Hyper EXP increase...

maocchi

I used 12x Hyper EXP session last night on mobs south of 1k Streams.

I was getting around 6k exp per mob. After session was over (when I returned to the normal state), it was around 1k per mob.

I don't understand. Isn't that basically only 6x increase? Shouldn't I have gotten around 12k per mob? Or does this use some secret formula that I'm not fully understanding? b:surrender

rikako

seems to be correct i guess

-> without double exp it should be 500 per mob?
-> hyper exp = 6k
-> double exp = 1k

Rumble - Harshlands

But didn't they say the hyper stones combined with double exp event? By your math they would not. I.e. normal exp is 500 so 12x is 6000 exp. If they did in fact combine then it should be as he said, 12k.

Can we get a GM to comment on this please? I think a lot of people are rushing out and buying stones and using them for this event for just that reason. I myself have held off because this is not the first time I've heard someone complain about this and I'd prefer to wait until I see a response before buying and using immediately.

RedsRose - Lost City

For 12x Hyper with 2x Exp =

Kantorek wrote: »

Well actually...

It's x13

Kantorek wrote: »

You add the amount of multipliers together. Not multiplying the multiplyers.

vbarbie

YEAH I also got the feeling that Hyper EXP IS NOT SO HYPER afterall .. I feel like I got robbed............ or they just don't know how to multiply

Airyll - Dreamweaver

vbarbie wrote: »

YEAH I also got the feeling that Hyper EXP IS NOT SO HYPER afterall .. I feel like I got robbed............ or they just don't know how to multiply

No, because it's your math that fails.

You're multiplying the multipliers where you should be adding them. For example

x12 Hyper EXP with double EXP is not x24. It's x13 - as RedsRose said.

Therefore meaning a mob that normally gives 500 EXP will now give 6,500 EXP, not 12,000.

Hyper EXP is working fine.

maocchi

I see. Thanks.

40% exp after 1 full hour of massive AoE-fest...rather underwhelmed, not something I'd spend gold on again and again.

Brigid - Harshlands

maocchi wrote: »

I see. Thanks.

40% exp after 1 full hour of massive AoE-fest...rather underwhelmed, not something I'd spend gold on again and again.

Just wait till you get to do FC runs. 70% exp towards level 85, in 4 hours, using around 20 minutes of Hyper time. And that's just with 8x hyper and forgetting to turn it on for a few aoe spots.

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No, because it's your math that fails.

You're multiplying the multipliers where you should be adding them. For example

x12 Hyper EXP with double EXP is not x24. It's x13 - as RedsRose said.

Therefore meaning a mob that normally gives 500 EXP will now give 6,500 EXP, not 12,000.

Hyper EXP is working fine.

That makes no sense. Now we have double exp, which means we get 2 times more base exp. Now if we use stones on 12x exp rates we should get 24x exp rates. So if hyper exp and 2x event stacks, then:
base exp : 500
with 2x event:1000
with hyper exp: 1000 * 12 so u should be getting 12k exp.
Too bad i have been fooled by this scam...

Trawne - Lost City

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »

That makes no sense. Now we have double exp, which means we get 2 times more base exp. Now if we use stones on 12x exp rates we should get 24x exp rates. So if hyper exp and 2x event stacks, then:
base exp : 500
with 2x event:1000
with hyper exp: 1000 * 12 so u should be getting 12k exp.
Too bad i have been fooled by this scam...

maybe you shouldnt have ASSUMED it would multiply and looked into it more first. i see no scam here. you got your 12X from the hyper and you got the 2x from the event. you just didnt get your "OMG I WANT 24x EXP!!!!!11111" that you hyped yourself up for.

it's like going to see a movie everyone raved about then it not living up to the expectations you had. the movie was still good, but now you think it was **** because it's not exactly how you thought it would be.

Brigid - Harshlands

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »

That makes no sense. Now we have double exp, which means we get 2 times more base exp. Now if we use stones on 12x exp rates we should get 24x exp rates. So if hyper exp and 2x event stacks, then:
base exp : 500
with 2x event:1000
with hyper exp: 1000 * 12 so u should be getting 12k exp.
Too bad i have been fooled by this scam...

We get double exp, which means we get 100% more exp. Now if we use stones we get 1100% more exp. If they stack, then you get Base + 100% + 1100% = Base + 1200% = 13x base exp.

