LA best for PVP and reason why I advise light armor for PVP

MagicHamsta - Lost City · February 2010

TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »

Is this a troll LOL

You're using OP g15 equipment thats not even in game and fully stacked g12 phy def shards - that no one will ever be rich/dumb enough to use unless they play private server.

And still u managed to create a pathetic 1 shoot build b:chuckle

You have same mag def as an archer and half the hp of an archer. Even a vita build cleric or veno will be able to 1 shoot you b:chuckle

LOLOL just saw the evasion gear and the weapon, pataka for cata clerics <.<

yep.....proof that not even tons of monies can make up for stupidity if teh stupidity be of this magnitude.

Astoru - Heavens Tear · February 2010

LA wizards fail.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Astoru - Heavens Tear wrote: »

LA wizards fail.

Woot these thread just get a chance to start argument between pure arcane and la wizard. b:laugh
Good luck everyone b:sad

MagicHamsta - Lost City · February 2010

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Woot these thread just get a chance to start argument between pure arcane and la wizard. b:laugh
Good luck everyone b:sad

apparently the pure arcane side already won.
b:surrender

Yulk - Heavens Tear · February 2010

ok, I'll tell you the truth, neither my main barb or this bm, or most of my chars don't use LA simply because i'm not really getting hit with the opposite. Only my veno is LA / magic instrument build so she can use fox form and survive better with physical hits, so I have both arcane and light armor and Yulk can wear it but he is using heavy because I get at close range, but I will get him light armor for pure magic mobs while using magic marrows to tank magic attacks better FOR MAGIC ATTACKS. Any armor can disappoint you if you don't use it and shard it properly, waste of time. If you guys think LA is fail and / or think outdated shards will help you, and HP shards increase so little on classes other than barbs, some skills have NOTHING based on HP, like archers and clerics, adding outdated HP shards on them sucks.

I guess the forums failed even more than the ingame dumboes that don't know how to play their class. IDK maybe, I seen 2 arcane / sword bms -_-" but yeah, where is the sense? lol.

And I'm trolling because I am saying for people that wants to use LA is advised to use it, thats just funny xD

Meeplk - Harshlands · February 2010

http://i634.photobucket.com/albums/uu63/moonjester8/th_troll.jpg o hai there

Asperitas - Lost City · February 2010

Title: LA best for PVP and reason why I advise light armor for PVP

Then:

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

but I will get him light armor for pure magic mobs while using magic marrows to tank magic attacks better FOR MAGIC ATTACKS.

Do you PVP with mobs?

b:puzzled

Dallandra - Lost City · February 2010

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

Do you PVP with mobs?

b:puzzled

bwahahaha awesome xD

Yulk - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

Title: LA best for PVP and reason why I advise light armor for PVP

Then:

Do you PVP with mobs?

b:puzzled

your truly clueless and your 80+ xD. its not like mobs does 1 dmg to you, even bosses. PVPing with that against magic classes work the same, its just actual players your fighting. PVP can end faster than PVE xD. I think you play JD as well, understandable that you got mixed up with JD and PWI lol b:bye

You don't have to wear light armor to PVP if you don't want to, but don't get people to not use light armor because its what they want.

I only PVE and I mainly use main armors for my classes, heavy for barbs and bms, arcane for clerics and wizards, and light armor for archers. Only LA mix is my veno, but I mainly use arcane still and not for once I had trouble with LA on her, period

Asperitas - Lost City · February 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

PVPing with that against magic classes work the same, its just actual players your fighting.

Can magic users please enlighten this lad on how you guys take care of BMs who wear LA and magic marrow?

And just from personal experience, PVP is rarely 1 vs 1. Your tactic might be of some use in duels, but in PVP, it will get you killed left right and center. Don't believe me? Try going to PK wars or Territory Wars. Target a mage and magic marrow while in LA. See what happens to you.

No knowledge can be dangerous, but little knowledge can be embarassing my friend.

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

Can magic users please enlighten this lad on how you guys take care of BMs who wear LA and magic marrow?

And just from personal experience, PVP is rarely 1 vs 1. Your tactic might be of some use in duels, but in PVP, it will get you killed left right and center. Don't believe me? Try going to PK wars or Territory Wars. Target a mage and magic marrow while in LA. See what happens to you.

No knowledge can be dangerous, but little knowledge can be embarassing my friend.

You mean PK ? b:surrender
The op not play in pvp server and he only talk about pvp 1vs1 i guess x.x

Asperitas - Lost City · February 2010

Depends on how you define PVP I suppose.

I've always thought going around killing people was "PKing", while having a giant war/TW where everyone's duking it out was "PVP".

Perhaps someone can verify ?_?

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear · February 2010

I guess
What op mean is duel where you has certain rules ?

And PK is kinda no rules and you can attack those who much weaker from you ?
Or attack someone who almost died after fighting other people ?

