Hyper EXP increase...
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VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »well calling others stupid and ignoring simple facts doesnt make u any better. As u can see we arguing about same thing and i dont see why u cant understand this. My point isnt something i just have found in Mars. As i stated above there were no annoucements how exp will be calculated. So calling me stupid does not prove your point or deny mine.
I think anyone who'd paid attention and didn't lose their minds in all the hype would of figured there would be two ways this event + hyper stones would work. Knowing how bad PW's mechanics are, it would of probably hinted that it would be an additive operation, not a multiplicative one.
Who cares if it were not announced? I don't see PW releasing information on how other game mechanics work. Do we really complain about those? I doubt it. Deal with it.0 -
Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »I think anyone who'd paid attention and didn't lose their minds in all the hype would of figured there would be two ways this event + hyper stones would work. Knowing how bad PW's mechanics are, it would of probably hinted that it would be an additive operation, not a multiplicative one.
Who cares if it were not announced? I don't see PW releasing information on how other game mechanics work. Do we really complain about those? I doubt it. Deal with it.
Deal with it? tbh, i have no other choice. I dont care that much about it, just wanted to state that lack of information can lead to confusion. Tried once, great exp but dissapointed. I still have hope for this gameMy in-game name is:
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where l is L b:victory
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VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »tbh, i have played other mmorpgs and 2x exp was 2x exp not some a+b.. But then again, i have never saw any official GM announcement about it. I understand about what u talking but as i stated before it should be not like this. The thing is that PWI dont care. How this cannot be called scam? u buy Esotericas, HE and expect that they do what they are for. But they give far less exp and u cannot find out why cuz there is no official explanation from GMs. But why would they? This way is more attractive for potential customers and if u feel scammed u can always send a ticket
wow just wow cant believe we have to keep dumbing ourselves down for you to understand this.
answer these questions to yourself and you will have your answer.
1-how much xp do you get from a mob under normal 1x base xp?
2-how much xp do you get from the same mob under 2x xp?
3-is your answer from #2 2x of #1?
if your answer to question 3 was yes you just nullified your idiotic argument. also a GM (kantorek the chicken) stated before maintenance was over exactly how it was going to work. go look it up.
also just for your information...
-1x2 is the same as 1+1
-any 2x or whatever event on any game that has ever or will ever exist has worked the same way.
-base mob rates are never changed all they do is add in a multiplier to base rates.
-2x xp=1x bonus
-12x hyper xp=11x bonus
-1x+11x=12x bonus
-12x bonus+1x base xp=13x xp rates
your problem is you cant seem to understand that everything is determined according to the BASE xp rate. no amount of multipliers will ever change that base rate that is hard coded into the game by the developers and the GMs are not able to change that base rate on any game in existence.VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »well calling others stupid and ignoring simple facts doesnt make u any better. As u can see we arguing about same thing and i dont see why u cant understand this. My point isnt something i just have found in Mars. As i stated above there were no annoucements how exp will be calculated. So calling me stupid does not prove your point or deny mine.
looks like you are the one that keeps ignoring simple facts. why cant you understand simple logic when it is right in front of you. also search is your friend. it was clearly stated by a GM before you were ever able to buy a single hyper stone that it would only give 13x and that you add the multipliers you do not multiply the multipliers. your ignorance is not an excuse for claiming you were scammed because of your failure to either use common sense or look up a previously posted answer by a GM.0 -
Who says it should multiply and not add? That seems to be the decision of the devs and not the players. Imagine if the players got to decide how things like xp multipliers or buffs and debuffs should stack. The game would be unplayable in less than a week. Everybody would be 105 and nobody would be able to kill anybody else.0
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Why do ppl complain about whatever the devs come up with?
Hyper Exp is actually a great thing, especially for higher lvls, we should be thankful to even have a feature like that. Honestly i might be wrong but i've never seen any MMoprg with features for lvling that fast. and stilll instead of beeing thankfull that its now x13 instead of normal exp they complain about why it doesn't stack -.-. Just think what u would do without dailies, hyper exp. Yeah u would be grinding a lot longer to get a lvl. I personally sure think its a good idea since i myself don't have much time to play and with this feature i can grind for few hrs and get a lot of exp(safe time) and i don't think u lvl too fast so u still have time to learn how to play ur class0 -
dont tell me that i fail at reading or searching cuz i never claimed that PWI scammed ME or im QQ about it.
