Everyone That Complains About Tides Being Overpowered

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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    b:laugh

    On a college student's budget...? If YOU can give me the 5000 ZEN, I'm totally up for it.

    b:chuckle
    Thats 50 gold.
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    Thank you Forsakenx for the picture. b:thanks
  • Alliptica - Raging Tide
    Alliptica - Raging Tide Posts: 1,545 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    i figured if you cant beat em, join em?
    -retired-

    now playing megaten and...Forsaken World ;)
  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »
    Thats 50 gold.

    You're 50 Gold! b:angry

    5000; 500,000, just give me something free!
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    Yeah, it's me. Don't read to much into it, though; I'm only here for myself now, killin' time and chillin' when need-be. So sue me. Tch...
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You're 50 Gold! b:angry

    5000; 500,000, just give me something free!

    b:avoid
    quick someone log onto Heavens Tear and mail Konariraiden 1 coin(s)
    b:chuckle
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
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    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
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  • Konariraiden - Heavens Tear
    Konariraiden - Heavens Tear Posts: 6,505 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    b:avoid
    quick someone log onto Heavens Tear and mail Konariraiden 1 coin(s)
    b:chuckle

    ...EYE C WUT U DEED THAR.

    b:chuckle
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  • Skyhealing - Heavens Tear
    Skyhealing - Heavens Tear Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    well im surely out of topic but i like the fact that tide born swim fast b:chuckle
  • Alliptica - Raging Tide
    Alliptica - Raging Tide Posts: 1,545 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    it actually amazes me that assassins are even good in this game bcuz in other things i've played...assassins aint ****. maybe its just bcuz its a new class and new classes always seem like pwnage
    -retired-

    now playing megaten and...Forsaken World ;)
  • AlanWake - Harshlands
    AlanWake - Harshlands Posts: 178 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TurismoX - Lost City wrote: »
    I agree, we still really need our 79 skills, 'cuz as it stands we aren't really even on equal grounds with other classes at higher levels.

    Black Ice Dragon Strike (Wizard) totally **** Red Tide (Psychic).
    Wizards also get Blade Tempest, giving them a chance against arcane users, and Clerics have Plume Shot so they can fight against arcane users.
    Psychics get nothing that helps against arcane users and have to rely on a well-timed Soulburn.
    Tempest owns Red Tide as well.

    Assassins can jack their Chi up pretty well, but we still die easily, have a hard time with Barbarians and we have a huge cooldown on Headhunt (which is our OHKO move on arcane users and light armours).

    We need our new moves :(

    did you just compare blade tempest with plume shot b:shocked
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    TurismoX - Lost City wrote: »
    I agree, we still really need our 79 skills, 'cuz as it stands we aren't really even on equal grounds with other classes at higher levels.

    Black Ice Dragon Strike (Wizard) totally **** Red Tide (Psychic).
    Wizards also get Blade Tempest, giving them a chance against arcane users, and Clerics have Plume Shot so they can fight against arcane users.
    Psychics get nothing that helps against arcane users and have to rely on a well-timed Soulburn.
    Tempest owns Red Tide as well.

    Assassins can jack their Chi up pretty well, but we still die easily, have a hard time with Barbarians and we have a huge cooldown on Headhunt (which is our OHKO move on arcane users and light armours).

    We need our new moves :(

    Psychics = Soulburn = no pvp reduction and apparently deals physical damage.

    Assassins has pretty low cooldown on all their moves anyway other then their stun teleport and a few other skills.....
    and if me prediction (and hope) be right, both assassin and psychic will be as useful as archer's level 79/100 skills.
    b:shutup

    assassins already has "sage" with their ridiculous chi gain and stuff.
    also their "demon" skills be like their 40% crit damage increase + Crit chance increase already....

    no reasonable person can say assassins is not overpowered....
    Dagger Devotion: 60% extra dagger damage
    Power Dash: crit damage increased by 40%
    Chill of the Deep: increase attack level by 30...dont cry about the attack speed loss...they just going to demon spark or something and manage to kill off other classes within seconds anyway...
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
    Hawk:Do this. closing thread
    frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
    Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
    Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
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    41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
    1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
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  • JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver
    JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I would like to see your fight. When assassin come from invisibility, then lock you stun you and critic, you are already death, and you could do nothing.b:angry

    What?

