Cerberean Sentinel - World Boss

Katzyn - Sanctuary
Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
edited April 2010 in Twilight Temple (West)
Tonight, my faction and our ally faction (Epitaphs and Kakumau) took down our first World Boss, Cerberean Sentinel, who is located up north in the snow.

One thing quickly became apparent.

This WB HATES venomancers. Anytime I even breathed near him (ie, Brambled the tank, shot sparks to the tank, attacked the boss, amp'd the boss...), he struck me down with his axe attack and killed me. I think I (and every other veno there) died at LEAST 20 times. I got to the point where I told the clerics to not bother healing us, because he's just going to kill us if we do anything. Sometimes, all we had to do was REZ, and he'd take us out.

I think the Wizards may have had a similar issue (there were only three, and they were our highest levels, so they may have just pulled aggro), because I usually only saw them dead.

The clerics were almost always fine, the barbs/BMs/sins/psys/archers, fine.

Anyway, the point of the thread.

Is this something other groups have found with this boss? Are other World Bosses like this? Is there a nifty little guide with each WB, and their quirks? We've all seen the ecatomb WB page, but it really doesn't say much, in regards to little quirks.

Thanks for reading, and for any info you can provide me with~
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    AOE attacks...

    Clerics were fine because they could stay out of AOE range with a high-levelled Ironheart.

    And yeah, venos are small. Even a wimpy cleric could eat one.

    Its human nature that things that happen to yourself are more obvious than things happenning to other pepole.
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  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    All venos were out of aoe range. Besides, the aoe looked like a grey-ish cloud that enveloped you and everyone near the boss.

    What I'm talking about is an axe. The boss would leave the tank to run at whatever veno he chose at the time, and he'd throw an axe at her, instantly felling her with 25k damage. We could be as far away as our spell range would allow, we could be close, or we could be near the clerics (at one point, I was further away than the clerics who were healing the tank, and the boss still axe'd me and only me, none of the clerics near me were affected, though they were closer to him).

    And when you're laying dead for over half the battle because it just keeps killing you, you have a lot of time to see what's going on with the other people in the fight.

    Please, if you don't actually know anything about this topic, about what I asked...don't answer, haha. Or you just look silly.
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  • Softie - Harshlands
    Softie - Harshlands Posts: 83 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    that sounds alot like random arrgoing and i havent fought this world boss so im not completely sure

    and random arrgo is uhhh random

    maybe u were jus very unlucky with his randomness
  • Centaura - Dreamweaver
    Centaura - Dreamweaver Posts: 127 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Psh want to know the equivalent of what happened to you to the other classes except 20 times worse two words: Harpy Wraith
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  • Airyll - Dreamweaver
    Airyll - Dreamweaver Posts: 2,882 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Random aggro. It is random for a reason.

    However it's a similar story with Element Lord. Every Gamma I've ever run, if we reach the end Element Lord will always chase after a veno should we have on in squad. As in, run through the whole valley right next to Harpy to reach the veno. The only way to avoid this and the following painstaking process of getting Element Lord back to the auras was to have the veno wait in Happy Valley by the forges.

    Perhaps certain bosses are more likely to randomly reset aggression and attack on particular class then to reset on another class. A few bosses seem reset happy on one particular class where as another won't. Nothing to worry about and certainly not anything new.
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  • AinaMizuako - Sanctuary
    AinaMizuako - Sanctuary Posts: 1,041 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Isn't he supposed to stun at range, then go to you and melee? o.o
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  • LadyVvall - Sanctuary
    LadyVvall - Sanctuary Posts: 44 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ...Harpy Wraith is the damn devil...Even with sage ress, (for those who do not know it gives 40 meter range), and being at max range I was still in AoE range. I died at least 12 times, and I was the one supposed to be ressing people. Sadly more than half the people who showed to kill Harpy remained dead as I could not stay alive long enough to ress them...b:surrender
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  • StormHydra - Sanctuary
    StormHydra - Sanctuary Posts: 2,221 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Well, you asked for info about WBs and I gave some info. O_o IDK how thats looking silly, unless its PWI forums exaggerating everything as usual.

    Random aggro, is it a bug or intended? the way you say it makes it seem like its a bug.
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  • Vitenka - Dreamweaver
    Vitenka - Dreamweaver Posts: 4,125 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Krimison (the eyes) has the same "Axe that pet" attack. Might be worth practising on him? If you can find a way to stop it there, I'd love to know :)
  • Pressa - Heavens Tear
    Pressa - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,287 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    b:worried Attention should be paid its the barbs job to cancel that its a aoe and a short range aoe at that Krimson as well as Sentinel its a amp damage he does that and then aoes your sorry butt they survive because they aren't puny like you. What venos need to do at that point is to get 2 sparks bramble hood run in do what they need to do and get the HELL out of there.

