Wine prices wrong?

FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
edited January 2010 in General Discussion
An fb69 wine costs 393k from npc and you need 40 mats for it(10 of each)that means 1 mat= almost 10k?So it's cheaper to make wine with mats bought for 8-9k which is double than what they costed before.Wow this is great!...not
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  • Snow_Flake - Raging Tide
    Snow_Flake - Raging Tide Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    If the info about the price you provided is true,
    Players will sell their mats at about 9k-10k at the very least b:surrender

    It's another way to sink coins or gather coins (for farmers).
    Just like a dual-edge blade >.<"
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    quick~
    everyone unite and start farming mats
    b:shocked
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  • Nastassiya - Sanctuary
    Nastassiya - Sanctuary Posts: 483 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I am suddenly glad i have a large stockpike of mats to sell..
    but I'm also afraid lol!
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  • Snow_Flake - Raging Tide
    Snow_Flake - Raging Tide Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    quick~
    everyone unite and start farming mats
    b:shocked
    Nuuu!!! >.<"
    Hamsta, you shouldn't have revealed my evil plan to farm mats by myself b:infuriated

    Now I'd have more competitors in farming b:shedtear
  • Smobo - Heavens Tear
    Smobo - Heavens Tear Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You`re acting as if the GMs made it law to sell your wine at the NPC price...
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  • Snow_Flake - Raging Tide
    Snow_Flake - Raging Tide Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    It's not the GMs =)
    It's the players.
    Who would want to sell mats at 3k-5k when they could worth at least 9k? o.o?
  • Reivi - Sanctuary
    Reivi - Sanctuary Posts: 742 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Smobo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You`re acting as if the GMs made it law to sell your wine at the NPC price...

    most players being more than greedy, the NPC prices will be the reference.
    I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.

    Rules= Know your enemy (players and NPCs) gives you more chances to survive.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Snow_Flake - Raging Tide wrote: »
    It's not the GMs =)
    It's the players.
    Who would want to sell mats at 3k-5k when they could worth at least 9k? o.o?

    me shall foil teh ebil plan you has by selling mats @ 3k-5k MuHAHAHAHaHAHaHA
    b:chuckle
    at least until me run out of mats.
    b:sweat
    xD
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    most players being more than greedy, the NPC prices will be the reference.

    Do I understand correctly? You can buy wine from NPC without mats?b:surrender
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  • Ponza - Lost City
    Ponza - Lost City Posts: 176 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »
    most players being more than greedy, the NPC prices will be the reference.

    So if some player decides to sell wines for 400k each, it won't affect the market, but suddenly a random npc decides to sell it for 400k each, so all the players sell it for that much?

    Why do players sell citrine gem for so cheap, then? They costs MUCH for if you bought it from an npc.
  • Winddagger - Harshlands
    Winddagger - Harshlands Posts: 224 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    But think of the other side, DO you reallly think people will sell it for that much...it means rarly any sales...and they want even poor to waste there cas on there wines....

    My Server BH69 Wines 150-180k, people GO nuts for it and make farmers rich

    Lower price - Everyone buys
    High price - Rarly any sales
    TO low = Your an Idiot
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Smobo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You`re acting as if the GMs made it law to sell your wine at the NPC price...
    How much were you paying before for a bh69 wine?250k? now you pay 393k and not to a player but to an Npc.So yes this time is really GMs that rised the price of wines.
  • Smobo - Heavens Tear
    Smobo - Heavens Tear Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Do I understand correctly? You can buy wine from NPC without mats?b:surrender

    Yes but its expensive as hell.

    Seeing as you can buy wine now, there is a max price for mats. ((Assuming wine is the only use for mats)). Someone sets up a catshop undercutting the npc, otherwise no one would buy from him. Someone else comes along, and undercuts him so they buy from him. The cycle keeps going until no one would sell mats cheaper, which is what the price is now. Prices of mats should remain the same for the most part.


    If I came out with a store that sold chocolate bars at $500 each, would walmart and every other store jack their prices up to $500 to match me?
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  • Manostra - Harshlands
    Manostra - Harshlands Posts: 308 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Now you can buy wine without using mats, how can this increase the Mats Price ?

    The Supply is enough to statisfy the needs, there are plenty mats on the catshops and competetion is firce. Prices may rise for a very short time because speculations and some people taking advantages of some unreasonable fearings but after this the prics won't affected much by this feature.

    Its not like more wines are used all of sudden
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  • Winddagger - Harshlands
    Winddagger - Harshlands Posts: 224 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Manostra - Harshlands wrote: »
    Now you can buy wine without using mats, how can this increase the Mats Price ?

    The Supply is enough to statisfy the needs, there are plenty mats on the catshops and competetion is firce. Prices may rise for a very short time because speculations and some people taking advantages of some unreasonable fearings but after this the prics won't affected much by this feature.

    Its not like more wines are used all of sudden

    Exaclty My point,

    Manostra pointed out how things in our server run

    Its like chaos still -.-
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  • Mumintroll - Heavens Tear
    Mumintroll - Heavens Tear Posts: 3,393 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Smobo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes but its expensive as hell.

    Seeing as you can buy wine now, there is a max price for mats. ((Assuming wine is the only use for mats)). Someone sets up a catshop undercutting the npc, otherwise no one would buy from him. Someone else comes along, and undercuts him so they buy from him. The cycle keeps going until no one would sell mats cheaper, which is what the price is now. Prices of mats should remain the same for the most part.


