rudeness?

redknightx · February 2010

not to say anything but really feels that there is a trend that people are getting more and more self centered and rude recently. would like some input/comment about some of the following cases that had happened recently.

case 1:
I was killing gaurnob in the city of abomination (wed night event), and out of no where an archer came and started attacking it... well i was on the spot first and had been a while killing the boss, but she kept attacking and took agro, so i was like O.O" in the end she killed it i was like fine cause i thought she would leave, and then i started killing gaurnob when it spawned for about 1 min, she came again and took the kill without saying a thing O.O... i've really never seen a worse attitude than that.

your opinion:
for those that go to the event, is there no set rules of courtesy that first on killing the boss should get it, or it is a lawless place where whoever kills gets? "survival of the fittest thing"

case 2:
my girlfriend was killing mobs during the exp boost event at the far north border of the map, she is a veno btw. she can so much just gather up the mobs with her herc and let its reflect kill the mobs as she does her aoe, still needing to control her damage incase she agros mobs on her. she had been on that spot for quite a while but out of the blue, a BM and cleric appeared. The BM started taking lots her mobs, even sometimes jump into mobs she had gathered and started aoe killing her mobs. i got on and was told about it, i went to aid her in keeping her spot. They finally left altogether when they saw me.
Really now that was pure the act of bullying. My girlfriend PM them and there was no reply, if he wants her spot he can at least ask or something.

your opinion:
Again i dont think this is likely, but these days does everyone play on the rules of "survival of the fittest"? or are they just plain rude and selfish.

am just making this post so that if ever those that had been doing such acts read this post they would know what is acceptable and which is not. Kindly ask everyone to give their opinions yet again b:victory

thank you b:thanks

ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear · February 2010

redknightx wrote: »

your opinion:
for those that go to the event, is there no set rules of courtesy that first on killing the boss should get it, or it is a lawless place where whoever kills gets? "survival of the fittest thing"

Isnt that event based on most kills ? If so then its everyman/woman for themselves and courtesy goes out the window.

Promivius - Dreamweaver · February 2010

You could see it as rude.

If you are on a PvP server you get your guns out and PK the hell out of them if you so wish it.

FitHitDShan - Sanctuary · February 2010

Don't know for sure, but isn't Abomination a team event where your team is everyone in your instance? I know there is value to getting the drops, but at least in the case where you had been on the mob for a while, didn't you already have enough damage lead to get them? Who can know, but there is a possibility the archer just thought they were helping the team.

I do know that AOE grinding has always been a touchy subject. People get possesive of mobs and always think they have a right to everything they can kill (either because they got there first, thought they got there first, or think you were there first and need to move on and share the wealth). Because AOE grinders are investing in their experience (for a long time with the exp scrolls and now with stones), this turns into a powder keg of complaints and stupid "retaliatory" actions.

Basically, there isn't anything new to these incidents. There is, however, a tendency for people to encounter more rudeness as they associate more and more with higher level players. It seems to be a combination of the personality that plays to high levels, a perception that you don't need to talk anymore because "everyone knows my way is how it is done," and more money at stake.

Elenacostel - Heavens Tear · February 2010

redknightx wrote: »

case 1:
I was killing gaurnob in the city of abomination (wed night event), and out of no where an archer came and started attacking it... well i was on the spot first and had been a while killing the boss, but she kept attacking and took agro, so i was like O.O" in the end she killed it i was like fine cause i thought she would leave, and then i started killing gaurnob when it spawned for about 1 min, she came again and took the kill without saying a thing O.O... i've really never seen a worse attitude than that.

your opinion:
for those that go to the event, is there no set rules of courtesy that first on killing the boss should get it, or it is a lawless place where whoever kills gets? "survival of the fittest thing"

City of Abomination is a competition event, so yes, it is acceptable to kill-steal.

redknightx wrote: »

case 2:
my girlfriend was killing mobs during the exp boost event at the far north border of the map, she is a veno btw. she can so much just gather up the mobs with her herc and let its reflect kill the mobs as she does her aoe, still needing to control her damage incase she agros mobs on her. she had been on that spot for quite a while but out of the blue, a BM and cleric appeared. The BM started taking lots her mobs, even sometimes jump into mobs she had gathered and started aoe killing her mobs. i got on and was told about it, i went to aid her in keeping her spot. They finally left altogether when they saw me.

