Converting TT99/Lunar 95 to Nirvana

Michael_Dark - Lost City · February 2010

Dark_kuma - Sanctuary wrote: »

lets say an average endgame weapon refine is +8

★★Sinrabansho +8 = M.Attack 1273-1487
★★Doom of Flowers +8 = M.Attack 1560-1826

The Nirvana M.Sword beats TT100 +8 at +3

★★Doom of Flowers +3 = M.Attack 1281-1547

At +12 the difference is huge...

★★Sinrabansho +12 = M.Attack 1861-2075
★★Doom of Flowers +12 = M.Attack 2246-2512

I'd rather upgrade, but if you want those stats over a HUGE difference in M.Attack, go for it

..it's 2 grades higher for a reason.

It's a bit pointless and just too costly making the TT100 for the upgrade to Nirvana, unless you've already done so?

I guess if you've already created the TT100 then that might be your only realistic option, but for anyone who hasn't yet created TT99/100, that path isn't worth considering. Even if you get Soul of Relics and an event orange mat for cheap, you're still better off buying a CV or farming 99 gold
Since the crystal cost was upped to 230 to do this, you're potentially saving 30-40m worth of raptures, or like, 8% of the way to farming the next quenched piece.

But, to your point, the actual weapon stats mean little when comparing the p/matk and its refine bonus of the donor weapon to the upgraded weapon.

kenlee · February 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Recast: You change the look and name of the weapon, but keep the original stats, you get the higher refining matk/patk.

Quench: You lose all attribute of the orginal piece and it then gains 3 new random stats.

Reforge: Basically just rerolling your 3 random stats... or in the case of armor, the one variable min-max stat.

ok but what about refines and shards, at what point do you get rid of them?
i saw in this thread that after reforge you keep refines and shards so if you crafted 2 sockets pants you gonna end up with only 2 in the end, what about recast and quench from TT99 gold for example?

Michael_Dark - Lost City · February 2010

kenlee wrote: »

ok but what about refines and shards, at what point do you get rid of them?
i saw in this thread that after reforge you keep refines and shards so if you crafted 2 sockets pants you gonna end up with only 2 in the end, what about recast and quench from TT99 gold for example?

In the reforge dialog box, it does give you the option to not keep sockets (not quite sure if it's just armor or just weapon or both, but I'll find out), though we haven't tested this out... meaning all the armors came out either 3 socket and when rerolled did not change, or in the case of a pair of 4 socket pants, did not want to chance losing them. With the weapon and 1 reforge, it came out with 1 socket, so we're still not sure if you have a chance at additional sockets during this stage.

During recast, you have a chance to roll 2-4 sockets on armor and 1-2 sockets on weapons. During reforge, the recast sockets may change and has a chance to roll 2-4 sockets and 1-2 sockets on weapons. At this point, from how it's been directly explained to me, is you have the option to lock the sockets. If you select yes, then obviously you get to keep them without Chienkun stones, but if you select no, we're still not sure if they are locked in as has been somewhat stated by GMs.

We haven't manufactured enough items yet to know the answer to this. Perhaps someone else does. Hope that kinda helps :S

kenlee · February 2010

so there is a way to reforge for 4 sockets (dont keep sockets option) then reforge for stats with keep sockets option if i understant this right. oh well thats sounds good.

Mosz - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Has anyone tested the tt99 set bonuses working when the armor is remade to nirvana
example
TT99 LA wrist+pants (2 pieces so -.05 interval) [also applicable for HA]
now change the pants to nirvana final form(☆☆Shadow Ashura Greaves) that has -.05 interval too
has anyone tested that the TT99 LA bonus stays and you get the -.1 on wrist -.05 set bonus and -.05 nirvana pant bonus together?

Michael_Dark - Lost City · February 2010

kenlee wrote: »

so there is a way to reforge for 4 sockets (dont keep sockets option) then reforge for stats with keep sockets option if i understant this right. oh well thats sounds good.

Apparently there is a Y/N dialog box for it, but no idea if it really works, as the system has been reworked slightly for PWI. We're not sure if the changes lock after quench as has been stated. So there is a bit of contradictory statements from the GM and what the process actually states. As far as I know, no piece of Nirvana gear has changed sockets during the reforge process.

Mosz - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Has anyone tested the tt99 set bonuses working when the armor is remade to nirvana
example
TT99 LA wrist+pants (2 pieces so -.05 interval) [also applicable for HA]
now change the pants to nirvana final form(☆☆Shadow Ashura Greaves) that has -.05 interval too
has anyone tested that the TT99 LA bonus stays and you get the -.1 on wrist -.05 set bonus and -.05 nirvana pant bonus together?

Unless there is a bug/glitch, you wouldn't get the HH99 2 piece set bonus if you don't have 2 pieces of HH99 gear. Converting HH99 to Nirvana would make that piece a Nirvana piece with the possibility of Nirvana set bonuses.