Basically, all you people complaining assumed that they're multipliers, and got all hyped up for 24x XP.

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary

Brigid - Harshlands wrote: »

We get double exp, which means we get 100% more exp. Now if we use stones we get 1100% more exp. If they stack, then you get Base + 100% + 1100% = Base + 1200% = 13x base exp.

Basically, all you people complaining assumed that they're multipliers, and got all hyped up for 24x XP.

So, then how much exp i would get with 12x hyper exp(=HE) after this event ends?
cuz i dont see understand..2x exp means that i get 2 times more exp. So after this event i should get (with 12x HE) 12 times more exp? but then, right now we have 2x exp event (double exp) so i dont see how this is not a scam

Vell - Heavens Tear

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »

So, then how much exp i would get with 12x hyper exp(=HE) after this event ends?
cuz i dont see understand..2x exp means that i get 2 times more exp. So after this event i should get (with 12x HE) 12 times more exp? but then, right now we have 2x exp event (double exp) so i dont see how this is not a scam

Might as well let it go, man. The other's are just gonna rag on you for assuming what most players probably assumed as well. Including me. Granted, PWI did not tell us what KIND of stacking was occuring, but since they didn't go out of their way to fool you, it may suck, but not a scam. Is what it is.

Boozin - Sanctuary

The exact multiplier math confuses me...

All I know is that using an 8x "hyper exp session" and grinding on lvl8x mobs outside 1000 streams, for the increased magic attack etc etc mobs, I was getting 8000+ exp per kill.... seems pretty sweet to me.

Until after reading the patch notes with a little more attention, I see now that for the 20hr cool down, I am basically loosing 90% off each kill. I admit, its my own fault I somehow thought about it backwards initially and was under the impression that during cool down ya only lost 10%, but in actual fact you loose 90%... that alone is enough to keep me from doing it again.... so no need to hurt my brain trying to figure out the math b:chuckle

Ence - Lost City

It seemed to work fine for me.

I went fishes which I know gives me roughly 500 exp per kill.

So with event it's about 1000 exp per kill.

I turned on x12 hyper exp which would add 500 x12 to make 6000 a kill.

1000+6000= 7000

And lo and behold, I was making about 7000 a kill. I felt that I got the proper amount of exp o_o

Vell - Heavens Tear

Oh, and another thing...

12x + 1x = 13x

12x + 2x = 14x

Bowlinbob - Lost City

Vell - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh, and another thing...

12x + 1x = 13x

12x + 2x = 14x

500 exp x 2 = 1000
500 exp x 12 = 6000

1000 + 6000 = 7000

not sure whats so hard to grasp...

Forath - Lost City

the reason they add x12 to x1 is because BASE is included in the x1. it also means double. 100% more xp is double or x2.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

Vell - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Oh, and another thing...

12x + 1x = 13x

12x + 2x = 14x

Uh, NO.

2x EXP means you're getting 100% more EXP meaning you get 200% in total. Not 100% + 200%. Again, your mathematics fail and you might want to check that.

Let's put this in really, really simple terms.

Let's say that the EXP you get from a mob with no events, no ESO and no Hyper EXP is base EXP.

Hyper EXP = base EXP multiplied by whatever Hyper EXP session you use. Let's use x12 as an example. Therefore it is base EXP x 12.

The event = base EXP multiplied by two

Get it now? Hyper EXP is not 12, or 5, or whatever session you use, multiplied by 2x EXP. It's the base EXP.

It's easy to assume that they were going to make Hyper Stones multiply the EXP you get from 2x EXP - but the mathematics don't actually work that way and PWI never said they would. Therefore, it isn't their fault that you assumed the wrong thing.

Can this be any clearer? Or are you still going to QQ about something that is actually your fault?

Konariraiden - Heavens Tear

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Uh, NO.

2x EXP means you're getting 100% more EXP meaning you get 200% in total. Not 100% + 200%. Again, your mathematics fail and you might want to check that.

Let's put this in really, really simple terms.

Let's say that the EXP you get from a mob with no events, no ESO and no Hyper EXP is base EXP.

Hyper EXP = base EXP multiplied by whatever Hyper EXP session you use. Let's use x12 as an example. Therefore it is base EXP x 12.