    You just stand there and let the sin lock you and stun you and die waiting for stunlock to wear off?

    You failb:laugh
    It is better to remain silent and be thought the fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
  • ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Weird how classes who do insane amounts of damage and NEVER miss think TB are OP b:shutup
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Weird how classes who do insane amounts of damage and NEVER miss think TB are OP b:shutup

    me only think assassins be overpowered, psychics be reasonably okie...
    assassins = ridiculously overpowered damage + ridiculously overpowered survival skills....
    b:surrender
    darthpanda16: Firefox crashed on me. Aryannamage: I don't think I am a GM that would be new.
    Hawk:Do this. closing thread
    frankieraye: I'll see if we can replace the woman with a stick figure and the tiger fangs with marshmallows.//Issues like these need to get escalated quickly to minimize the damage.
    Kantorek: Yeah.. you should try it. It's awesome.
    Sihndra: Nope- not currently possible under any circumstances. Sorry.
    LokisDottir: I mean...not haunting the forums, nope nope..
    Konariraiden: You don't know what you are up against. You will lose.
    Waiting for...Hamster Packs!
    58% chance to get tokens
    41% chance to get an all class pet hamster....but they has already been freed by the magic hamster.
    1% chance to get ban hamstered with the message "Hamsters United!"
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    What?

    You just stand there and let the sin lock you and stun you and die waiting for stunlock to wear off?

    You failb:laugh

    Yes you will stand there because.
    1. You will not know, that assassin is there till he will attack you.
    2. When he attack you will be stunned and death faster than all his stuns will be over.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
  • Jennalicious - Sanctuary
    Jennalicious - Sanctuary Posts: 1,073 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Chuck Norris laughs at the Tideborn race being overpowered.
  • JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver
    JadeFarmer - Dreamweaver Posts: 126 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes you will stand there because.
    1. You will not know, that assassin is there till he will attack you.
    2. When he attack you will be stunned and death faster than all his stuns will be over.

    My post was sarcasm.

    There are ways to cancel out stun, sleep and other debuffs.
    It is better to remain silent and be thought the fool then to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Davitiel - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yay!

    Another Tideborn OPera thread, I love the drama.

    Why do you even post?
    XXKimikoXx - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Oh good more bull**** T_T just ignore it so what if people QQ I know im not over powered cause im a hybrid so im not affected............but I think phy have an unfair advantage they hit to much it makes me feel weakb:cry

    You tell us to ignore it but you're just adding fuel to the fire
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Weird how classes who do insane amounts of damage and NEVER miss think TB are OP b:shutup

    insane amounts of damage such as an archer has to hit something. archers can't hit assassins. uhh... that basically means overpowered. you get 2-3 hits on us before we can even fight back with your attack rate. next time you're in a duel, let us hit you 2-3 times, then you can fight back.

    Assassin: 100% invisible(immortal), Second life when you die, Teleport stun, 25% chance for MAGIC to miss, 50% chance for negative effects not to work, 2% vampire, instant chi recovery, 99% of your attacks have less than .5 channeling.

    Psy: ridiculous casting speed with very high damage, incredibly overpowered damage reduction and reflection skills(don't even try to argue this one, I was buffed with one of your skills and the boss was hitting me for 500 damage but it was reflecting 1,500 back to him. That's 300% reflection, obliterated veno), knock back interrupts channeling and sends back farther than archer knock back, incredible buffs giving a person everything including immoratality to physical and negative effects for 8 seconds.