This depends.

I personally do not believe there is such a thing as "my spot, your spot". Anyone can grind anywhere. So, the two people showing up and gathering mobs are perfectly fine in doing so, and are not discourteous.

However, if she has gathered mobs already, then the others should not kill-steal from her. That's just rude.

Rinari - Raging Tide · February 2010

if i see a mob, and i need it for exp/quest/whatever, i kill it. end of story

if you happen to be killing it, and i end up taking the kill from you, too bad

its just the way of things... courtesy makes everything take longer, and makes life more tedious

Balthier - Dreamweaver · February 2010

And people wonder why we have wars...

Rinari - Raging Tide · February 2010

human nature

KallenHapti - Sanctuary · February 2010

You know i agree killsteal is bad but saying some spot is your and you were first there and noone is allowed to kill there is selfish.
If there was a rule to reserve a spot for yourself probably 90% of the server population won't have a place to grind.

Since i'm on topic i will share something that happened to me.
I went to farm some earth mobs near sanctuary to level my pets.
I don't have much to choose from cause i only do wood damage and i checked the database for earth mobs around that level - those were the only ones.
Then i had to log off for 2-3 hours and when i log in again some blademaster was aoe farming those mobs.
I don't mind i can get only up to 3-4 mobs max with my non CS pets so it's not like i'm running out of things to kill.
But the blademaster started pming me to go away and he was first there and this is his spot.
I didn't reply anything but he kept spamming me and called me horrible.
I should have told him i was first there a few hours ago and reserved the whole land for my personal grinding b:sweat

He went away at some point then another BM came - with a cleric.
Sure i don't mind but he started standing intentionally next to the mobs i already lured and was killing them with aoe.
I endured 3-4 times of that happening then i bombed my nova & noxious on a good pack of mobs he was farming.
Got half the drops and some xp/spirit and he stopped stealing my mobs b:chuckle
I've had some really bad experince with BMs in the past too. Honestly i think this is the class with highest % of retardness among those playing it.

redknightx · February 2010

Isnt that event based on most kills ? If so then its everyman/woman for themselves and courtesy goes out the window.

kind of true but should atleast ask or something cause they were really ignorant even when they gets PM'ed

Don't know for sure, but isn't Abomination a team event where your team is everyone in your instance? I know there is value to getting the drops, but at least in the case where you had been on the mob for a while, didn't you already have enough damage lead to get them? Who can know, but there is a possibility the archer just thought they were helping the team.

players get sent around random maps, hence why get separate from their squad. most them people in that dungeon were mostly soloing their own bosses. i had the boss for a while, like 2 or 3 mins had to kill alone as my squad was in another map (which again most of them were doing, busy soloing their own bosses) and as an archer u can be sure to steal the kill easily as u are one of the strongest DD in the game, drawing close to wizards... and with her crit rate i doubt i can keep the boss as easily.
have started going there for couple of weeks, i had only ever seen 1 or 2 squads in there and most people are just plain soloing bosses.

It seems to be a combination of the personality that plays to high levels, a perception that you don't need to talk anymore because "everyone knows my way is how it is done," and more money at stake.

this is so true lol, hence why am posting this for mutual study... thinks as long as you're not one of them that is find and u are on the right path b:laugh

Telarith - Sanctuary · February 2010

So the BM and cleric were rude, because your GF didn't want to share? Taking advantage of xp event means that no xp scroll use, and as mentioned had already enjoyed the benefits of being there for a while. And instead of taking the xp already gained, had you come and ensure she extended her turn even longer. Could it be people are becoming more rude and self-centered, because they only focus on other people's faults and miss theirs?

XylolyX - Heavens Tear · February 2010

Rinari - Raging Tide wrote: »

if i see a mob, and i need it for exp/quest/whatever, i kill it. end of story

if you happen to be killing it, and i end up taking the kill from you, too bad

its just the way of things... courtesy makes everything take longer, and makes life more tedious

And then you'll QQ when someone KS's you.