The event = base EXP multiplied by two

Get it now? Hyper EXP is not 12, or 5, or whatever session you use, multiplied by 2x EXP. It's the base EXP.

It's easy to assume that they were going to make Hyper Stones multiply the EXP you get from 2x EXP - but the mathematics don't actually work that way and PWI never said they would. Therefore, it isn't their fault that you assumed the wrong thing.

Can this be any clearer? Or are you still going to QQ about something that is actually your fault?

/thread

b:bye

maocchi

Wow, can we relax a bit?
I assumed wrong on how Hyper EXP worked with 2x EXP bonus as did some others and felt a bit underwhelmed. No need to get all offensive.

And all Vell was doing was stating her own understanding not complaining. Don't need to bash her for something she didn't do.

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary

Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »

500 exp x 2 = 1000
500 exp x 12 = 6000

1000 + 6000 = 7000

not sure whats so hard to grasp...

i understand that but still its not how it should be.

Forath - Lost City wrote: »

the reason they add x12 to x1 is because BASE is included in the x1. it also means double. 100% more xp is double or x2.

Well 2x means 2*100%(base) exp, not 100%+100%. 3x would be 3*100% not 100%+100%+100%. In other words its means that exp is multiplied not summed. So when default exp is lets say 100 for kill, then with 12x u should get 1200 exp per kill. And if we add 2x (which means double exp (info from official PWI webpage) not 100% more exp) it should be 2400 exp per kill. So thats why im saying that PWI scamming ppl, giving them false information.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Uh, NO.

2x EXP means you're getting 100% more EXP meaning you get 200% in total. Not 100% + 200%. Again, your mathematics fail and you might want to check that.

Let's put this in really, really simple terms.

Let's say that the EXP you get from a mob with no events, no ESO and no Hyper EXP is base EXP.

Hyper EXP = base EXP multiplied by whatever Hyper EXP session you use. Let's use x12 as an example. Therefore it is base EXP x 12.

The event = base EXP multiplied by two

Get it now? Hyper EXP is not 12, or 5, or whatever session you use, multiplied by 2x EXP. It's the base EXP.

It's easy to assume that they were going to make Hyper Stones multiply the EXP you get from 2x EXP - but the mathematics don't actually work that way and PWI never said they would. Therefore, it isn't their fault that you assumed the wrong thing.

Can this be any clearer? Or are you still going to QQ about something that is actually your fault?

just checked official pwi announcement about this event and did not find any word, mark or anything saying that 2x exp is 2 times base exp. There is only said that we got 2x exp event. So i dont see why u cant understand why we cannot agree with this new exp calculation formula.
Btw, there was a lot threads about this confusion (or smth like that) before 2x event. And where were our GMs? GMs never gave us any clear answer about this. But when u think where PWI is going than it starts to make sense..

Airyll - Dreamweaver

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »

Well 2x means 2*100%(base) exp, not 100%+100%. 3x would be 3*100% not 100%+100%+100%. In other words its means that exp is multiplied not summed. So when default exp is lets say 100 for kill, then with 12x u should get 1200 exp per kill. And if we add 2x (which means double exp (info from official PWI webpage) not 100% more exp) it should be 2400 exp per kill. So thats why im saying that PWI scamming ppl, giving them false information.

Somebody can't read.

Let me post it again for you.

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Uh, NO.

2x EXP means you're getting 100% more EXP meaning you get 200% in total. Not 100% + 200%. Again, your mathematics fail and you might want to check that.

Let's put this in really, really simple terms.

Let's say that the EXP you get from a mob with no events, no ESO and no Hyper EXP is base EXP.

Hyper EXP = base EXP multiplied by whatever Hyper EXP session you use. Let's use x12 as an example. Therefore it is base EXP x 12.

The event = base EXP multiplied by two

Get it now? Hyper EXP is not 12, or 5, or whatever session you use, multiplied by 2x EXP. It's the base EXP.

It's easy to assume that they were going to make Hyper Stones multiply the EXP you get from 2x EXP - but the mathematics don't actually work that way and PWI never said they would. Therefore, it isn't their fault that you assumed the wrong thing.

Can this be any clearer? Or are you still going to QQ about something that is actually your fault?

↑ PW wasn't scamming anybody. Read that quoted post. Then read it again. Then a third time.