Dark_kuma - Sanctuary · February 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

It's a bit pointless and just too costly making the TT100 for the upgrade to Nirvana, unless you've already done so?

I guess if you've already created the TT100 then that might be your only realistic option, but for anyone who hasn't yet created TT99/100, that path isn't worth considering. Even if you get Soul of Relics and an event orange mat for cheap, you're still better off buying a CV or farming 99 gold
Since the crystal cost was upped to 230 to do this, you're potentially saving 30-40m worth of raptures, or like, 8% of the way to farming the next quenched piece.

But, to your point, the actual weapon stats mean little when comparing the p/matk and its refine bonus of the donor weapon to the upgraded weapon.

No I was just posting that to make a point to all those that already have TT100s knowing that this expansion with G15 weapons was coming out but rushing to it and refining it loads... as in those people who are trying to make up reasons to justify why it's not worth upgrading from a pre-existing TT100.

Yes it is stupid to go for a TT100 right now considering it's only 20 more shards, on sanctuary only 20m, and really not worth it. But for those who have them, avoiding the upgrade will eventually come back and bite you in the butt as at some point more and more people will have these weapons... and you wont.

Also I forgot to add this...

considering I said that...

★★Sinrabansho +12 = M.Attack 1861-2075

well you only have to get Nirvana to +10 to beat it...

★★Doom of Flowers +10 = M.Attack 1820-2086

And to decept, they just work like crafting normal gear, the random stats are literally random within the 1s it is capable of getting, but it has 1 set stat. If you're after crit, like I would be as I prefer crit over channeling, then upgrading would be a good idea... The definate stat is 3% crit or 4% crit everytime, but where the other stat is random there's a chance of getting added 1% or 2% crit stats. Obviously for a crit maniac the ideal magic sword would be 4% crit, 2% crit and 2% crit ....ouchies!

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2010

Dark_kuma - Sanctuary wrote: »

And to decept, they just work like crafting normal gear, the random stats are literally random within the 1s it is capable of getting, but it has 1 set stat. If you're after crit, like I would be as I prefer crit over channeling, then upgrading would be a good idea... The definate stat is 3% crit or 4% crit everytime, but where the other stat is random there's a chance of getting added 1% or 2% crit stats. Obviously for a crit maniac the ideal magic sword would be 4% crit, 2% crit and 2% crit ....ouchies!

yar i had my sinra since the 1st anniv. so not much choice i have here. =/ The TT100 skips the first reforge and goes straight to the 2nd process. Do you remember if the TT100 lost its refine and shards?? I think it was said somewhere but cant locate the info.

Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

yar i had my sinra since the 1st anniv. so not much choice i have here. =/ The TT100 skips the first reforge and goes straight to the 2nd process. Do you remember if the TT100 lost its refine and shards?? I think it was said somewhere but cant locate the info.

Not sure for weapons, but a faction mate of mine had refined their gear and it lost it's refines and shards.

Dark_kuma - Sanctuary · February 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

yar i had my sinra since the 1st anniv. so not much choice i have here. =/ The TT100 skips the first reforge and goes straight to the 2nd process. Do you remember if the TT100 lost its refine and shards?? I think it was said somewhere but cant locate the info.

I think it probably does, but unsure it might not. It's an entirely different upgrade to the normal TT99 upgrade. But the TT99s dont keep theirs, only from 1st recast to 2nd recast and then rerolling stats does it keep the refine/shards. Sadly the GM's I'm pretty sure intentionally missed out major details on the refine/shards being kept - but I guess I can't blame them, it's how they make money from this game, get people to **** up because of not giving the exact details so in some way making it sound like they are kept because of collecting the right mats inside the instance. I think it would be safer to either wait until someone with not so high shards/refine has tried it or wait for refine transfer (which the system for it, like the faction icons, has been in the game for a VERY long time, but they never bother activating/adding the materials needed in the cash shop)

Reasons like this is why I'm currently on (another game that they censor on the forums - lol?) rather than pw, I only pop on to say hi these days and maybe do my marriage quest if me and iah are really that bored.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2010

Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not sure for weapons, but a faction mate of mine had refined their gear and it lost it's refines and shards.

Dark_kuma - Sanctuary wrote: »

I think it probably does, but unsure it might not. It's an entirely different upgrade to the normal TT99 upgrade. But the TT99s dont keep theirs, only from 1st recast to 2nd recast and then rerolling stats does it keep the refine/shards. Sadly the GM's I'm pretty sure intentionally missed out major details on the refine/shards being kept - but I guess I can't blame them, it's how they make money from this game, get people to **** up because of not giving the exact details so in some way making it sound like they are kept because of collecting the right mats inside the instance. I think it would be safer to either wait until someone with not so high shards/refine has tried it or wait for refine transfer (which the system for it, like the faction icons, has been in the game for a VERY long time, but they never bother activating/adding the materials needed in the cash shop)

Reasons like this is why I'm currently on (another game that they censor on the forums - lol?) rather than pw, I only pop on to say hi these days and maybe do my marriage quest if me and iah are really that bored.