    Now.... how... is this NOT overpowered? You just got every skill in the game that you could possibly use.
    Say my name 3 times, I dare you.

    ~Technotic
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  • ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »


    insane amounts of damage such as an archer has to hit something. archers can't hit assassins. uhh... that basically means overpowered. you get 2-3 hits on us before we can even fight back with your attack rate. next time you're in a duel, let us hit you 2-3 times, then you can fight back.

    Was talking about mag classes, so yeah fine be me if nerf sins .. but give mag attacks a chance to miss all seems fair in the balancing stakes .

    I can do the same on my Bm TBH, stun lock robes and kill them before they can fight back.. gotta love Demon fists ... but I suppose they will be OP next
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Was talking about mag classes, so yeah fine be me if nerf sins .. but give mag attacks a chance to miss all seems fair in the balancing stakes .

    I can do the same on my Bm TBH, stun lock robes and kill them before they can fight back.. gotta love Demon fists ... but I suppose they will be OP next

    Maybe it will new for you, but magic attack can miss. It is called "interrupted". It happened quite offend. Especially in long channeling spells.
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  • ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Maybe it will new for you, but magic attack can miss. It is called "interrupted". It happened quite offend. Especially in long channeling spells.

    And stun can miss .. its called apoch pots

    /thread
  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Was talking about mag classes, so yeah fine be me if nerf sins .. but give mag attacks a chance to miss all seems fair in the balancing stakes .

    I can do the same on my Bm TBH, stun lock robes and kill them before they can fight back.. gotta love Demon fists ... but I suppose they will be OP next

    yeah but wizards have sleep spells and things to counter a bm. a natural skill. there is no natural skill to counter an assassin. that's why they're overpowered
    Say my name 3 times, I dare you.

    ~Technotic
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    And stun can miss .. its called apoch pots

    /thread

    Ooo I understand. You just prove that you was mistaken.
    But back to you. You wanted magic class miss. I gave you example. So now are you satisfied?
    And don't tell about apothecary because that is different category.
    Also so beat to assassins I need apothecary. What apothecary need assassin to beat me? I think none.
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  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    magic should NEVER miss. they get interrupted which makes sense. that is the downside to magic. BUT!>!!PUJW!U!>!?, assassin has a skill that has 25% chance for magic to miss, altering the game code for that ONE race. way to go devs, you rock.
    Say my name 3 times, I dare you.

    ~Technotic
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    magic should NEVER miss. they get interrupted which makes sense. that is the downside to magic. BUT!>!!PUJW!U!>!?, assassin has a skill that has 25% chance for magic to miss, altering the game code for that ONE race. way to go devs, you rock.

    I agree with you. The dev. spit to our faces and our effort.b:angry
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  • ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear Posts: 47 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Other class get interupted AND can miss .. So if we truly want to balance things magic should have a chance to miss.

    Dont get me wrong I think Sins being able to use skills while stealthed is a bit OP.

    Any skill use (ie spark) should remove stealth.

    BUT

    To totaly balance the game alot of classes not just TB need nerfing/changing.

    Just find it amusing people only want things nerfing if its not their own class
  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Other class get interupted AND can miss .. So if we truly want to balance things magic should have a chance to miss.

    Dont get me wrong I think Sins being able to use skills while stealthed is a bit OP.

    Any skill use (ie spark) should remove stealth.

    BUT

    To totaly balance the game alot of classes not just TB need nerfing/changing.

    Just find it amusing people only want things nerfing if its not their own class
    Sure. I can miss. I deal with it. But I want 0.5s channeling and casting time.
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  • Technotic - Sanctuary
    Technotic - Sanctuary Posts: 591 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    ChaoticEnvy - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Other class get interupted AND can miss .. So if we truly want to balance things magic should have a chance to miss.

    Dont get me wrong I think Sins being able to use skills while stealthed is a bit OP.

    Any skill use (ie spark) should remove stealth.

    BUT

    To totaly balance the game alot of classes not just TB need nerfing/changing.

