Tideborns are overpowered

tbh sins are a little OP.. cant defend something you cant see (unless you know they are there somewhere)

9x sin oneshot me and disappeared <_< way too quick.

Sheyde - Sanctuary wrote: »

The other choice is Archer, i saw them destroying everything in PK/TW, example is Wizzeled.

1st of all , just for saying this you are just you have destroyed any chance of belief to your complaints from most of the ppl from sanctuary or ex-sanctuarians that know WIZZLED.

2nd :
-sins use LA , LA = crappiest armor end-game .
-they have weak defenses both magical and physical just like archers , however they do not have a range advantage so it's normal to have something like stealth or they would be **** ;
-one of the archer's best defenses is their evasion but they have a buff that increases that evasion by a large amount , sins do not .


And truth be told that a psychic , while the skills are quite faster and more dmging than a wiz's skills on early - mid game , take note that the wiz skills are more weapon % reliant thus meaning they should still shine in terms of mag dmg later . Also the psy has no physical buff like the wiz earth barrier that doesn't have any consequences .

There's nothing OP about them , just use your head & figure out how to counter them , master your class and learn their skills too as if they were your own .

TheMagicPimp - Raging Tide wrote: »

-one of the archer's best defenses is their evasion but they have a buff that increases that evasion by a large amount , sins do not .

Magic doesn't miss. Misty Forest Rings are cheap and give +50% accuracy. Lunar Rings are expensive and give +50% accuracy. Evasion doesn't do jack. Archer's best defense is hitting first and hitting hard. Same goes for assassins, but they have stealth and we don't.

What I think is the biggest unbalancing factor is the fact that you need to own territory to make awareness potions. An alternate means of obtaining them, or even a weaker version that's freely available, would go a long ways towards making Assassins less overpowered in world PvP. Never had any trouble with Psychics myself, but I'm an archer and they're squishy.

Well, the sad thing is...I kind of agree with them , rofl.
For example, Earlier today I was questing...Bored...So i dueled this lv36 BladeMaster (I was 36, 37 almost 38 now). I two shot him. Yea, i said it, Two shot. Crit.711 and 917. First shot nearly killed him, second was for lulz and BOOM critical. I hit 4k crits regular unbuffed(mobs), buffed its like 4.35(mobs) or something, and don't get me started on sparks. Then, during fb19 I dueled my lv44 Heavy Armor BM friend for lulz. Beat him with 300something HP left. Second duel, he beat me.

solution? RE-ROLL b:pleased

-waits for QQ to rain down upon this thread-

Originally Posted by Teh_fishey - Dreamweaver View Post
The new race is OP. As an anonymous barb said a 9x or high 8x assassin hit
4k then 4.5k on him, this is lvl 80 barb btw... (He said Lightaine [9x wiz] was only hitting for like 1k-2k and that was back when the barb was only 56 at the time)

The sin just stealths right up to you, stuns you, kills you in a couple hits, then stealths back out, or to its next victim.

There's not much we can do agaisnt sins at the moment.

Then psychics, especially with the damage increase buff, hit extremely hard. A lvl 37 psychic killed another high 8x barb while they hit for an amazingly over powered 2.5k a hit and a little bit of kiting. (And that's on a barb with extreme defense and HP).

RE-ROLL epicfaillamesaucenubcake if a psy that lvl is **** u..... omg i dont even wanna know how much magic stat that barb has ROFL.

droppin an uncharmed barb my lvl in 6 seconds isnt OP it just means stay the **** away from me :P

anyways point bein any class played properly can be claiimed as OP, sins are squishy as hell, they have massive drawbacks, attack power an attack lvl buff are huge advantages, but melee archer anyone??

and as for the psy.... endgame u needa spent a tonne on refines 2 get good attack power..... its called soulforce, u aint got money dont even bother, yeh your strong at low lvls. but endgame without the funs u mite as well be lvl 60 goin up against lvl 90s.

my 2 cents
FLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAME!!!

well ofc ice dragon hits more, but permanently getting spammend with psychic spells is like getting hit by a truck

Sheyde - Sanctuary wrote: »

Im mad now, since Rising tide came up Perfect world is a trash, not game anymore, Tideborns are overpowered, example? Assasin has bloodpaint which healing skill afterall, they an be invisible, WTF? they hhave weapon token quest, we have something like that? And psyhic, soul of stunning, magic character with arcane armor just like me cleric then What the f-u-c-k developers? If psyhic lvl 50 can defeat cleric lvl74? with shield on? he took 50% of hp with one attack, im just saying that New race is overpowered, and we don't have skills like that, im sure lots of people think same thing, cut off them, just like genie skills. People will start to quit, Developers instead of improving game they just adding new trash to cash shop.