Things that make you go "hmmmm."

redknightx · February 2010

Then i had to log off for 2-3 hours and when i log in again some blademaster was aoe farming those mobs.

well u went off lol, but yea asking u move off was dum

well ofcourse there should not be a set spot which u put up a fence around and say thins is my spot or something, but the thing is it would always be good if person who comes by and wants take the mobs or something kindly ask person that had been there for bit, its more like the attitude really. From the case also the person was squarely trying to push someone out of the map, going to the extent of aoe ks.
and a point i forgot put in was, there had been an existuing spot next to place where my gf is grinding, equally as much mobs as well... person actually trying hog that patch and patch we at... now that should really be rude or being greedy and nothing else.

thinks if people speak more it be a better world, just what am trying say

Rinari - Raging Tide · February 2010

XylolyX - Heavens Tear wrote: »

And then you'll QQ when someone KS's you.

Things that make you go "hmmmm."

i dont tho... if they can outdamage both me (puremag build) and my pet, then GG on them, props where deserved

i have yet to get KS'd by someone while questing... except for when highlvls are helping guildies or w/e

(and yes, i'm talking about my veno on another server)

Shivalia - Lost City · February 2010

I've noticed recently that a lot of people ask for help since I'm a higher level and as soon as I do what they request I get a 'thanks' and they leave. Which is fine. But throughout the whole time between when they ask me for help and when I finish doing it, 90% of the time, they don't make conversation, they don't say anything at all. Its never been like that for me. b:sad I've always had friendly people ask me nicely if I can help them and they would make little small talk or just be friendly in their words while I helped, whether it be telling me of their ordeal trying to get help, or just anything random that comes to their mind. Its like when I'm at work. I'm a clerk and when I have customers come to the register I always ask them how they're doing. Some say they're fine, and some give me an example of why its a good or bad day for them and we have a short little conversation. Even though I'm only helping them for a moment to get them the items they're buying, I much prefer to be around those customers who respond even a little bit, maybe ask how I'm doing in return than I do of the ones who ignore everything except when I tell them their price and ask them to have a nice day, where they usually say 'thanks'. Same thing as this case... b:surrender I feel like these people think its my job to help them in game. b:sad

redknightx · February 2010

So the BM and cleric were rude, because your GF didn't want to share? Taking advantage of xp event means that no xp scroll use, and as mentioned had already enjoyed the benefits of being there for a while. And instead of taking the xp already gained, had you come and ensure she extended her turn even longer. Could it be people are becoming more rude and self-centered, because they only focus on other people's faults and miss theirs?

again, its a matter of people not talking. Also depends on how long is "for a while" meaning to every person. for a while for me is around 5-10 mins... might be few hours for you i guess.
Lastly, its the same as a case if someone brings her dog to **** on my yard or something without asking and being absolutely ignorant. Dont think anyone would like that.

i had also requested opinions on my post, if i had not wanted opinions it points how ignorant i am (spelling that i think i'm absolutely right). and some people really need read the post really clear and understand before making comments which based on it might be indirectly reflecting themselves in many ways.

Solandri - Heavens Tear · February 2010

redknightx wrote: »

case 1:
I was killing gaurnob in the city of abomination (wed night event), and out of no where an archer came and started attacking it... well i was on the spot first and had been a while killing the boss, but she kept attacking and took agro, so i was like O.O" in the end she killed it i was like fine cause i thought she would leave, and then i started killing gaurnob when it spawned for about 1 min, she came again and took the kill without saying a thing O.O... i've really never seen a worse attitude than that.

City of Abominations has 4 instances. The instance with the most kills gets the rewards at half cost, so it pays for everyone within a single instance to cooperate. In that respect, stealing from each other is counter-productive. If you have two people camping the same mob, you're doubling the amount of downtime as you wait for respawn. It's better if the two people group, pull two mobs to the same spot, kill one, then one person stays to kill the second while the other person goes to bring back the first mob when it respawns.

