venos and psychics have a long c/d on the hp heal skill they have.BMs need one spark to heal themselves.
And why the hell do archers need a heal skill.I kill most mobs w/o them touching me.
But extending Wings of Grace effect would be nice.Or mayb reduce the dmg taken further.0 -
KageYingZi - Heavens Tear wrote: »FYI,not every class has a healing skill.Barbs dont for one.Wizzies heal takes too long to channel so it doesnt work really well.Sins need to deal dmg to heal themselves.Venos and psychics have a long c/d on the hp heal skill they have.BMs need one spark to heal themselves.
And why the hell do archers need a heal skill.I kill most mobs w/o them touching me.
But extending Wings of Grace effect would be nice.Or mayb reduce the dmg taken further.
Yea,another team buff would be good.Evasion doesn't work properly here.Your idea is good,but mayb it shld extend to the squad to help those BMs/Barbs.
Blazing arrow IMO is good even if it doesn't stack with metal skills
Well,we dont need more AoEs.Barrage is a pretty good AoE though it sucks mp like crazy.Don't complain bout lack of AoEs if not the Sins will QQ bout it too.Why do u need thay many AoEs anyway?
1. barb can self heal.
2. fire arrow would work on any 1 arrow/bolt/shot skills... including metal.
3. i just replyed to an useless post.1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.
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Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »3. i just replyed to an useless post.
ok thx for replying we really appreciate it b:pleased0 -
Stormrage should be not worthless.
also, we aer the squishiest class in the game, give us a skill to make up for it. barrage and stormrage, wich should be the absolute best of an archer's arsenal, are entirely worthless in pvp/pk our stun/seal/sleep/immobilize/etc skills are, arguably, the worst in the game.
on a rlated note, bms getting more accuracy and eva per dex is ridiculous. archers should not miss. ever. i've lost fights against wizards because of a freak miss (i'm full dex) also, aim low is good but wh you see a barb carging at you, and you just know he's got 2 sparks, that 10% chance to not work... it makes me rage.0 -
Did you say BoA was useless in pvp? umm BoA is quite epic in TW when you have a large mass of ppl in a smaller area and a barb standing right in the middle ^^ b:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Linkmas - Sanctuary wrote: »yo yo yo
yes i am posting this cuz every time i subit these ideas to GMs all wut they say is : " we are puting your ideas in mind " then just flush it in the toilet
so here i go
+ i can c that EVERY class in pwi have ITS OWN HEALING SKILL while archers dont
add one or ( the best of my idea) extend the effect of "Wings of grace" ( yea that would make us invincible)
+ 2 buff .... well 1 cuz balzing arrow seem not to work (b.a. + metal = one of em)
well wings of protection buff is not enaugh most classes have 2 buffs at least
well here is another buff i thinked of : eagle eye = increase accuracy
+ archers have a very small number of aoe attacks
putting " Barrage of arrows " asside the rest is like **** (yes **** )
so i thinked of some other ones
- muti-stun
- muti-aim low
- (and the best of my idea) " horizontal barrage of arrows " ( yea weird huh? )
instead of arrows falling from the sky arrows go from archer stait to target and hit him dealing dammage and pushing him back
just like this
O ========= > >>>> monster >>>
-l- l> ========= >
^ ========= >
simple right ?
+ why knock back dont work in pvp or duels ?! ?! ?! !?
that makes it a unusful pk/tw skill after all pwi is all about defeating players :P
+..... out of ideas atm but will come back with some sooon
later
b:bye b:bye b:bye b:bye
I would say fix your lack of basic game mechanics knowledge and playing skills first, than try to "fix" a class that you don't really understand in a game that's to some extent more complicated that resolving a 24 piece puzzle with Disney Princesses.____________
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Okay...
A. Stop blaming the GMs, they can't do ****... because,
B. Only PW China can make the changes you want, because that's where the devs are. They are not receptive to our wishes, and definitely not receptive to radical changes to any class like these.
As for Stormrage, I'm one of the few Archers who kinda likes it, I think. I use it on bosses, particularly on the first half since I'm trying not to take aggro and thus shouldn't be Barraging yet. I like it because the boss can't shrug it off like other DoTs. Normally my boss combo is: Sharptooth Arrow -> Extreme Poison (for the tank's benefit) -> wait out the poison and do nothing while the tank gains aggro -> Stormrage -> normal attacks. Usually I end up using Stormrage 2-4 times depending on the boss's HP, then Barrage when it's close to death.
Also, I find it useful on normal mobs with Increased Defense. With Frost Arrow, the 80% speed debuff gives you the extra time to deliver more hits (including your other metal skills, of course) before you take any yourself.
EDIT: I agree it should've been 1 spark though. :P[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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personally I think archers are fine as they are. I will say they're the hardest class to play for like the first 30 lvls (but seriously for any class the first 30 lvls are pretty easy b:chuckle).
And if any class needs changes it's the wizzie, far before any other class. archers have the speed buff, and STA which is enough to get them into squads. wizzie's have... yeah...0 -
Brutu - Heavens Tear wrote: »Actually barbs have sunder which is a two spark self heal, not disagreeing with you but all classes do have a self heal in one way or another.
Forgot bout that,sorryb:surrender.Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear wrote: »1. barb can self heal.
2. fire arrow would work on any 1 arrow/bolt/shot skills... including metal.
3. i just replyed to an useless post.
1.This is kinda what the above said
2.I don't really care of it works or not and i was replying to the OP pretty much
3.I don't think anyone pointed a gun at you
edit:Knockback doesn't work in PvP because if you knockback a player into a horde of mobs,we all know what happens0 -
QQ more QQers, I have a friend that plays archer just fine, although he now plays barb.
Stormrage eagle is a great skill, it does one of the best damage without worrying about casting time and sacrfice, costing reasonable MP, while most classes have to use a lot more mana than you. This is also like 1.5 channeling speed, which is one of the top 4 channeling. It have many effects too, this skill will also allow people to kite even more. If you want it to one spark instead, how about making casting time longer then?
Aim slow is pretty long free (it was meant to be a stun xD)
At OP, Urssa is right.... you fail as archer more than I do b:laugh
Proof : Knockback, Arggo = PVE ... Mana drain, chi drain = PVP
Change those and you have a broken game
Maybe if you don't leave "useless" skills at LVL1 that might help you b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »QQ more QQers, I have a friend that plays archer just fine, although he now plays barb.
Stormrage eagle is a great skill, it does one of the best damage without worrying about casting time and sacrfice, costing reasonable MP, while most classes have to use a lot more mana than you. This is also like 1.5 channeling speed, which is one of the top 4 channeling. It have many effects too, this skill will also allow people to kite even more. If you want it to one spark instead, how about making casting time longer then?
Aim slow is pretty long free (it was meant to be a stun xD)
At OP, Urssa is right.... you fail as archer more than I do b:laugh
Proof : Knockback, Arggo = PVE ... Mana drain, chi drain = PVP
Change those and you have a broken game
Maybe if you don't leave "useless" skills at LVL1 that might help you b:chuckle
Lol, Stormrage Eagleon a great skill? No sacrifice? That **** costs 2 sparks and channels longer than most other skills, lmfao. Sparks better spent on Aim Low and the magic skills/winged shell/Demonspark.
You sir, know nothing about Archers. Go away.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Esuna - Raging Tide wrote: »Lol, Stormrage Eagleon a great skill? No sacrifice? That **** costs 2 sparks and channels longer than most other skills, lmfao. Sparks better spent on Aim Low and the magic skills/winged shell/Demonspark.
You sir, know nothing about Archers. Go away.
Agrees. Lol b:sweat[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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