LA veno any good?
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Now are hits hilighted in red normal hits or crit hits? cause if they are crits then 20k-30k crits on fb bosses is nothing imo, considering 1) you have a blessing equipped. 2) Heaven's Flame, Deep poision, amp damage, or maybe even mind break from myraid rainbow was up. 3) You are also buffed increasing your magic attack, or the boss's element was earth, enabling you to deal more wood damage to the boss. or your wep is refined to at least +5... right?>.<0 -
Weap is +3 wand, no BM in squad. What you see there is blessing + cleric buffs only. No amps or myriad either. My crits, even with my +3 weapon, reach 60-75k with HF. Like so (although lower lvl boss then fats). HF + amp - no idea but higher then 80k. Demon sparked? Would break the 100k barrier.
But you missed the point; that pic has nothing to do with dmg, its the crits. I could easily refine my weapon to +11; if this was a PvP situation the person I'm targetting would be in quite a bit of trouble, charm or not.
I would like to see the same from vit arcane; but they lack this kind of spike damage.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Weap is +3 wand, no BM in squad. What you see there is blessing + cleric buffs only. No amps or myriad either. My crits, even with my +3 weapon, reach 60-70k with HF + amp.
But you missed the point; that pic has nothing to do with dmg, its the crits. I could easily refine my weapon to +11; if this was a PvP situation the person I'm targetting would be in quite a bit of trouble, charm or not.
I would like to see the same from vit arcane; but they lack this kind of spike damage.
Just out of curiousity, can you link your current stats and gear to pwcalc?>.<0 -
How much crit % do you have to crit so often?[sigpic][/sigpic]
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KallenHapti - Sanctuary wrote: »How much crit % do you have to crit so often?
I currently have 24% crit with Leaf Dance. To crit that often consistently you would probably need 35% crit and above... a high but not unachievable figure by endgame.Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »Just out of curiousity, can you link your current stats and gear to pwcalc?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
If lower lows and higher highs is great, why aren't we all running around with patakas?Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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@ axt57, thats actually a pretty good LA build, and you did an exceptional job with it. I wouldnt call that one a fail. But, most LA venos i player info in game or even use eyes of observation on don't even come close to those stats.>.<0
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If lower lows and higher highs is great, why aren't we all running around with patakas?
Unreliable pet heals, probably.
With a wand my pet heals are stable, and yet I can still deliver good spike damage when I want to by crits.
Also, with a pataka you have no control over when you hit high/low ends of its damage range. Criting with a wand is different; I could replace my lunar rings or stop using Leaf Dance to significantly lower my spike chance, but keep my overall m.damage spread very tight.
That and I'm not sure there are any actual good patakas for casters (warsoul and nirvana not included). Even the Rank 8 one, while having nice damage, has some bizarro stats.
Having said that, give me a pataka with a massive crit rate and I'll take it gladly.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
If lower lows and higher highs is great, why aren't we all running around with patakas?
For some wierd reason the devs thought the pataka would make a good patck weapon...... It seems most patakas are either defensive (pdef, hp bonuses), or focus on patck bonuses.... Wierd choice to have patk bonus on the slowest of the magic weapons.... It would had made way more sense to have the pataka critical bonuses (make it a nice gamble weapon, potential for high damage or crappy) and give the magic sword the patck and defensive bonuses.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
if you havent noticed, alot of the magic swords are pretty defensive. buddhas leaf, wraith conqueror, broken dream, sakyamunis etc.IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »For some wierd reason the devs thought the pataka would make a good patck weapon...... It seems most patakas are either defensive (pdef, hp bonuses), or focus on patck bonuses.... Wierd choice to have patk bonus on the slowest of the magic weapons.... It would had made way more sense to have the pataka critical bonuses (make it a nice gamble weapon, potential for high damage or crappy) and give the magic sword the patck and defensive bonuses.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »if you havent noticed, alot of the magic swords are pretty defensive. buddhas leaf, wraith conqueror, broken dream, sakyamunis etc.
The only weapons I remember that have patck bonuses as magic weapons are the patakas, even though they have the slowest attack speed. Also, if you look at the stats, the patakas have better defensive stats than the swords.
TT99 pataka has better defensive bonuses than the lunar sword or the TT defensive sword. Also, the frost pataka as better defensive bonuses than any other magic weapon or similar level (the gold emerald, not the silverrain).
Lunar pataka has patk, so does the rank 8 pataka, no other type of magic weapon has patck bonuses.
That is what I was talking about, if you look at the bonus stats, the patakas are screaming fox form, but it has the slowest attack speed of any other magic weapon, while having the most desireble bonus attributes for fox form.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
maybe they dont want you to use melee hits just skills from fox form... idk0
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maybe they dont want you to use melee hits just skills from fox form... idk
That would be my guess.... as Solaris calculated before, after you get past a certain amount of str, you actualy do more damage with regular attacks only than using the skills with things they way they are now, maybe the path bonus balances them out more for those venos that are not HA, but I am not sure its enough, since they are quite a bit slower.Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
Magic Attack +70IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »The only weapons I remember that have patck bonuses as magic weapons are the patakas, even though they have the slowest attack speed. Also, if you look at the stats, the patakas have better defensive stats than the swords.