Got it yet?

The 2x EXP event is TWO TIMES THE NORMAL BASE EXP. Caps for emphasis. Read that, then read it again.

The Hyper EXP is WHATEVER SESSION YOU PICK TIMES THE NORMAL BASE EXP. Caps for emphasis again. Read that, then read it again.

Have you gotten the picture yet? PWE scammed nobody. You assumed it would be x24 EXP because that sounded cool. In fact, I assumed it too. But when I sat down and actually used my brain I realised that it wouldn't be that way. Because every single event/item that increases EXP makes the increases by multiplying original base EXP and not EXP multiplied by a second event.

I seriously hope people start getting the picture and stop accusing PWE of scamming them when it was their own fault and not that of PWE. I also hope I never have to use so much emphasis to get such a simple point through ever again, it's so tedious.

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

Somebody can't read.

Let me post it again for you.



↑ PW wasn't scamming anybody. Read that quoted post. Then read it again. Then a third time.

Got it yet?

The 2x EXP event is TWO TIMES THE NORMAL BASE EXP. Caps for emphasis. Read that, then read it again.

The Hyper EXP is WHATEVER SESSION YOU PICK TIMES THE NORMAL BASE EXP. Caps for emphasis again. Read that, then read it again.

Have you gotten the picture yet? PWE scammed nobody. You assumed it would be x24 EXP because that sounded cool. In fact, I assumed it too. But when I sat down and actually used my brain I realised that it wouldn't be that way. Because every single event/item that increases EXP makes the increases by multiplying original base EXP and not EXP multiplied by a second event.

I seriously hope people start getting the picture and stop accusing PWE of scamming them when it was their own fault and not that of PWE. I also hope I never have to use so much emphasis to get such a simple point through ever again, it's so tedious.

well if u are such a genius, show me where is stated that 2x is 2 times based exp? yeah it was always like that in pwi but we never had HE before. In other games 2x exp is 2x exp not something else.

Airyll - Dreamweaver

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »

well if u are such a genius, show me where is stated that 2x is 2 times based exp? yeah it was always like that in pwi but we never had HE before. In other games 2x exp is 2x exp not something else.

... Are you seriously that dumb or are you playing pretend?

Let's do some really nice simple math.

Let's say a mob gives you 100 EXP. That 100 EXP right there is base EXP.

With a 2x EXP event, that mobs gives you 200 EXP. Why? Because it's two times the base EXP. As in, 100 multiplied by 2. As in 100 x 2.

Holy ****, that was real hard mathematics, wasn't it?

I'm no genius, but a 2x event is 2x base EXP which is the same as 200% EXP which is the same as two times the normal amount of EXP.

Are we getting anywhere yet?

Foxgrit - Lost City

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »

That makes no sense. Now we have double exp, which means we get 2 times more base exp. Now if we use stones on 12x exp rates we should get 24x exp rates. So if hyper exp and 2x event stacks, then:
base exp : 500
with 2x event:1000
with hyper exp: 1000 * 12 so u should be getting 12k exp.
Too bad i have been fooled by this scam...

your biggest problem is thinking that the "base" xp has been changed. that has always been the same the only thing that is different is the multiplier for each mob. i'll dumb it down for everyone so they can understand.

500xp=1x

2x xp

1x+1x=2x
2x=1x+1x bonus
500+500=1000xp(2x)

12x hyper xp
500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500=6000xp (12x)

12x hyper xp + 2x
500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500=6500xp (12x+1x bonus)

seriously its not that tough to understand. also it has been said by the GMs since before the hyper stones entered the cash shop. you seriously think they went in and changed the "base" rate for every mob in game? all they do is ADD in a multiplier. 12x+1x=13x

seriously if you cant understand that go back to 10 year old math. maybe 12 year old math for you stupid people. btw if any of you (that live in the US anyway) have not had basic algebra you are not allowed to play this game anyway because no one under the age of 13 is allowed to play according to the TOS.

btw sadly i had to have my 7 year old nephew write that out for me because i cant dumb myself down to that level to explain things to morons.

Bowlinbob - Lost City

Foxgrit - Lost City wrote: »

your biggest problem is thinking that the "base" xp has been changed. that has always been the same the only thing that is different is the multiplier for each mob. i'll dumb it down for everyone so they can understand.

