Humorous event

Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
edited February 2010 in General Discussion
Yesterday I was in some squad for Zimo bounty hunter quest (bh59).

We had gathered very fast:

2 Clerics,
1 Venomancer,
3 DD (including me - Wizard).

As I was tank for Zimo already, I said that will tank this metal insectoid.
Without any problems we had cleared our way to Zimo.

One of the Clerics said:
"I will BB". Let call him ClericOfBB.

Noone said a word against it.

Venomancer pulled Zimo and I start to attack Zimo.

One Cleric healed me (I was out of BB) - let call him GoodCleric, other sitting in BB near rest of squad.

Suddenly Archer got agro.
And had been killed by Zimo in "BB" of those "ClericOfBB".

I know, that anyone killed during fight with boss will not get reward even if we will kill boss without him/her.

So I told: "Res her".

ClericOfBB was sitting in "BB".

Other (GoodCleric) start to resurent dead Archer and did it before death of Zimo.

Eventually I fall down in the same moment as Zimo, although GoodCleric tried to save me.

Really, I did this bh with other squad.

And during those day got more than 500k of spirit, was in fb, other bhs, but this event ...

I saw same ClericOfBB before, when we attacked Wyvern.

Barbarian was out of BB and I had healed him (I have now 10th level of Morning Dew).

And don't think that BB can be good in some cases.

If Zimo is Target Oriented boss (without AOE) then what is aim of BB ?

Edit:
Is BB an other method of being AFK for lazy players ?
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Damage Reduction from attacks.
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    LOL, i think i may have squaded with that guy, had a cleric in a BH51 run the other day that insisted on using BB all the way through my pet tanking Fush. And Shaodu Cub does take quite a bit of time. At least it was good for keeping my mp up...
  • AinaMizuako - Sanctuary
    AinaMizuako - Sanctuary Posts: 1,041 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Damage Reduction from attacks.

    And the regen. b:avoid
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  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    If you were out of BB range, why didn't you just move into BB range?

    You are certainly correct that there are many instances where BB isn't your best bet though.

    And as Escorian said, the benefit of BB in a situation like that is the decrease damage taken while healing at the same time.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    If you were out of BB range, why didn't you just move into BB range? ...

    Until death of Archer BB for me was not necessary.

    After death of Archer in BB I had been left without personal healer as tank.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Until death of Archer BB for me was not necessary.

    After death of Archer in BB I had left without personal healer as tank.

    >.> and yet you still didnt move into range of bb.
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    In that situation, I would think you would look at the BB as your main source of healing and allow the other cleric to assist heal and DD. Otherwise the BB is wasted, as is the other cleric.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    ...Otherwise the BB is wasted, as is the other cleric.
    It was wasted. For me and for squad members.

    And I don't think that BB is necessary at Fushma, Quingzi (low level -as example), Zimo, and same bosses.
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  • Escorian - Dreamweaver
    Escorian - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,802 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    It was wasted. For me and for squad members.

    And I don't think that BB is necessary at Fushma, Quingzi, Zimo, and same bosses.

    bb also takes less mp to heal then IH does so its better choice imo
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    ty Nowitsawn

    Everything has its beginnings, but it doesn't start at one. It starts long before that... The world is born From zero. The moment zero becomes one is the moment the world springs to life. One becomes 2. 2 becomes 10. 10 becomes 100. taking it all back to one solves nothing. so long as zero remains... One.. Will eventually grow to 100 again.
  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    You are missing my point. The BB was wasted because you didn't take advantage of it.

    While I agree that BB is unneeded in many/most boss situations, Zimo included - if you have a spare cleric who agrees to use it there's no reason not to make sure you are inside the range and allow the other cleric to mainly DD.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    You are missing my point. The BB was wasted because you didn't take advantage of it...

    Next time I will run behind any Cleric that will say "BB" ;)
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  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    All and all I agree with most of what you've said, btw.

    Just that if you are tanking with 2 clerics and one sets up a BB, it makes the other cleric's life a heck of a lot easier if you make sure you are in BB range.
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  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    All and all I agree with most of what you've said, btw.

    Just that if you are tanking with 2 clerics and one sets up a BB, it makes the other cleric's life a heck of a lot easier if you make sure you are in BB range.

    Thank you all. I see it now.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Some clerics do seem to love wasting their mana on those blue bubbles.

    so whilst I'm here let me take the opportunity to shout:
    IF THE PET IS TANKING, AND THERE'S NO AOE, THEN STOP WITH THE DAMN BUBBLE!

    Pets don't get healed by the blue bubble. They don't get buffed by either bubble. No one else is taking damage. What the heck are you smoking? Attack already!
  • Candeh_Love - Sanctuary
    Candeh_Love - Sanctuary Posts: 106 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Some clerics do seem to love wasting their mana on those blue bubbles.

    so whilst I'm here let me take the opportunity to shout:
    IF THE PET IS TANKING, AND THERE'S NO AOE, THEN STOP WITH THE DAMN BUBBLE!

    Pets don't get healed by the blue bubble. They don't get buffed by either bubble. No one else is taking damage. What the heck are you smoking? Attack already!