So yeah it's rude, but it's also stupid. I tend to be pretty cooperative and open about telling people how to maximize damage in there. I've been on the winning team 7 of 9 times.

case 2:
my girlfriend was killing mobs during the exp boost event at the far north border of the map, she is a veno btw. she can so much just gather up the mobs with her herc and let its reflect kill the mobs as she does her aoe, still needing to control her damage incase she agros mobs on her. she had been on that spot for quite a while but out of the blue, a BM and cleric appeared. The BM started taking lots her mobs, even sometimes jump into mobs she had gathered and started aoe killing her mobs. i got on and was told about it, i went to aid her in keeping her spot. They finally left altogether when they saw me.
Really now that was pure the act of bullying. My girlfriend PM them and there was no reply, if he wants her spot he can at least ask or something.

AOEing is a bit tricky. On the one hand, your gf was there first. OTOH, venos are ridiculously slow at AOE killing, and since mobs don't respawn until they're killed, her AOEing is reducing the number of mobs available for other folks to kill. (By my calculations in the time an AOE veno could kill, say, 10 mobs, she probably could've killed 12-15 attacking one at a time, freeing each of those up for respawn immediately.)

BMs however are pretty efficient AOE grinders. Their AOE skills do damage to all mobs (not just reflect damage like a herc), so killing 10 mobs for them takes little more time than killing 1.

So from a purely "what's best for everyone?" standpoint, the BM was in the right and your gf in the wrong. How that balances out against her being there first is a moral question you'll have to decide. I should however point out that the best outcome for everyone would've been for all three to group. BM gets veno bramble, veno is free to drop AOEs instead of spamheal, pet can help bring stuff to BM instead of him having to go get everything, stuff dies faster so cleric has to heal less and can spend more time AOEing thus making stuff die even faster, everyone gets more exp/hr.

redknightx · February 2010

well said solandri and many others that had understood the post and given a good response and view, really appreciate it.
ty also for explaining how city of abomination works lol

then again there were more than enough mobs to be going around in case 2, just that certain person had chose to cross the line without asking first atleast. Still thinks jumping into the collected mobs and aoe ks is not really right though.

thinks in conclusion people just needs to talk more and be lil polite, a few words shouldn't hurt or be too much trouble to say that is... and of course we need know what we are saying, and not act like smart asses that mindlessly blurt our stuff without understanding things fully.
Is really happy people are kind enough to share their opinions, we all here to learn like i have said in most my post lol.

thank you b:thanks

Rebutia - Harshlands · February 2010

Perhaps I should relate a harshlands variation on this QQ theme.

A few weeks ago, I got stuck with 20 quests. This meant that I could not do all sorts of things (like teleport does not work when you have 20 quests). I had a crazy stone quest which I could have turned in, if only I were in Archosaur.

b:cry

So... I had a crazy idea... maybe I should finish one of my quests?

I was in lost city, and I had a low level one man army that I had not done in like forever, so I went out to kill 20 jaden pyroflames or whatever they were called. Which was all well and good, but apparently a level 6 barbarian was also working on them and the first thing he did was call in his level 95 archer friend (who must have teleported into lost city and then apothecary+holy path'd to my location). Both me and my pet scorpion died several seconds sooner than we would have died if I had reacted quickly.

So I wait a bit and build back up my mana and health and go out to finish my quest. The archer was of course long gone by then.

This time the barbarian talks with me, and finds out I am just finishing my quest and I was not specifically trying to harass him, and he lets me kill my last six monsters.

So... um... on harshlands if you are attacking monsters someone else feels are theirs, you might be taking your life into your own hands.

b:chuckle

Telarith - Sanctuary · February 2010

redknightx wrote: »

i had also requested opinions on my post, if i had not wanted opinions it points how ignorant i am (spelling that i think i'm absolutely right). and some people really need read the post really clear and understand before making comments which based on it might be indirectly reflecting themselves in many ways.

Was I being asked to read a post that hadn't existed yet that clarified what the misleading diction used in the original post said? Sorry, my psychic powers are working on cracking the lottery at the moment. b:laugh

Iseria - Harshlands · February 2010

ShadowsWrath - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Isnt that event based on most kills ? If so then its everyman/woman for themselves and courtesy goes out the window.

couldnt have said it betterb:thanks

Faith_z - Sanctuary · February 2010

I do see a lot of people killstealing now i started playing my alt (lvl 40 veno) Leveling my pet, testing its boundaries by having it tank 3 mobs at a time on a whole field with mobs, and a bunch of physics (that with one shot had half hp of the mob so got the kill) just started attacking whatever they saw, whatever anyone else had attacked, and that just makes me go grrr...