And TW is a cash shopper fight where everyone was high lv with uber gear? b:laugh

PVP = Player VS Player so all those count as pvp

Just say in PK and TW you rarely 1vs1 rather than say PVP. =(

VerenKaunis - Dreamweaver · February 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

If you have 5 STR, and 1 DEX or more per level in build, light armor still tops heavy armor in magic defense. Overall defense is not high as one or the other. Heavy armor will never be better than light armor, neither light is better than heavy. If light armor was so bad, how come archers or assassins not choose, saying as "forced" not to wear HA over LA?

On top of that, I mean build, so you can swap armors, which is better off.

HA venoes? But not HA assassin? Sounds absurd b:bye

1) I'd like to know how you get 6 'or more' stat points per level.
2) BMs and barbs (and even sins and archers) will laugh at you for wearing LA.
3) Venos, wizzies, clerics, and psychics will one shot you if you wear LA.
4) Balanced does not always mean better.
5) Archers and sins need 3 dex per level to use a current weapon. Heavy Armor requires 2.5 str per level. That's 5.5 stat points needed per level. I'd still like you to explain #1 to me.
6) Yes, you can swap armor but that takes at least a couple seconds. That may not sound like much but it's more than enough for someone to kill you.
7) Venos get 200% damage from melee mastery in fox form. They also get ****loads of p.def in fox form. In fox form, a veno's damage comes from str. Heavy armor needs lots of str.

Yulk - Heavens Tear · February 2010

MoonUsagi - Heavens Tear wrote: »

You mean PK ? b:surrender
The op not play in pvp server and he only talk about pvp 1vs1 i guess x.x

of course, if your ganked that does not mean 1 shot lol, your at risk of death regardless of what armor you use, whether its a fast gank or not. Unless they attacking low lvls b:chuckle

Kristoph - Lost City · February 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And I'm trolling because I am saying for people that wants to use LA is advised to use it, thats just funny xD

considering how terrible your english is I doubt you have any clue what trolling is

Asperitas - Lost City · February 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

of course, if your ganked that does not mean 1 shot lol, your at risk of death regardless of what armor you use, whether its a fast gank or not. Unless they attacking low lvls b:chuckle

When facing a gank, I'd rather have 10k of each resistance than having 15k magic resistance and 5k physical resistance, or vice versa. The question is not if there is risk or not, but rather how much risk there is, and what is the best way to minimize that risk. LA might beef you up in one area, but leaves you wide open in the other, and if you don't marrow, it's just **** overall.

Dralighte - Harshlands · February 2010

I'm disagree;

(exept for venos)

A good Wizard can silence, sleep, stun, shrink and use good genie skills(Holly path, in exemple) before a barb (lower magic res), a BM (with difficultys, but possible), archer.... it will be difficult, veno (If he paralyze her pet), sin, difficult too, psy; ressist magic.

For clerics, its depend of his skill he will use.

Aeremay - Harshlands · February 2010

Liesssss, LA is not the best for PvP. If you're HA, you can switch between Arcane and Heavy armor, or wear both. Wearing both can help you in your magical defenses and your physical defenses. Even though HA, cripples your magic, you can get gear to add on stats.
And for LA you need strength and dexterity both.

Yulk - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Aeremay - Harshlands wrote: »

Liesssss, LA is not the best for PvP. If you're HA, you can switch between Arcane and Heavy armor, or wear both. Wearing both can help you in your magical defenses and your physical defenses. Even though HA, cripples your magic, you can get gear to add on stats.
And for LA you need strength and dexterity both.

Don't you need the same for HA? b:laugh, HA requires the most points for armors...

Is it me or more people don't know maths?

2.5 STR, 0.5 DEX each LVL for AA. 3 POINTS TOTAL
1 STR, 1 DEX each LVL for LA. 2 POINTS TOTAL
0.5 STR, 1.5 MAG for AA. 2 POINTS TOTAL
And MOST weapons require 3.5 POINTS TOTAL

Basic arcane magic class
3 + 0.5 = 3.5 <-- free
needed
3.5*10 = 350

Magic class with light
3 + 1 + 1 = 5 <-- full
needed
5*10= 500
Magic class with heavy
3 + 2.5 + 0.5 = 6 <-- irrelevant
6*10= 600

If you use latest heavy, you'll have like literally 100 points missing out total. Even archers and sins can just gimp 100 of DEX, grab some extra STR in gears and they still use latest gears. Magic classes can't, even arcane armor is easier to gain. If you want to be heavy, go play a melee class then. b:bye

Asperitas - Lost City · February 2010

I stand by what I said. Please don't disregard it this time.

Asperitas - Lost City wrote: »

If you can build a BM using LA that can come out with more balanced defenses than the HA one I posted, with equivalent gear, then I will concede defeat.

Or any class for that matter, save for assassins and archers. And please don't say that build you posted in response to Kristoph's HA wizard was your "better" build. That atrocity was an embarassment.

Artoriul - Harshlands · February 2010

No........

Divine_Death - Dreamweaver · February 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just because I don't PVP, doesn't mean i don't know how to play.

No it doesn't mean you don't know how to play, it just means that you don't know how to PvP.