Well we all know Wizzeled tested out his lunarglade weapon (+12...) and lost shards and refinement.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=612191
It states in the prior info that only TT100 does skip this first process. (hence the insane amount of stones needed) I guess what i wanted to know was "Are we SURE?" b:chuckle the new admin is almost non existent on the forums..... i dont see much questions answered from them ><.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · February 2010

Sacredxstar - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Not sure for weapons, but a faction mate of mine had refined their gear and it lost it's refines and shards.

Of course, because the only time refines and shards are kept are at the reforge process, not the recast or quench. So just skipping the recast and going directly to the quench, you would still lose refines/sockets/shards.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2010

Michael_dark - Lost City wrote: »

Of course, because the only time refines and shards are kept are at the reforge process, not the recast or quench. So just skipping the recast and going directly to the quench, you would still lose refines/sockets/shards.

i remember xarfox or someone saying that "once they are nirvana weapons" they wont loose their shards or refines. So i guess even if this skips the first process its still non-nirvana weapon to nirvana weapon so .....i guess ill bet on it that it all disappears -.-

Dark_kuma - Sanctuary · February 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i remember xarfox or someone saying that "once they are nirvana weapons" they wont loose their shards or refines. So i guess even if this skips the first process its still non-nirvana weapon to nirvana weapon so .....i guess ill bet on it that it all disappears -.-

Bingo!

...now if only they said that instead of saying you can keep refines from gathering the right materials needed. Very missleading...

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well we all know Wizzeled tested out his lunarglade weapon (+12...) and lost shards and refinement.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=612191
It states in the prior info that only TT100 does skip this first process. (hence the insane amount of stones needed) I guess what i wanted to know was "Are we SURE?" b:chuckle the new admin is almost non existent on the forums..... i dont see much questions answered from them ><.

They never answer questions directly, especially these ones. They wont miss an opportunity to make money, hence why they never explain new content. I think they want people to assume thats the bonus of using a TT100, but then be greatly dissappointed when they find out the only advantage is 20 shards. Ever since the packs they've been right douchebags with answering questions, explaining updates, and **** us over by throwing random **** into the cash shop. So your answer is they won't give you an answer, if they do it will either be "we don't know" (which they most probably do) or an answer that completely avoids the direct question.

Michael_Dark - Lost City · February 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

i remember xarfox or someone saying that "once they are nirvana weapons" they wont loose their shards or refines. So i guess even if this skips the first process its still non-nirvana weapon to nirvana weapon so .....i guess ill bet on it that it all disappears -.-

There have been numerous statements and changes since the original preview. The original preview said you could keep them all, however, the more recent statements have only vaguely said you can keep the refines/shards at the reforge option, not any other option. It's taken a lot of effort to squeeze correct info out of the GMs, who know less about the process than the actual players, to be honest.

Ninnuam - Sanctuary · February 2010

Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well we all know Wizzeled tested out his lunarglade weapon (+12...) and lost shards and refinement.
http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=612191
It states in the prior info that only TT100 does skip this first process. (hence the insane amount of stones needed) I guess what i wanted to know was "Are we SURE?" b:chuckle the new admin is almost non existent on the forums..... i dont see much questions answered from them ><.

It skips the first process (recast) but it doesn't skip the second (quench). Only the third (reforge) keeps the bells and whistles.

So in other words, yes you would lose everything you invested in the Sinra.

Deceptistar - Sanctuary · February 2010

Ninnuam - Sanctuary wrote: »

It skips the first process (recast) but it doesn't skip the second (quench). Only the third (reforge) keeps the bells and whistles.

So in other words, yes you would lose everything you invested in the Sinra.

i cheaped out and only +4'ed it b:avoid (few on server back then lol)

I guess maybe a little wait is at hand then. If these stones came out already in those last packs, assuming there may be more :d 230 stone runs are unreal....

urbandetox · March 2010

Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »

I translated directly from PWChina.

Wand/Glaive pool A is -6% or -10% channeling.

Magic Sword pool A is 3% or 4% critical.

Pataka pool A is +289 or +400 pdef.

The picture has no critical because it was TT100->Wand.

Like I said above:

Wow, nice job! What stats are in the A pool and B pool for dual axes? Can you do the same for the dual axes? b:thanks

Legerity - Sanctuary · March 2010

urbandetox wrote: »

Wow, nice job! What stats are in the A pool and B pool for dual axes? Can you do the same for the dual axes? b:thanks

Thanks. Here you go.