It happens when i am not paying attention and accidentally attack a mob someone else attacked too, i whisper them and say i didn't intend to be in their way, thats just how i am. I know i cant ask that much of other people, but when there is a whole field of mobs and you repeatedly hit the one
other people are already attacking you get on my nerves.

We started finding spots that werent 'infected' by those people so half the squad moved somewhere a it further, and they came after us and did it again, seemed like the ' ha i can killsteal from you so i feel a bigger person' syndrom.

Same as a lower lvl cleric coming up to me there asking me if i could help. I said 'with what?' so i can decide whether im even capable of helping, she tells me to follow. I ask her to tell me what she needs help on first, and she just starts yelling im a fat pig and what have we not (lots of ******'s)

I dont know if it is just because i am playing the lower lvl caracter again and people arent past their 'noobness' and havent found out how the game works, or because its actually people being more rude, but it sure is irritating.

Airyll - Dreamweaver · February 2010

This game was not made with little patches of ground saying "Player X's spot is here. Stay out".

This game was made with X number of mobs - like every other MMO in existence - and that if there are too many players in the area, X number of mobs will die faster and doubtless people will end up kill stealing if there is a limited number of mobs around.

Some people -coughRinaricough- don't give a damn if you're killing a mob or not. In these cases, they reckon they come first before everybody else and have a very "holier than thou" attitude. They basically reckon if they can kill a mob first then it's theirs.
These people will also never play on a PvP server. Ever. Because that kind of attitude on a PvP server will have you killed very quickly after you're level 30, so they hide behind the blue name barrier on a PvE server so they can act high and mighty and get away with it.

Other people will kill steal, apologise to you and move on. Accidents happen. These people are generally and typically quite pleasant, but every now and then you'll get the person who steals accidently, will apologise but will then do it accidently again later because they aren't really paying attention.

Sadly, you have to live with the *******s.

Katzyn - Sanctuary · February 2010

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

This game was not made with little patches of ground saying "Player X's spot is here. Stay out".

This game was made with X number of mobs - like every other MMO in existence - and that if there are too many players in the area, X number of mobs will die faster and doubtless people will end up kill stealing if there is a limited number of mobs around.

Some people -coughRinaricough- don't give a damn if you're killing a mob or not. In these cases, they reckon they come first before everybody else and have a very "holier than thou" attitude. They basically reckon if they can kill a mob first then it's theirs.
These people will also never play on a PvP server. Ever. Because that kind of attitude on a PvP server will have you killed very quickly after you're level 30, so they hide behind the blue name barrier on a PvE server so they can act high and mighty and get away with it.

Other people will kill steal, apologise to you and move on. Accidents happen. These people are generally and typically quite pleasant, but every now and then you'll get the person who steals accidently, will apologise but will then do it accidently again later because they aren't really paying attention.

Sadly, you have to live with the *******s.

^ This. It's frustrating, and you wonder if they have a momma, and why didn't she teach them better manners, but there's really nothing you can do but be the better man (or woman, as the case may or may not be), and deal with it in a civilised manner. Screaming at the person (as I have seen so many times) really generally doesn't do a damn thing. Sometimes asking them to stop stealing does more than screaming at them.

About the OP's girlfriend, though...I can see both sides of the issue. If she was there first, and repeatedly rounded up all the mobs to aoe grind on them, then yes, I feel she was in the right. If the other guys were there first, and she wasn't sharing....Well, I would call that rude. As an MMO, we need to know how to share. Either way, the fact that they didn't say anything to her, and just started killing the mobs that where on her pet...That's pretty bad, IMO. Then again, if they didn't speak English...

I dunno, I think I'm just rambling here. Solandri had a really good answer, regarding this - working together, rather than both parties trying to hog mobs.