TT99 pataka has better defensive bonuses than the lunar sword or the TT defensive sword. Also, the frost pataka as better defensive bonuses than any other magic weapon or similar level (the gold emerald, not the silverrain).
Lunar pataka has patk, so does the rank 8 pataka, no other type of magic weapon has patck bonuses.
That is what I was talking about, if you look at the bonus stats, the patakas are screaming fox form, but it has the slowest attack speed of any other magic weapon, while having the most desireble bonus attributes for fox form.
Phys. Res.: +289
Reduce Physical damage taken +2%
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Magic Attack +70
Phys. Res.: +289
Reduce Physical damage taken +2%
lunar magic sword > pataka
i was refering to how a ton of magic swords have pdef, vit, and hp mods. they work wonders for us defensive vit arcane builds[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
Still think p.def on a weapon is a waste of a stat, unless you are full magic AA or something.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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Well what which lunar wep would be perfect for a HA/AA build veno? The wand is good for a stable magic attack, but it has a puney physical attack. The pataka has stats that could be useful for a HA veno, and a stable physical attack, but its magic attack is unstable. where as the sword adds in vit and phys resist (which aggreed is useless unless your pure arcane) And I think the best for LA venos is neon purgatory. So does that just leave Dying Spirit for heavy venos?>.<0
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Unreliable pet heals, probably.
With a wand my pet heals are stable, and yet I can still deliver good spike damage when I want to by crits.
Also, with a pataka you have no control over when you hit high/low ends of its damage range. Criting with a wand is different; I could replace my lunar rings or stop using Leaf Dance to significantly lower my spike chance, but keep my overall m.damage spread very tight.
The point is that your regular atk is extremely low in exchange for occasional high random hits. I count on a tight range of dmg when grinding. If I've got 3 mobs aggroed with my Nix, I want to know if I can take them out before one can get me. I want to know if and when I'm going to draw aggro. I want to know that I'm not going to get 5 weak heals in a row on a tough boss. -Now that's just the PvE side of it. If I were in PvP, I'd like to rely less on luck.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
The point is that your regular atk is extremely low in exchange for occasional high random hits. I count on a tight range of dmg when grinding. If I've got 3 mobs aggroed with my Nix, I want to know if I can take them out before one can get me. I want to know if and when I'm going to draw aggro. I want to know that I'm not going to get 5 weak heals in a row on a tough boss. -Now that's just the PvE side of it. If I were in PvP, I'd like to rely less on luck.
Are you talking about using a pataka or my build?
I can assure you my regular hits are not "extremely" low and my crits are not "occasional".[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Are you talking about using a pataka or my build?
I can assure you my regular hits are not "extremely" low and my crits are not "occasional".
In the image you show 4 non crits in a row: http://i46.tinypic.com/33z4c3b.jpg
At this link: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0127376347ddb223 ,
Your matk with a +3 weapon sharded with +75 is: 5370-5447
My matk with a +2 unsharded by comparison is: 6916-8048.
Having the kind of inconsistency in dps that you have would hinder my efficiency in PvE greatly. I also think for the amount you put into equips, you could get equivalent or better survivability with better MP efficiency as a pure mag. If you don't PvE much, then it's all a bit irrelevant.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0 -
In the image you show 4 non crits in a row: http://i46.tinypic.com/33z4c3b.jpg
At this link: http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0127376347ddb223 ,
Your matk with a +3 weapon sharded with +75 is: 5370-5447
My matk with a +2 unsharded by comparison is: 6916-8048.
Having the kind of inconsistency in dps that you have would hinder my efficiency in PvE greatly. I also think for the amount you put into equips, you could get equivalent or better survivability with better MP efficiency as a pure mag. If you don't PvE much, then it's all a bit irrelevant.Here's the equips I wear most often (pure mag):
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=ea562754e47a3408
According to your pwcalc build your weapon is +3, has an alabaster shard and your m.atk is not 6916-8048. Your HP is also very low.
And no, as I have said before LA is a PvP build; why do you keep comparing it to PvE builds? I didn't spend 6-7 months gathering enough coin for my equips to be able to square off against PWI AI - not to say I ever have issues with it. If I wanted optimal performance in PvE I'd have gone sage vit arcane.
And MP efficiency? I don't know why MP is a factor in any discussion, not when you can get 5k MP for a meer 1k coin, and a set of skills that can pull out 100% of your MP from nowhere.