    ROFL! You just made my day <3
  • Candydrop - Lost City
    Candydrop - Lost City Posts: 61 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i think the main problem is these kinda of situation isn't that he didn't move to BB range, which he should have done, but the fact that the cleric was too lazy or occupied with something else so he choose the easy option to bb without even noticing if the person that is tanking is in bb range or not and then just went afk during the boss. During easy or low lvl bhs and if there is another cleric there this normally wouldn't cause a problem, but i wouldn't wanna squad with a cleric like that on TT instances where i have to lure the boss and the tank tries to catch it but lazy cleric has already set bb up and either gets heal aggro and dies or tank manages to catch boss outside bb range and dies, is it so hard to w8 1 min to see where tank is before casting bb? after u know everything is ok go afk all u want.
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  • Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands
    Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

    Edit:
    Is BB an other method of being AFK for lazy players ?


    <-- Guilty
    e.gif

    Also i afk during TT bosses:
    -i get in position for healing.
    -use the apoth 100% mp regen orb.
    -leave my cellphone over my keyboard, pressing 4 (my key assigned for IH :D)
    -Pray that aggro doesnt go random (Armor boss)
    -i AFK
    -???
    -profit
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  • Dari - Raging Tide
    Dari - Raging Tide Posts: 1 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I would say that instead of BBing, maybe the cleric in this situation should RB. Let the other cleric heal the tank, and RB speeds up and increases the damage. Also, RB only takes one spark, so if u have to stop the RB to heal someone, u can pick it back up easier than BB, which takes 2 sparks.
  • Crypsis - Lost City
    Crypsis - Lost City Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Some clerics do seem to love wasting their mana on those blue bubbles.

    so whilst I'm here let me take the opportunity to shout:
    IF THE PET IS TANKING, AND THERE'S NO AOE, THEN STOP WITH THE DAMN BUBBLE!

    Pets don't get healed by the blue bubble. They don't get buffed by either bubble. No one else is taking damage. What the heck are you smoking? Attack already!

    Actually spamming ironheart costs about as much as using BB for the poor cleric >.<

    It actually costs a lot more than using BB if you have sage/demon ironheart/wellspring. So using BB is cheaper AND you can be afk, which is why 2 clerics in a party often fights over who gets to BB.

    But using BB when pet is tanking lol i never seen anyone that dumb b:chuckle
  • Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands
    Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Crypsis - Lost City wrote: »
    Actually spamming ironheart costs about as much as using BB for the poor cleric >.<

    It actually costs a lot more than using BB if you have sage/demon ironheart/wellspring. So using BB is cheaper AND you can be afk, which is why 2 clerics in a party often fights over who gets to BB.

    But using BB when pet is tanking lol i never seen anyone that dumb b:chuckle

    Not necessarly.
    Only if you are spamming IH u waist more mp.
    But the thing is, only on rly hard bosses is IH spamming necessary.

    For Zimo, with a wiz/cleric tanking, there is no need for spam healing.

    There is enough time between for debuff, purify and a tempest.

    in my opinion, BB is only necessary in strong AoE bosses, weak ones, like gournob and stuff are doable with a group heal from time to time;
    and on very strong bosses, even if they dont AoE. I mean, the dmg cut is awesome :D.

    But, from my experience, BB seems always more expensive.
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  • Crypsis - Lost City
    Crypsis - Lost City Posts: 78 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands wrote: »
    Not necessarly.
    Only if you are spamming IH u waist more mp.
    But the thing is, only on rly hard bosses is IH spamming necessary.

    For Zimo, with a wiz/cleric tanking, there is no need for spam healing.

    There is enough time between for debuff, purify and a tempest.

    in my opinion, BB is only necessary in strong AoE bosses, weak ones, like gournob and stuff are doable with a group heal from time to time;
    and on very strong bosses, even if they dont AoE. I mean, the dmg cut is awesome :D.

    But, from my experience, BB seems always more expensive.

    You dont have lvl 11 wellspring/ironheart yet...
    Costs more than BB b:cry.

    Even DD-ing with lvl 11 cyclone, thunder, plume shoot costs about same as BB actually. Sucks for clerics they need an mp pool buff like wizards :(

    At lvl 10 spamming wellspring will cost the same as BB. But if you also use ironheart, debuff boss etc - like you do at easier bosses, its a lil bit cheaper.
  • Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands
    Rabid_Cleric - Harshlands Posts: 57 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Crypsis - Lost City wrote: »
    You dont have lvl 11 wellspring/ironheart yet...
    Costs more than BB b:cry.