Just answer me one question. If you don't PvP, why advise people about PvP? Surely you know more about LA than the 101 archer who used LA his whole life. A lawyer witting a book on brain surgery wut?

Yulk - Heavens Tear · February 2010

I pretty much don't care for pvp, I'd be really silly to waste consumables on something senseless b:laugh . This BM can PVP, enough for poles, and enough for fists, if I buy light armor as SECONDARY ARMOR where I can SWITCH with HA and LA, don't really care what idiots say b:bye. I test skills out in duels to see how they work. Then do a real duel as sparring, which is PVP, I don't always win, but I don't always lose either and yes, I done all my duels in my main armors. b:bye

Asperitas - Lost City · February 2010

If you don't care to PVP, and you don't PVP, why offer any advice on it at all? Here you are, fighting to the death about it, first saying LA is the best for PVP because it's balanced, then you're moving to how it's a secondary armour. And to top all of it off, you're saying it works in duels so you're applying it to all other facets of PVP.

Nobody here has anything against sharing ideas, opinion and suggestions, but when you offer advice/guidance, one expects you to know what you're talking about.

My advice to you is to get some real PVP under your belt, then come back and spell us your advice again.

Duels are but a grain of sand on an infinite beach.

Aeremay - Harshlands · February 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Don't you need the same for HA? b:laugh, HA requires the most points for armors...

Is it me or more people don't know maths?

2.5 STR, 0.5 DEX each LVL for AA. 3 POINTS TOTAL
1 STR, 1 DEX each LVL for LA. 2 POINTS TOTAL
0.5 STR, 1.5 MAG for AA. 2 POINTS TOTAL
And MOST weapons require 3.5 POINTS TOTAL

Basic arcane magic class
3 + 0.5 = 3.5 <-- free
needed
3.5*10 = 350

Magic class with light
3 + 1 + 1 = 5 <-- full
needed
5*10= 500
Magic class with heavy
3 + 2.5 + 0.5 = 6 <-- irrelevant
6*10= 600

If you use latest heavy, you'll have like literally 100 points missing out total. Even archers and sins can just gimp 100 of DEX, grab some extra STR in gears and they still use latest gears. Magic classes can't, even arcane armor is easier to gain. If you want to be heavy, go play a melee class then. b:bye

No, you don't need the same for HA, if you're a veno, it's just in Str & Mag. Rofl, you would have to buy gear to add up your magic stats, dex, str, etc. Since you're not supposed to invest it into one category at once, then you'd be low on a few.

Axels - Harshlands · February 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I pretty much don't care for pvp, I'd be really silly to waste consumables on something senseless b:laugh . This BM can PVP, enough for poles, and enough for fists, if I buy light armor as SECONDARY ARMOR where I can SWITCH with HA and LA, don't really care what idiots say b:bye. I test skills out in duels to see how they work. Then do a real duel as sparring, which is PVP, I don't always win, but I don't always lose either and yes, I done all my duels in my main armors.

Duel doesnt = PVp or sparring as you call it and in a pvp if you switch between armor in mid fight youll be dead by the time and its a waste of quick key space so someone who knows has no exp in pvp b:bye Pvp is for fun so how is that pointless if thats the whole point of the gameb:surrender Duels are diffrent than actual Pvp

angellicdeity · February 2010

Light armor is THE WORST armor to have in PvP.

Join a PvP Server before talking about PvP builds.

Or... Join TW and learn for yourself that LA is the worst armor to have for PvP.

Gasoline - Lost City · February 2010

Yulk - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Don't you need the same for HA? b:laugh, HA requires the most points for armors...

Is it me or more people don't know maths?

2.5 STR, 0.5 DEX each LVL for AA. 3 POINTS TOTAL
1 STR, 1 DEX each LVL for LA. 2 POINTS TOTAL
0.5 STR, 1.5 MAG for AA. 2 POINTS TOTAL
And MOST weapons require 3.5 POINTS TOTAL

Basic arcane magic class
3 + 0.5 = 3.5 <-- free
needed
3.5*10 = 350

Magic class with light
3 + 1 + 1 = 5 <-- full
needed
5*10= 500
Magic class with heavy
3 + 2.5 + 0.5 = 6 <-- irrelevant
6*10= 600

If you use latest heavy, you'll have like literally 100 points missing out total. Even archers and sins can just gimp 100 of DEX, grab some extra STR in gears and they still use latest gears. Magic classes can't, even arcane armor is easier to gain. If you want to be heavy, go play a melee class then. b:bye

Did you miss the part where about 40% of the higher lvl venomancer population uses a mix of heavy armor and arcane. Its not hard for me at all to have 250 str and 54 dex for lvl 99 heavy and than 289 magic for my Lunar weapon. God you really have no clue about gear and builds at all do you? Just typing random stuff to get attention b:shocked

Mage_Fizban - Dreamweaver · February 2010

No. Blademasters should stat mag because wizards hit them too much. So then they can switch between HA and AA. Yup. /sarcasm

Although that probably would do them more good than wearing LA ****.

LA best for PVP and reason why I advise light armor for PVP

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