Dude a lvl86 assassin killed me.. wth stun imobilize sleep, decreasing my attack rate when i cast and attack they disappear... no clue what to do but finding an npc outside sz and zhen on it hoping he is in rage to get aoed... this is complete bs... of they debuff of psy that make us get daamge when we attack... so must we all be psy and assassins now?

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

only thing i think should be changed is if you have a sin targetted and he stealths while fighting you can still see where he is. that way stealth is used for its intended reason: to sneak up on someone.

but see thats why theres more then one version of stealth, theres a stealth for outside of combat, and one to get away from combat... they have it for a reason

Assassin
If you remove or nerf stealth, didn't that make them died easily before even reaching arcane or archer ?
If you remove or nerf teleport, didn't that make them lost the option to reach arcane or archer before killed ? (holy path ?)
If you remove or nerf their stun, didn't that make them pretty much easy to die ?
b:surrender

So assassins FAIL in PVE (and no one wants them) and they're overpowered in PVP (so they should get the nerf hammer).

Anything else? Maybe everyone QQing should spend less time bashing Tideborn in general and more time learning how to play with them (pve) and against them (pvp).

And sure, Tideborn might own certain classes/players in 1v1.. but think about how squishy we are. Both assassins and psychics almost certainly don't stand a chance when faced with 2 or more opponents - low HP and seriously fail defense ftw >.>

So what if assassins can stealth and escape from combat? If they do that, have you suffered any losses (maybe some charm ticks, but what else)? How effective is that in things like TW? "Oh sorry guyz lul I tried! But I had to run away..." - that's not gonna cut it.

Oh, and any skill you start casting before the assassin forces stealth will hit, I'm 90% sure of it. And just like YOUR (general you) buffs have cooldowns and durations, so do assassins'. Focused mind only lasts a minute at MAX, and there's a 90 second cooldown (so 30 seconds where they're "completely vulnerable" - and believe me, 25% at max doesn't help as much as you'd hope). Deaden nerves only works ONCE - if a sin is stupid or slow, it'd do NOTHING for him/her. Bloodpaint gives back only 2% of the damage you deal as HP, and since damage is nerfed in PVP, a sin would get negligible healing effect from bloodpaint in PVP. Shadow teleport (tele stun) has a pretty considerable cooldown and can't be spammed. Shadow escape (force stealth) has a considerable cooldown too - once they use it if they're stupid enough to show their face again before cooldown's over, they're screwed. And the chi gain skills? A BUNCH of our skill cost either 1 or 2 sparks. Subsea strike (extreme poison effect), power dash (+crit rate), headhunt (stun) all cost 2 sparks. shadow teleport (tele stun) and throatcut (seal; has a pretty damn long cast time too) cost 1 spark each. Don't know if I'm missing any.

The point is, look at our disads too, not just our advantages. >.>

Ephemerai - Sanctuary wrote: »

So assassins FAIL in PVE (and no one wants them) and they're overpowered in PVP (so they should get the nerf hammer).]

*cough they can solo TT/BH, skip all the mobs in a BH/FB and probably TT cough*

they are most squishyer classes.
sins are squishyer than archers duo to no range, however they have stealth and they usually do it when get low hp so u must control ur sin target when he gets low hp i mean sleep/stun/silence em. in dmg archers>>sins, and wiz/psy/venos+nix all >>psy dps

psys are the squishyest class in game wihtout white voodoo, they squishyer than wizs/clerics, but tehy dont out dps wiz over lv79.

is all about how to counter white voodoo/soulburn from psys and stealthing from sins b:bye

MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

me only want aoes that can actually target areas.....and don't require a target to cast...
b:sweat

+1

and seems like I have to type some more cuz of the 10 characters thingy...

While I don't agree on the Sins being imba theme, I do think there is one thing about them that is a little wrong.

They can buff themselves, fly, and even use Town Portal while remaining invisible. This shouldn't be. Stealth should go away whenever you use a skill. It's common sense. I'm shocked this hasn't been thought through, because I don't see any other explication for such a feature. Devs couldn't possibly want Sins not to reveal no matter what they do once they hit the Stealth button.

That can lead to several abuses, but it's not a huge deal. Other than that, I still think Sins are a normal class, not overpowered or anything.