Well they never said that exp will be multiplied but double means two numbers multiplied (common sense) not a+a. I can think that majority of ppl in these forums thought that it will be multiplied. But who cares now.
I see, that poster that said about every1 will enrage and begin to flame, was right. There is no point to keep me telling what i meant anymore. Some ppl dont wanna understand and keep repeating same thing again, but from other angle.My in-game name is:
V i l k a s P i l k a s
where l is L b:victory
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Vell - Heavens Tear wrote: »Might as well let it go, man. The other's are just gonna rag on you for assuming what most players probably assumed as well. Including me. Granted, PWI did not tell us what KIND of stacking was occuring, but since they didn't go out of their way to fool you, it may suck, but not a scam. Is what it is.
people, it's simple math. . it would be overly ridiculous to assume they would give us 24x exp. . . b:shocked0 -
AlanWake - Harshlands wrote: »people, it's simple math. . it would be overly ridiculous to assume they would give us 24x exp. . . b:shocked
It's already ridiculous enough that they gave us 12x exp.
24 would have just been icing on cake.0 -
Most things in this game add.
If you are a wizard and have +100% phys defense from stone barrier, +60% phys defense from bell, +60% phys defense from cleric buff, you are left with +220% defense. If you are hit with a -40% defense debuff you are left with +180% defense.
Similarly +100% additional XP from 2x XP stacks with +1100% additional XP from hyper xp to get +1200% additional XP (aka 13x).
Those familiar with PWI style math expected this and no where was there a claim of 24x anywhere.
Really with PWI style math 2x XP week should be marketed as
+100% XP
and 12x Hyper XP should be
+1100% XP
Training scrolls are
+50% XP
Valentine Pendant Sweet is
+4% XP
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VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »dont tell me that i fail at reading or searching cuz i never claimed that PWI scammed ME or im QQ about it.
Well they never said that exp will be multiplied but double means two numbers multiplied (common sense) not a+a. I can think that majority of ppl in these forums thought that it will be multiplied. But who cares now.
I see, that poster that said about every1 will enrage and begin to flame, was right. There is no point to keep me telling what i meant anymore. Some ppl dont wanna understand and keep repeating same thing again, but from other angle.
You say you never claimed PWI never scammed you? How about this quote, just a few posts back?VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »i understand that but still its not how it should be.
Well 2x means 2*100%(base) exp, not 100%+100%. 3x would be 3*100% not 100%+100%+100%. In other words its means that exp is multiplied not summed. So when default exp is lets say 100 for kill, then with 12x u should get 1200 exp per kill. And if we add 2x (which means double exp (info from official PWI webpage) not 100% more exp) it should be 2400 exp per kill. So thats why im saying that PWI scamming ppl, giving them false information.
just checked official pwi announcement about this event and did not find any word, mark or anything saying that 2x exp is 2 times base exp. There is only said that we got 2x exp event. So i dont see why u cant understand why we cannot agree with this new exp calculation formula.
Btw, there was a lot threads about this confusion (or smth like that) before 2x event. And where were our GMs? GMs never gave us any clear answer about this. But when u think where PWI is going than it starts to make sense..
Game, set, match, laddie...if spoons were here, this thread would have been locked a while ago, and a proper explanation of the Hyper EXP would have been given...
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VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »dont tell me that i fail at reading or searching cuz i never claimed that PWI scammed ME or im QQ about it.
Well they never said that exp will be multiplied but double means two numbers multiplied (common sense) not a+a. I can think that majority of ppl in these forums thought that it will be multiplied. But who cares now.