    Lots of bosses after 70 have random aggro its not a bug its a intended thing in the game to make it harder to keep him away from killing your squishies. I suggest you get 3 barbs to constantly cancel the sucker and or get a bunch of people with canceling abilities. The only way to avoid things like this is to stay out of range with krimson he random aggros and will kill pretty much everything so you have all your DDs fly in the air outside of the aoe while the tank stays on the ground to control the boss with clerics in the air purifying and healing.

    Its not a thing against venos it will hit anyone. Thats why until you know you can survive it with bramble hood up you should never get close to a boss without it.

    The Summary of this is you failed as venos and didn't use your ablities.
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  • Shevanel - Sanctuary
    Shevanel - Sanctuary Posts: 436 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I was there too, Katz >:

    Though I showered midway through d :

    Lost a bunch of GA's too.
    Was fun though.
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  • sidmeyster
    sidmeyster Posts: 14 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    My faction tried the same boss recently and you are right it killed veno's and wiz's dozens of times - one shot debuff. Clerics were fine and the bm's, archers etc too. We loved it b:chuckle, even though veno's were way out of range it would go towards them one shot and back to tank.

    lol I really enjoyed it
  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    b:worried Attention should be paid its the barbs job to cancel that its a aoe and a short range aoe at that Krimson as well as Sentinel its a amp damage he does that and then aoes your sorry butt they survive because they aren't puny like you. What venos need to do at that point is to get 2 sparks bramble hood run in do what they need to do and get the HELL out of there.

    Lots of bosses after 70 have random aggro its not a bug its a intended thing in the game to make it harder to keep him away from killing your squishies. I suggest you get 3 barbs to constantly cancel the sucker and or get a bunch of people with canceling abilities. The only way to avoid things like this is to stay out of range with krimson he random aggros and will kill pretty much everything so you have all your DDs fly in the air outside of the aoe while the tank stays on the ground to control the boss with clerics in the air purifying and healing.

    Its not a thing against venos it will hit anyone. Thats why until you know you can survive it with bramble hood up you should never get close to a boss without it.

    The Summary of this is you failed as venos and didn't use your ablities.

    Thank you for the helpful response. I'll admit, I definitely am NOT proficient in using Hood for much of anything yet (looks like it's time to start getting proficient!)...So, basically, for us venos, the plan would need to be to Hood up before doing whatever we wanted to do (nless we were trying to pass a spark, which is basically ALL I really wanted to do, since he needed them badly...), and hopefully, we'd live when he axe'd us? I learned quickly NOT to run, because then he'd chase me to wherever the hell I'd run, and the tank would have to chase after him to make sure he didn't aggro on someone else.

    I just have to repeat, it was NOT an aoe that he was hitting us with. He'd single a veno out in the crowd (as I said, I could be flying up with the clerics who were healing the tank, and only I would get axe'd), run to her, no matter how far away she was, and axe her, then go back to the tank. Then go after another veno a very short time later, regardless of what she was doing. Several times, all I had to do was res, and he'd come running towards me, axe me, and go back to the tank.

    I'm just a little confused about the "random aggro" thing, though...If random in this case means, "it will kill anyone", why didn't it go for the clerics, archers, BMs, sins, and assassins? I'll accept that maybe the clerics never accumulated any "hate", since all they did was heal and ressurect deads, but what about the others? The way we had it set up, was when someone died, they needed to say so, so one of our clerics on res duty could find them, and nearly all of the people who said they had died were venos, and very rarely barbs who get in the aoe range too long.

    Anyway, thanks again, and I think that once I share your words with my factions, we should definitely have a better game plan.

    EDIT~
    Shev, I thought you'd post. ^_^ I wish you'd been there more, so you could share more of what you experienced. =P

    And yeah, it was still a ton of fun. Like I said, I've never had so much fun dying so many times, haha.
    Random aggro. It is random for a reason.

    However it's a similar story with Element Lord. Every Gamma I've ever run, if we reach the end Element Lord will always chase after a veno should we have on in squad. As in, run through the whole valley right next to Harpy to reach the veno. The only way to avoid this and the following painstaking process of getting Element Lord back to the auras was to have the veno wait in Happy Valley by the forges.

    Perhaps certain bosses are more likely to randomly reset aggression and attack on particular class then to reset on another class. A few bosses seem reset happy on one particular class where as another won't. Nothing to worry about and certainly not anything new.

    Somehow, I missed this post.

    That's really interesting about the Element Lord. Unfortunately, I have never done gamma, or read about it, or anything, so I'm rather uneducated about it, but...The veno can't even just stand there, twiddling her thumbs, watching? He'll still strike and/or chase her down, even if she hasn't hit him?