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary · February 2010

yea plp are rly getting more rude, like my friend send me a pm the other day and i was like whats wrong she said that she was doing bh69 she wined it and she made wine cost very cheap so suddenly she dc and someone else got lead and what that person do she inv someone else so 1min later my friend comes on she says inv me pls i dc'de and the other says srry got someone in your place =_= and then she was like pming whole time and then she says like the cleric we got to help doesnt wanne leave and my friend like wth... and she pming the cleric and she says like srry you left and i took your place and she sends this

>

O_o like happy taking someone's bh in the worst thing is she didnt even need the bh ! *cough darkfaction if i ever see you in same squad im gonna kick your **** together with the others, nobody does mean things like that to my friends b:angry

darkfaction33 · February 2010

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary wrote: »

yea plp are rly getting more rude, like my friend send me a pm the other day and i was like whats wrong she said that she was doing bh69 she wined it and she made wine cost very cheap so suddenly she dc and someone else got lead and what that person do she inv someone else so 1min later my friend comes on she says inv me pls i dc'de and the other says srry got someone in your place =_= and then she was like pming whole time and then she says like the cleric we got to help doesnt wanne leave and my friend like wth... and she pming the cleric and she says like srry you left and i took your place and she sends this
> O_o like happy taking someone's bh in the worst thing is she didnt even need the bh ! *cough darkfaction if i ever see you in same squad im gonna kick your **** together with the others, nobody does mean things like that to my friends b:angry

u know the funny thing i was the one trying to get her back into the squad every1 else didnt want her back in cuz she didnt get back from being dced for about 20min thats y i got som1 else and if u feal bad for her i got scammed and lost about 8m a week ago seriously come on its 60k and she dced its her fault

darkfaction33 · February 2010

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary wrote: »

yea plp are rly getting more rude, like my friend send me a pm the other day and i was like whats wrong she said that she was doing bh69 she wined it and she made wine cost very cheap so suddenly she dc and someone else got lead and what that person do she inv someone else so 1min later my friend comes on she says inv me pls i dc'de and the other says srry got someone in your place =_= and then she was like pming whole time and then she says like the cleric we got to help doesnt wanne leave and my friend like wth... and she pming the cleric and she says like srry you left and i took your place and she sends this
> O_o like happy taking someone's bh in the worst thing is she didnt even need the bh ! *cough darkfaction if i ever see you in same squad im gonna kick your **** together with the others, nobody does mean things like that to my friends b:angry

i wasnt the one who took her place that was my friend that is a cleric so maybe u need to get ur facts straight b4 u post a thread on me

redknightx · February 2010

Was I being asked to read a post that hadn't existed yet that clarified what the misleading diction used in the original post said? Sorry, my psychic powers are working on cracking the lottery at the moment.

hmmm had not asked u to read anything in the first place... and oh some people really like to jump in and admit on things that was squarely not directed to them anyways b:laugh (i have not named anyone, am just saying "some people")... but o well

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary · February 2010

Rinari - Raging Tide wrote: »

i dont tho... if they can outdamage both me (puremag build) and my pet, then GG on them, props where deserved

i have yet to get KS'd by someone while questing... except for when highlvls are helping guildies or w/e

(and yes, i'm talking about my veno on another server)

Sad, I can pretty much guarantee all your characters are on PvE servers? Why? Because ks'ing people on a PvP server with that "I don't give a **** about you" rude attitude would most likely have them simply kill you, or hop on a 9x main or bring faction mates to do so.

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary · February 2010

darkfaction33 wrote: »

i wasnt the one who took her place that was my friend that is a cleric so maybe u need to get ur facts straight b4 u post a thread on me

you did pay for wine, and come on she only dc'd for like what 2mins ? you shouldn't of have inited someone else you know

NinnaXXX - Sanctuary · February 2010

darkfaction33 wrote: »

u know the funny thing i was the one trying to get her back into the squad every1 else didnt want her back in cuz she didnt get back from being dced for about 20min thats y i got som1 else and if u feal bad for her i got scammed and lost about 8m a week ago seriously come on its 60k and she dced its her fault

20mins? she said she only dc'de for a bit not that long, and yea money is money she also saved and paid for it

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