I see, that poster that said about every1 will enrage and begin to flame, was right. There is no point to keep me telling what i meant anymore. Some ppl dont wanna understand and keep repeating same thing again, but from other angle.
short memory?VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »Well 2x means 2*100%(base) exp, not 100%+100%. 3x would be 3*100% not 100%+100%+100%. In other words its means that exp is multiplied not summed. So when default exp is lets say 100 for kill, then with 12x u should get 1200 exp per kill. And if we add 2x (which means double exp (info from official PWI webpage) not 100% more exp) it should be 2400 exp per kill. So thats why im saying that PWI scamming ppl, giving them false information.VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »tbh, i have played other mmorpgs and 2x exp was 2x exp not some a+b.. But then again, i have never saw any official GM announcement about it. I understand about what u talking but as i stated before it should be not like this. The thing is that PWI dont care. How this cannot be called scam? u buy Esotericas, HE and expect that they do what they are for. But they give far less exp and u cannot find out why cuz there is no official explanation from GMs. But why would they? This way is more attractive for potential customers and if u feel scammed u can always send a ticketVilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »So, then how much exp i would get with 12x hyper exp(=HE) after this event ends?
cuz i dont see understand..2x exp means that i get 2 times more exp. So after this event i should get (with 12x HE) 12 times more exp? but then, right now we have 2x exp event (double exp) so i dont see how this is not a scamVilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »That makes no sense. Now we have double exp, which means we get 2 times more base exp. Now if we use stones on 12x exp rates we should get 24x exp rates. So if hyper exp and 2x event stacks, then:
base exp : 500
with 2x event:1000
with hyper exp: 1000 * 12 so u should be getting 12k exp.
Too bad i have been fooled by this scam...
thats 4 times in less than 5 hours. someone has a real bad memory.0 -
I see. Thanks.
40% exp after 1 full hour of massive AoE-fest...rather underwhelmed, not something I'd spend gold on again and again.
sounds like you are high 8x. i got 3.5% an hour back when i played and there was two dailies, cs and wm, wm gave 200k (3%) and cs gave less than that.
daily cube was for the upperclass.
33 hours of grinding to level once vs 4mil and 3 hours.. b:shutup0 -
Devoted - Lost City wrote: »sounds like you are high 8x. i got 3.5% an hour back when i played and there was two dailies, cs and wm, wm gave 200k (3%) and cs gave less than that.
daily cube was for the upperclass.
33 hours of grinding to level once vs 4mil and 3 hours.. b:shutup
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lol @ this thread...all i can think of now is "Never argue with a stupid person, they just drag you to their level and beat you with experience." b:surrenderI hope that I shall always possess firmness and virtue enough to maintain what I consider the most enviable of title, the character of an honest man. -George Washington0
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well... it's pretty obvious that if a buyer doesnt get a clear definition of what he's buying (and the definition was unclear coz there were 2 options on how the STACKING will be implemented) the buyer 'd expect to recieve the best of the options.
IMO with x12 rates a "summing stacking" is such a low bonus that almost does not influence the result.
"multyplying stacking" means x24 rates
"summing stacking" means x13 rates
"not stacking" means x12 rates
Hmm.. did someone seriously expect those who'd buy and test it 'll say "wow, ty it works fine we got 8.33% more exp due to the stack" ^^0 -
I for one, was ebil and waiting for people to test the stones. I have gold ready and are just waiting for feedback.
It seems that this will not be worth it to use at double exp weeks. b:chuckle0 -
QFT.Trawne - Lost City wrote: »lol @ this thread...all i can think of now is "Never argue with a stupid person, they just drag you to their level and beat you with experience." b:surrender
And honestly, if it's an additive stacking, which it seems to be, it's not that it isn't worth it to use on double EXP weeks. You still get the exact same bonus. It's just that it's no MORE worthwhile than using it at any other time.0 -
Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »short memory?
thats 4 times in less than 5 hours. someone has a real bad memory.
Just to add logs into the fire, it doesn't look like he said he personally was scammed. He felt like this was a scam, but never said he was scammed. He has also said that other people was scammed, but never once did he say he personally was scammed.
You can assume that he meant he was scammed in his statements, but then again you would be like the other people who assumed it would multiply to 24x.
As I stated before, this is just to add logs into the fire. b:angry0 -
so many humans be so fail at simple arithmetic.....
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DNac - Sanctuary wrote: »Just to add logs into the fire, it doesn't look like he said he personally was scammed. He felt like this was a scam, but never said he was scammed. He has also said that other people was scammed, but never once did he say he personally was scammed.
You can assume that he meant he was scammed in his statements, but then again you would be like the other people who assumed it would multiply to 24x.
As I stated before, this is just to add logs into the fire. b:angry
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Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »Uh, NO.
2x EXP means you're getting 100% more EXP meaning you get 200% in total. Not 100% + 200%. Again, your mathematics fail and you might want to check that.