    Thank you, too, for your post. =)
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  • Mrvate - Heavens Tear
    Mrvate - Heavens Tear Posts: 406 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    My faction took out that boss not too long ago, and it is not random aggro. And it does pick on veno's we only had 1 there just to debuff boss and give barb brambles. He stuck to the barb, but as soon as the veno revved or came near him the boss would throw an axe at her. And someone earlier said that it's barbs responsibility to cancel that. That is not the case on this boss as he throws the axe without warning. Like he wouldn't even turn to throw the axe. And this was only to the veno, which we all thought was very funny, but is also kinda curious.
  • Wizzeled - Sanctuary
    Wizzeled - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    My faction took out that boss not too long ago, and it is not random aggro. And it does pick on veno's we only had 1 there just to debuff boss and give barb brambles. He stuck to the barb, but as soon as the veno revved or came near him the boss would throw an axe at her. And someone earlier said that it's barbs responsibility to cancel that. That is not the case on this boss as he throws the axe without warning. Like he wouldn't even turn to throw the axe. And this was only to the veno, which we all thought was very funny, but is also kinda curious.

    Confirm it if you want because that boss DOES have a thing against Veno's.


    A long time ago when in Outlaw or something like that we were doing that boss and it was WC'd for more people to show up, and every veno there was being killed, then when a certain veno (level like 60ish) would even spawn in safe zone the WB would take off after her, we actually had the damn thing reset on us because of it, when it was at like 1,000,000 HP.
  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ooh, Wizzeled, I KNOW you must have a bit more WB experience than most people I know...are there other World Bosses that have weird quirks like this?
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  • Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear
    Fiendishkit - Heavens Tear Posts: 193 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yes, this boss does aggro veno's xP it's pretty annoying, I fought him with a very large group of people, and he only axe'd us poor venos b:sad ....an archer did die, but that was only because there werent any other venos alive. :3
  • CapnK - Sanctuary
    CapnK - Sanctuary Posts: 1,166 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    We had the same problem with this boss, except it was a single wizard. *Every* time the wizard would rez, Sentinel would stop whatever it was doing and run over to kill this wizard. Wizard didn't even have time to cast anything, it just killed him any time he rezzed.
  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    We had the same problem with this boss, except it was a single wizard. *Every* time the wizard would rez, Sentinel would stop whatever it was doing and run over to kill this wizard. Wizard didn't even have time to cast anything, it just killed him any time he rezzed.

    Really, only a wizard? He didn't touch the venos (or were there no venos...)?

    Thank you for all the input, guys. Keep it coming. And hell, tell me about other WBs, too, please. My faction was planning a World Boss Hunt later this month, and we'll take all the info we can get.
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  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Isn't aggro radius / aggressiveness level dependent? Maybe it's level and not class.
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  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Isn't aggro radius / aggressiveness level dependent? Maybe it's level and not class.

    We had low level venos getting killed, and high level archers not getting killed even once.

    So...I don't think so...
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  • Amsel - Sanctuary
    Amsel - Sanctuary Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i didnt read the second page at all >.> but ive done this wb before and the same thing happened. All the venos were iced just over and over and over. standing next to a cleric, iced. next to an archer me not him, next to a bm boom gone. once and a great while i think it was a cleric that died. but the 5 -6 venos we had were dropped at least 15 times + each. dont know what it is about this guy but he does it T^T
  • tweakz
    tweakz Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    We had low level venos getting killed, and high level archers not getting killed even once.

    So...I don't think so...

    Lol, you're supporting my assertion by this. Low levels grab aggro quicker on normal mobs just by being in aggro range.
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  • Amsel - Sanctuary
    Amsel - Sanctuary Posts: 295 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    tweakz wrote: »
    Lol, you're supporting my assertion by this. Low levels grab aggro quicker on normal mobs just by being in aggro range.



    we had venos from 90-102 :3 soooooo what does this mean?
  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Oh, I thought you meant higher levels would take aggro. I had forgotten lower levels will take aggro quicker.

    In that case, we also had more higher level venos, and lower level clerics/barbs/BMs. ;D I was one of the highest levels there (there were maybe 5-6 others who were higher than me, only one of which was a veno).

    If it was level, the couple of lower-leveled barbs who came would have died, too, but they were only killed when they killed mobs, while in the WB's aoe range.
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  • Wizzeled - Sanctuary
    Wizzeled - Sanctuary Posts: 747 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Ooh, Wizzeled, I KNOW you must have a bit more WB experience than most people I know...are there other World Bosses that have weird quirks like this?

    Never have a full MP charm on when facing Ceminator or w/e
  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Yeah, I found that out when a friend and I DD'd on it with another faction...Nasty thing.
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    Kylenea, level 99 Demon Cleric
    ForestSonata, level 6x Mystic
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  • BloodFire - Harshlands
    BloodFire - Harshlands Posts: 172 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Is this boss...racist? lol.
    Sorry I couldn't resist.
    Looks like I am going to have to try this and report my findings.
  • Katzyn - Sanctuary
    Katzyn - Sanctuary Posts: 1,270 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Thank you, Bloodfire. =) I look forward to what you find.
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    Kylenea, level 99 Demon Cleric
    ForestSonata, level 6x Mystic
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  • Moog - Lost City
    Moog - Lost City Posts: 633 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Same thing happened to me when I did this world boss with a past guild. Every wizard and veno was getting *****. I would rez than instantly get one shot by his aoe QQ.