Dual Axes:

Pool A (any of the following):
Sacrificial Strike, Adv. Sacrificial Strike, 3% or 4% crit.

Pool B (any 2 of the following):
1% crit
2% crit
310 MP
350 HP
18-19 str/dex/vit/mag
Attack lvl +1
Attack lvl +2
Attack lvl +3
Defense lvl +2
Accuracy +30%
Attack range +1
Max Pdmg +106
Max Pdmg +130

Motoko - Raging Tide · March 2010

Could some post the possible add-ons of fists/claws b:dirty Sorry to be a bother b:surrender

Miseri - Dreamweaver · March 2010

Hey sorry to hi jack this thread but Ive been away WTF , NIRVANA class, O.o im about to QQ cus I have no idea what were talking about, just how tough is this new stuff ?? can someone maybe link me to any new refrence material i should be reading on this ^_^ if you do thanks i have just gotten back after six months and NOTHING makes a lick of sense any more.

Hari - Heavens Tear · March 2010

Motoko - Raging Tide wrote: »

Could some post the possible add-ons of fists/claws b:dirty Sorry to be a bother b:surrender

Korren - Lost City wrote: »

the advanced thing just has a higher possibility to take effect.

Fist
fixed Additional attributes:Berserker / Advanced Berserker / crit+3% / crit+4% (one of them)
Possible additional attributes:crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, phy attack +100/+130,attack lvl+3

claw
fixed Additional attributes:Revenge / Advanced Revenge / crit+3% / crit+4%
Possible additional attributes:crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, phy attack +100/+130,attack lvl+3

Polearms
fixed Additional attributes:Darken / Advanced Darken / Determination / Advanced Determination
Possible additional attributes:crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, phy attack +100/+130,attack lvl+3

Bow/xbow
fixed Additional attributes:Soul Shatter / Advanced Soul shatter / Stun / Advanced Stun
Possible additional attributes:crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, phy attack +100/+130,attack lvl+3

Pole axe/hammer
fixed Additional attributes:Pierce / Advanced Pierce /requirement-20%/-30%
Possible additional attributes:crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, phy attack +100/+130,attack lvl+3

Dual axes/hammers
fixed Additional attributes:Sacrificial Strike / Advanced Sacrificial Strike / crit+3% / crit+4%
Possible additional attributes: crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, phy attack +100/+130,attack lvl+3

Blade
fixed Additional attributes:Revenge / Advanced Revenge / crit+3% / crit+4%
Possible additional attributes: crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, phy attack +100/+130,attack lvl+3

Magic weapon
fixed Additional attributes(pataka): pdf +289 / +400
fixed Additional attributes(sword/magic orb): crit +3% / +4%
fixed Additional attributes(wand/glaive): chan -6% / -10%
Possible additional attributes:crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, magic attack +100/+130,channeling -3%

Dagger
fixed Additional attributes:Sacrificial Strike / Advanced Sacrificial Strike（ b:shocked ） / crit+3% / crit+4%
Possible additional attributes: crit +1%~2%, MP+310, HP +350, STR +18 ~ 19, DEX +18 ~ 19, VIT +18~19,MAG +18 ~ 19 ~ 19, Attack lvl +1~2, Defense lvl + 1~2, Physical Damage Reduction 2%, phy attack +100/+130,attack lvl+3

Korren answered this a long time ago b:thanks.

Motoko - Raging Tide · March 2010

That can't be right... are you telling me fists and claws can't get -interval? He must have missed something b:cry

Hari - Heavens Tear · March 2010

pwdb says the following for lunar nirvana fists:

Maximum Physical Attack +106
Maximum Physical Attack +130
Interval Between Hits -0.05 seconds
HP: +350
MP +310
Strength +18~19
Dexterity +18~19
Magic +18~19
Vitality +18~19
Critical Hit Rate +1%
Critical Hit Rate +2%
Critical Hit Rate +3%
Critical Hit Rate +4%
Accuracy +30%
Berserk: Has a chance to make the wielder go berserk, increasing
physical attack and attack rate along with damage taken.
Additional Skill
Atk. Level +???
Atk. Level +???
Atk. Level +???
Def. Level +???

compared to korren's

Berserker
Advanced Berserker
crit +1%
crit +2%
crit +3%
crit +4%
MP+310
HP +350
STR +18 ~ 19
DEX +18 ~ 19
VIT +18~19
MAG +18 ~ 19
Physical Damage Reduction 2%
phy attack +100
phy attack +130
Attack lvl +1~2
attack lvl+3
Defense lvl + 1~2

Korren's has -2% phys damage instead of -0.05 atk/sec. Who knows which is right...

Converting TT99/Lunar 95 to Nirvana

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