Let's put this in really, really simple terms.
Let's say that the EXP you get from a mob with no events, no ESO and no Hyper EXP is base EXP.
Hyper EXP = base EXP multiplied by whatever Hyper EXP session you use. Let's use x12 as an example. Therefore it is base EXP x 12.
The event = base EXP multiplied by two
Get it now? Hyper EXP is not 12, or 5, or whatever session you use, multiplied by 2x EXP. It's the base EXP.
It's easy to assume that they were going to make Hyper Stones multiply the EXP you get from 2x EXP - but the mathematics don't actually work that way and PWI never said they would. Therefore, it isn't their fault that you assumed the wrong thing.
Can this be any clearer? Or are you still going to QQ about something that is actually your fault?
My my, aren't we pissy. You seem more upset over the misunderstandings than the original poster. lol. The 14x I got was from the assumption that the 2x event would be counted seperately from the 12x and then added together. If the base is only counted once, then you are correct about it being 13x. If there was a post to explain all this apparently I missed it. Be nice if it was posted with the patch notes, but it wasn't. And here we are, enjoying you're lovely posts b:lipcurl. Oh, what fun...0 -
Vell - Heavens Tear wrote: »My my, aren't we pissy. You seem more upset over the misunderstandings than the original poster. lol. The 14x I got was from the assumption that the 2x event would be counted seperately from the 12x and then added together. If the base is only counted once, then you are correct about it being 13x. If there was a post to explain all this apparently I missed it. Be nice if it was posted with the patch notes, but it wasn't. And here we are, enjoying you're lovely posts b:lipcurl. Oh, what fun...Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »Most things in this game add.
If you are a wizard and have +100% phys defense from stone barrier, +60% phys defense from bell, +60% phys defense from cleric buff, you are left with +220% defense. If you are hit with a -40% defense debuff you are left with +180% defense.
Similarly +100% additional XP from 2x XP stacks with +1100% additional XP from hyper xp to get +1200% additional XP (aka 13x).
Those familiar with PWI style math expected this and no where was there a claim of 24x anywhere.
Really with PWI style math 2x XP week should be marketed as
+100% XP
and 12x Hyper XP should be
+1100% XP
Training scrolls are
+50% XP
Valentine Pendant Sweet is
+4% XP
get the idea?
Asterelle has put it nicely. Here you go; in red.0 -
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Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »I for one, was ebil and waiting for people to test the stones. I have gold ready and are just waiting for feedback.
It seems that this will not be worth it to use at double exp weeks. b:chuckle
When else would you use it? Normal grind? You still get more Exp, just not as much as some people would expect. I'm quite pleased with it to be honest. I thought I wouldn't hit the next level for another 4 days at least and ended up getting it in one night
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Legerity - Sanctuary wrote: »Asterelle has put it nicely. Here you go; in red.
I had seen that before your post, but thank you anyways. She definitely explains it the best way.0 -
DNac - Sanctuary wrote: »Just to add logs into the fire, it doesn't look like he said he personally was scammed. He felt like this was a scam, but never said he was scammed. He has also said that other people was scammed, but never once did he say he personally was scammed.
You can assume that he meant he was scammed in his statements, but then again you would be like the other people who assumed it would multiply to 24x.
As I stated before, this is just to add logs into the fire. b:angry
learn to readVilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »That makes no sense. Now we have double exp, which means we get 2 times more base exp. Now if we use stones on 12x exp rates we should get 24x exp rates. So if hyper exp and 2x event stacks, then:
base exp : 500
with 2x event:1000
with hyper exp: 1000 * 12 so u should be getting 12k exp.
Too bad i have been fooled by this scam...
seriously you must be as slow in the head as he is to not understand those words.0 -
Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »short memory?
thats 4 times in less than 5 hours. someone has a real bad memory.Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »learn to read
seriously you must be as slow in the head as he is to not understand those words.
Well, I stand corrected. I missed the final quote, but I guess then your statement should read 1 time in less than 5 hours. lol0 -
DNac - Sanctuary wrote: »Well, I stand corrected. I missed the final quote, but I guess then your statement should read 1 time in less than 5 hours. lol
not really because the others are just as obvious, especially when you already have 1 that shows it basically word for word.0
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