    Even DD-ing with lvl 11 cyclone, thunder, plume shoot costs about same as BB actually. Sucks for clerics they need an mp pool buff like wizards :(

    At lvl 10 spamming wellspring will cost the same as BB. But if you also use ironheart, debuff boss etc - like you do at easier bosses, its a lil bit cheaper.

    b:shocked
    Ur starting to scare me!!!!
    and yeah, i forgot about that fact >.<

    ...
    ...
    ...
    *wishes that BB alowed Apoth pots to be used*
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  • Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear
    Kiyoshi - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,385 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Dari - Raging Tide wrote: »
    I would say that instead of BBing, maybe the cleric in this situation should RB. Let the other cleric heal the tank, and RB speeds up and increases the damage. Also, RB only takes one spark, so if u have to stop the RB to heal someone, u can pick it back up easier than BB, which takes 2 sparks.

    if the archer can already take aggro from him with out rb... adding an rb would just speed up the process. if the op can't move in to the range of bb... why make you think he would move to the range of rb.

    i don't care what your doing... if someone has a bb up... YOU MOVE IN TO IT. certain exceptions applies... such as if the boss/mob has a intrupt skill... and in this case... he doesn't.

    in the end... if you did not get the kill count... its your own fault. should have gotten a clue and move in to the bb when your cleric's attention is elsewhere.
    1. If I kill you; do something about it yourself, don't go complaining to my wife.
    2. If you have less kill counts then me, don't expect me to take pk advice from you.
    3. If you are hiding behind an alt, don't expect me to acknowledge your existence.

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  • Lythiaana - Dreamweaver
    Lythiaana - Dreamweaver Posts: 156 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yea, you should have moved into the BB range. That's a definite "you-must-do" because the cleric can't move once BB is in effect. But anyways, I still don't understand why the cleric would BB at zimo. Ironheart is good enough O.o

    Unless the cleric is lazy of course b:shutup Because I have squaded with so many lazy clerics like this......
  • Magicsaber - Dreamweaver
    Magicsaber - Dreamweaver Posts: 727 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Today leveled to 70 (see sign.)

    I have better equipment now.

    Passed 3 bosses of bh51 - at lvl 69 and 3 bosses of bh59 - at lvl 70.

    Tanked Raving Drake Brute, Zimo , Qianji.

    We had one Cleric in squad only.

    Nobody even got agro at above bosses.

    Nobody died during attack on above bosses.

    Thanks Cleric, that was with us.
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  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    MANray_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    LOL, i think i may have squaded with that guy, had a cleric in a BH51 run the other day that insisted on using BB all the way through my pet tanking Fush. And Shaodu Cub does take quite a bit of time. At least it was good for keeping my mp up...

    I'm probably just tired, but I fail to understand what you are saying. How does BB help you, as a veno, keep your MP up? BB doesn't affect your pet, and doesn't increase MP regen?

    I apologize if I read your post wrong.
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  • Havilah - Sanctuary
    Havilah - Sanctuary Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Soul Transfusion, aka switch hp/mp bar with each other for up to 100chi with a 1 minute cooldown.
  • XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver
    XxLady_XelxX - Dreamweaver Posts: 455 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Escorian - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    bb also takes less mp to heal then IH does so its better choice imo

    Only when faced with situations that constant Chromatic Healing Beam spamming would be necessary without it. Otherwise Ironheart is infinitely less taxing on ones MP pool, if for no other reason than the fact that setting up BB automatically places the Cleric in active combat status and cuts their natural/powdered MP regen.
  • FatherTed - Dreamweaver
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,723 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Havilah - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Soul Transfusion, aka switch hp/mp bar with each other for up to 100chi with a 1 minute cooldown.

    I suppose - but it seems like a longshot that that would be a real bonus unless it was just the veno and the cleric, or if the veno has next to no mana pool. Unless the veno just spammed the skill every time it became active again, for some reason ignoring natures grace.
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  • MANray_ - Sanctuary
    MANray_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,311 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    FatherTed - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    I suppose - but it seems like a longshot that that would be a real bonus unless it was just the veno and the cleric, or if the veno has next to no mana pool. Unless the veno just spammed the skill every time it became active again, for some reason ignoring natures grace.

    Dude, it's considered standard for venos to replenish their mp this way if a cleric uses Regeneration Aura.

    1. Transfusion is instantly cast, Nature's Grace has a 2 second channel and a 1 sec cast. This makes it much faster.

    2. A cleric's BB HoT is usually effective enough to restore full hp within a couple of seconds.

    3. Nature's Grace has a 300 sec cooldown while Transfusion's 60 sec. It's convenient to keep Nature's Grace off cooldown for emergencies, especially as Soul Transfusion doubles as an emergency heal.

    4. The swap in between hp and mp bars is proportional, not on a 1-1 basis. This is the reason healing is a cost effective way in which venos can replenish their mp.

    5. Done with caution this involves no risk. While heavy AoE would require you to use soul transfussion with an mp bar at above 60-70% you can get away with using it at 20-30% in most scenarios. Once again the cleric's HoT is very effective, especially given a veno's usually low hp pool. I've never died while doing it nor have seen another veno fail in this. Noobs simply don't try it.

    Edit; I will grant you this. I remember a post some time ago in the veno forums warning about clerics being spooked by using this technique. Apparently those unfamiliar do get freaked out at watching an hp bar suddenly drop without an obvious reason. A joke sometimes venos play on clerics consists on using Soul while fainting. If the hp drops to the point where an hp bar won't be visible this is a good way to feign dying. It is not recommended to do this whilst on a dangerous situation however, only when fighting mobs you're sure your squadmates are taking care of.

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