500xp=1x

2x xp

1x+1x=2x
2x=1x+1x bonus
500+500=1000xp(2x)

12x hyper xp
500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500=6000xp (12x)

12x hyper xp + 2x
500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500+500=6500xp (12x+1x bonus)

seriously its not that tough to understand. also it has been said by the GMs since before the hyper stones entered the cash shop. you seriously think they went in and changed the "base" rate for every mob in game? all they do is ADD in a multiplier. 12x+1x=13x

seriously if you cant understand that go back to 10 year old math. maybe 12 year old math for you stupid people. btw if any of you (that live in the US anyway) have not had basic algebra you are not allowed to play this game anyway because no one under the age of 13 is allowed to play according to the TOS.

btw sadly i had to have my 7 year old nephew write that out for me because i cant dumb myself down to that level to explain things to morons.

it should be 7000, not 6500

read what i bolded/underlined

edit: nvm i see what ur saying.

is it 500 x 13
or (500 x 12) + (500 x 2)

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

... Are you seriously that dumb or are you playing pretend?

Let's do some really nice simple math.

Let's say a mob gives you 100 EXP. That 100 EXP right there is base EXP.

With a 2x EXP event, that mobs gives you 200 EXP. Why? Because it's two times the base EXP. As in, 100 multiplied by 2. As in 100 x 2.

Holy ****, that was real hard mathematics, wasn't it?

I'm no genius, but a 2x event is 2x base EXP which is the same as 200% EXP which is the same as two times the normal amount of EXP.

Are we getting anywhere yet?

tbh, i have played other mmorpgs and 2x exp was 2x exp not some a+b.. But then again, i have never saw any official GM announcement about it. I understand about what u talking but as i stated before it should be not like this. The thing is that PWI dont care. How this cannot be called scam? u buy Esotericas, HE and expect that they do what they are for. But they give far less exp and u cannot find out why cuz there is no official explanation from GMs. But why would they? This way is more attractive for potential customers and if u feel scammed u can always send a ticket

Airyll - Dreamweaver

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary wrote: »

tbh, i have played other mmorpgs and 2x exp was 2x exp not some a+b.. But then again, i have never saw any official GM announcement about it. I understand about what u talking but as i stated before it should be not like this. The thing is that PWI dont care. How this cannot be called scam? u buy Esotericas, HE and expect that they do what they are for. But they give far less exp and u cannot find out why cuz there is no official explanation from GMs. But why would they? This way is more attractive for potential customers and if u feel scammed u can always send a ticket

No no no no.

I'm not even going to try explaining once again why they haven't scammed you. You're too narrow minded to even accept that you assumed something that was completely wrong and apparently you really cannot read what I've posted.

Because if you actually understood anything I had said you would realise that no you haven't been scammed, yes the event is working fine and no PWE has done nothing wrong.

/facepalm

I'm going to leave this thread now and hope it dies. The stupidity is beyond ridiculous.

esotericsoul

I've seen a lot of threads over the years...but I have to say, this whole discussion and back-and-forth is one the first that made me laugh out loud!

Reminds me of a story...

Little Johnny returns from school, and he says he got an "F" in arithmetic.
"Why?" asks his father.
"The teacher asked me: How much is 2x3? I said 6," replies Little Johnny.
"But that's right!" says his father.
"Yeah, but then she asked me: "How much is 3x2?"
"What is the ***ing difference?!?" asks his father.
"That is what I said!" answers Little Johnny.

b:laugh

VilkasPilkas - Sanctuary

Airyll - Dreamweaver wrote: »

No no no no.

I'm not even going to try explaining once again why they haven't scammed you. You're too narrow minded to even accept that you assumed something that was completely wrong and apparently you really cannot read what I've posted.

Because if you actually understood anything I had said you would realise that no you haven't been scammed, yes the event is working fine and no PWE has done nothing wrong.

/facepalm

I'm going to leave this thread now and hope it dies. The stupidity is beyond ridiculous.

well calling others stupid and ignoring simple facts doesnt make u any better. As u can see we arguing about same thing and i dont see why u cant understand this. My point isnt something i just have found in Mars. As i stated above there were no annoucements how exp will be calculated. So calling me stupid does not prove your point or deny mine.