    Just find it amusing people only want things nerfing if its not their own class

    Our classes are nerfed. Tide Born isn't.
    Say my name 3 times, I dare you.

    ~Technotic
    TrueMyths.Guildplex.com
  • DeathBanana - Heavens Tear
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,674 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    A quote from the other thread
    DeathBanana - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yesterday a 62 sin oneshot my 74 cleric. With +2 unsharded TT daggers. My cleric has 70 vit. Full TT70 armor, all +2'd with 1 flawless garnet and 2 flawless citrines each. I had ~2.7k hp, he critted for 2.8k. Hate to say it, but sins are looking pretty OP atm
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]

    9x Demon Cleric
  • Mayfly - Dreamweaver
    Mayfly - Dreamweaver Posts: 6,094 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    Technotic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Psy: ridiculous casting speed with very high damage, incredibly overpowered damage reduction and reflection skills(don't even try to argue this one, I was buffed with one of your skills and the boss was hitting me for 500 damage but it was reflecting 1,500 back to him. That's 300% reflection, obliterated veno), knock back interrupts channeling and sends back farther than archer knock back, incredible buffs giving a person everything including immoratality to physical and negative effects for 8 seconds.

    It's not 300% reflection. Soul of Vengeance' reflection is determined purely by the psy's soul force and has nothing to do with how hard you're hit (unlike Bramble Guard.) You could have been being hit with 5000 and still have had 1500 reflected.
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  • Thinkalot - Dreamweaver
    Thinkalot - Dreamweaver Posts: 133 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    O.M.G.

    What a load of bullcrap i read on these threads.

    Seems there are 2 factions discussing something completely pointless here.

    Either they say TB's are over powered, or they complain about being called overpowered. FACT is that loads of players just can't handle pvping against TB's.
    They're new, most of em don't know their limitations or ways to handle them, and face it, LOADS of toons, even high lvl ones, are just oracle or whatever noobies.

    I always seem to read about sins not being able to take out barbs. So should those sins complain about barbs being overpowered ? It's a simple logical reasoning that some classes are good against others and vice versa.

    I play a cleric too, and i know for a fact that i'm weaker against melees. So do i need to say they're overpowered ? Hell no, deal with it, change build, change gear or tactics and move on.

    You KNOW that some classes will dominate you. Like you will dominate some others. Learn to play a toon, whatever its class, and deal with the simple fact of the gaming world : there's always someone or some class stronger then yourself.

    I'm really tired of all the **** some people spew about other classes. If you don't like it, go play it for a change then. See what the other side looks like, but don't come whining about meaningless stuff, especially when you have NO say in the matter on how devs see the game.
  • Brigid - Harshlands
    Brigid - Harshlands Posts: 1,332 Arc User
    edited February 2010
    I'll start this post off with a webcomic I've linked to before, that is quite fitting:
    http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/223

    Now then, I don't really have any issue with Psychics. As far as I can tell, yes, they're powerful. But they can be countered. Maybe that's just because I'm an archer and usually snipe them before they really realize I'm there, but still.

    Assassins, however, are 100% invisible to anyone without access to Raging Tides Officer (99% of population) up to 30 levels above, and still invisible to people even with access to the officer up to 10 levels above. How is making 99% of players up to 30 levels higher than them unable to detect or attack them balanced?

    I don't mind that they one-shot squishy classes. Archers can do that too up to the 80s, and wizards can do it from 70ish on up, if they crit. I don't mind that they're capable of crippling an enemy if they get the first attack, seeing as they're assassins. You can see archers and wizards coming, and if nothing else you can run away, or at least try to fight back. You can't see an assassin coming, they can teleport right to you from outside your attack range and stun you at the same time, and on the off chance they start losing, they can go back into stealth. Then add in the ability to spark while in stealth, without losing stealth, and a 25% chance to dodge any attack. Kindly explain how that's balanced?

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