As for my crit, that image also shows me doing 2 sets of back to back crits.. whats your point? My crit is still low anyway - its something I'm working towards fixing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »Magic Attack +70
Phys. Res.: +289
Reduce Physical damage taken +2%
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Magic Attack +70
Phys. Res.: +289
Reduce Physical damage taken +2%
lunar magic sword > pataka
i was refering to how a ton of magic swords have pdef, vit, and hp mods. they work wonders for us defensive vit arcane builds
Lunar sword:
patk - 456-684 (average 570)
matk - 831-1016 (923.5)
Vital +16-17 (translates to about 192-204 HP)
+240 pdef
+3% physical damage reduction
Atck speed - 1.25
TT99 Pataka
patk - 535-654 (594.5)
matk - 646-1200 (923)
+2% physical damage reduction
+289 pdef
+285 HP
atk speed - 1.00
Lunar Pataka:
patk - 535-654 (594.5)
matk - 646-1200 (923)
Str +16-17
+3 % critical
+96 patk
atk speed - 1.00
Frost Pataka
patk - 491-600 (545.5)
matk - 593-1102 (847.5)
+70 matk
+289 pdef
+2% physical damage reduction
atk speed - 1.00
For a defensive weapon for a caster, the TT99 pataka is actualy a little better than the sword, it only has 0.5 less average matck, and gives more patk, HP and Pdef, although the 1% reduction difference in favour of the sword can make a difference against very hard hitting mobs. A another downside of the pataka would be the matk damage spread, making the heals not as uniform.
For a fox form offensive weapon, the Lunar pataka bonuses are much better than the sword's, however, the sword should do more patk damage using regular attacks for HA builds, while it should be pretty even for non-HA builds while in fox form.
That is all I am saying, for a weapon with a 20% slower attack speed, they sure load them with bonuses that scream fox form and fox form attacks....Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
at +12 the Buddha's leaf actually refines better than Divine aegis.
Buddhas Leaf http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=4eaa5cd486f01eac
Divine Aegis http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=2e54b22ea2d7a40d
But unless you take it to +12, Divine aegis still has a higher attack, even at +10 and 11.>.<0 -
I personally love my LA build, with all lvl 10 buff, this is what i get as LA.
72xxHp
Matk 5200-7970
7.5k mdef with only 4k earth def (Don expect to see a lot of earth atk till we have many psychic)
15% crit
Gears i wear:
Dying spirit +3
Warsong hp helm+4
87 Mold armor+4
85 frost pants+3
95 Heavenrage+4
OHT LA arm+3
TT90 gold neck (+5% hp one)+4
unicorn forest 90 belt+3
Torment Robe+4
1 lunar magic ring+4
1 crappy ring
Some immac some flawless citrine.
Nothing good nothing too bad
As a veno, by the time u 95, buying these shouldn't be too much problem. +4 on non-weapon can be easily done within 40 mirage for me.0 -
My LA build really shined from lvl 68-78, but not so much anymore. I hate it now.>.<0
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Then off hand I'd say you're not building correctly for LA. Because clearly I'm seeing very successful builds with LA.Ms_HopToIt - Sanctuary wrote: »My LA build really shined from lvl 68-78, but not so much anymore. I hate it now.
Mine isn't quite at that stage yet, but its gone from being pretty squishy to being able to survive things a bit better with 4.2K HP, TT90 light armor (flawless HP), and a Yaksa. With cleric buffs (I dislike soloing I'm almost always in a party if I can be), I hit around 64% defenses and around 5.1K HP.
It may not be quite as impressive as others may have, but then I'm going cheap on shards (haven't socket stoned yet) and refines (my gear is all +1 only) until level 95-97 when I start replacing the TT90 pieces with legendary versions. Not to mention boosts from sage skills which I still need to get.
Edit: It'd be nice if someone could sticky the best LA thread because I swear this question is coming up every week or two.0 -
Ryiah - Heavens Tear wrote: »Then off hand I'd say you're not building correctly for LA. Because clearly I'm seeing very successful builds with LA.
Mine isn't quite at that stage yet, but its gone from being pretty squishy to being able to survive things a bit better with 4.2K HP, TT90 light armor (flawless HP), and a Yaksa. With cleric buffs (I dislike soloing I'm almost always in a party if I can be), I hit around 64% defenses and around 5.1K HP.
It may not be quite as impressive as others may have, but then I'm going cheap on shards (haven't socket stoned yet) and refines (my gear is all +1 only) until level 95-97 when I start replacing the TT90 pieces with legendary versions. Not to mention boosts from sage skills which I still need to get.
Edit: It'd be nice if someone could sticky the best LA thread because I swear this question is coming up every week or two.
No, it's nothing like that. I can easily make a very good LA build. However after testing it out, it's just not for me. That's what I meant. I loved LA for awhile, because it enabled me to do things in squads that i never wouldve done as an arcane veno, like tank a bh boss in foxform. (It helped cause i was sharded with garnets/citrines) But during 8x I opted to go full citrines, so i highly doubt I could still do that atm. I would love to take on tanking again, but I just don't see myself doing that in LA. at 9x a vit arcane veno sharded with garnets would have a better chance of tanking, dispite them having only 5 dex, because arcane w/garnets yeilds better defenses than LA>.<0 -
In the image you show 4 non crits in a row: http://i46.tinypic.com/33z4c3b.jpg
I've had archers non-crit me 8 times in a row..what's your point? If axt was able to crit that often in a set of hits like that, that's quite good..Just because someone doesn't crit 4 times in a row doesn't mean its a fail build. Crits are random, some archers have 40% crit now a days, but sometimes they miss 4 crits in a row.0
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