    If I came out with a store that sold chocolate bars at $500 each, would walmart and every other store jack their prices up to $500 to match me?

    Ty. muchb:pleased
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    You have to wonder what's the idea behind it.

    When the mat sale came along it proved something interesting. A lot of the mats were priced higher or lower according to current market prices. (Anthracite 30 silver, Refined steel 45 silver for example) So someone in that development team is keeping a close eye on our economy....

    The devs aren't dumb, they seemingly do research a lot into their marketing, and they do keep an eye on things over here. Obviously they have some sort of reason for jacking up wine prices.
  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Smobo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Yes but its expensive as hell.

    Seeing as you can buy wine now, there is a max price for mats. ((Assuming wine is the only use for mats)). Someone sets up a catshop undercutting the npc, otherwise no one would buy from him. Someone else comes along, and undercuts him so they buy from him. The cycle keeps going until no one would sell mats cheaper, which is what the price is now. Prices of mats should remain the same for the most part.


    If I came out with a store that sold chocolate bars at $500 each, would walmart and every other store jack their prices up to $500 to match me?
    That works in a competition btwn players,when you put a standard price to that(like an npc)prices will tend to that value.Imagine if they did the same thing with gold.they put an npc that sells gold for 1 milion,do you think gold price will remain 400k or go around 900k?
  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    You have to wonder what's the idea behind it.

    When the mat sale came along it proved something interesting. A lot of the mats were priced higher or lower according to current market prices. (Anthracite 30 silver, Refined steel 45 silver for example) So someone in that development team is keeping a close eye on our economy....

    The devs aren't dumb, they seemingly do research a lot into their marketing, and they do keep an eye on things over here. Obviously they have some sort of reason for jacking up wine prices.
    I too don't think they did it on purpose but for a different erason.To me they lost contact with the game and the game's economy long time ago and they are just guessing things hoping to **** as less people as possible.
  • Smobo - Heavens Tear
    Smobo - Heavens Tear Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    That works in a competition btwn players,when you put a standard price to that(like an npc)prices will tend to that value.Imagine if they did the same thing with gold.they put an npc that sells gold for 1 milion,do you think gold price will remain 400k or go around 900k?

    Gold would remain at 400k, and would never go above 1mil. The more sources for something the cheaper it is. When you buy mats when there was 3 shops selling them, its more expensive than when there are 15 people set up. The NPC shop selling them simply puts a cap on how expensive they go.
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  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Logic is fine and everything, but Im still selling my wine for 280k each.

    edit:Yes, I mean 280k. Not 180k. More money ftw.
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Doesn't it makes any sense but we're in different servers and maybe all the good people are there and I only see jackals here.
    Still one thing:Don't make me say I told you so when for doing BH79 you'll pay 900k for wines.
  • Smobo - Heavens Tear
    Smobo - Heavens Tear Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Doesn't it makes any sense but we're in different servers and maybe all the good people are there and I only see jackals here.
    Still one thing:Don't make me say I told you so when for doing BH79 you'll pay 900k for wines.

    I do my BHs wineless for the most part. Eden is easy, brim can be done without wines fairly easily, and bh79 goes down really fast with 6 9xs who know what they`re doing.

    Also, 900k for wines in BH89 would mean tokens are over 45k ea....
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  • WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary Posts: 1,686 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Yeah, um... no.

    The idea that all sellers will automatically conspire to raise their prices to some arbitrary NPC price is an idea founded upon hysteria, paranoia and pessimism. Sure, it's a popular idea, as demonstrated by this thread, but it has no basis in reality.

    The way I make my money in this game is by under-cutting my competition and selling at the lowest price. The greed of my competition is what I take advantage of to make sure I get the most sales, and thus the most profits. When competitors come to me and try to ask/convince/intimidate me to join them in their collusion schemes, I laugh at them, cut my prices even lower, and bankrupt them.

    The fact that there's also an NPC now competing too, at a ridiculously inflated price mind you, means absolutely nothing.
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  • Snow_Flake - Raging Tide
    Snow_Flake - Raging Tide Posts: 37 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    me shall foil teh ebil plan you has by selling mats @ 3k-5k MuHAHAHAHaHAHaHA
    b:chuckle
    at least until me run out of mats.
    b:sweat
    xD
    Me has some mats at disposal as well so me might consider to sell some b:chuckle
    Smobo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Gold would remain at 400k
    No, it won't.
    Highest gold at RT is up to 750k now =)
  • Firefeng - Dreamweaver
    Firefeng - Dreamweaver Posts: 421 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Snow_Flake - Raging Tide wrote: »
    It's not the GMs =)
    It's the players.
    Who would want to sell mats at 3k-5k when they could worth at least 9k? o.o?

    Oversaturation of the market is going to keep mat prices at their present state, I would guess. The only thing adding NPC prices did is put a ceiling on how high the mat prices can climb.
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  • Smobo - Heavens Tear
    Smobo - Heavens Tear Posts: 386 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    WarrenWolfy - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yeah, um... no.

    The idea that all sellers will automatically conspire to raise their prices to some arbitrary NPC price is an idea founded upon hysteria, paranoia and pessimism. Sure, it's a popular idea, as demonstrated by this thread, but it has no basis in reality.

    The way I make my money in this game is by under-cutting my competition and selling at the lowest price. The greed of my competition is what I take advantage of to make sure I get the most sales, and thus the most profits. When competitors come to me and try to ask/convince/intimidate me to join them in their collusion schemes, I laugh at them, cut my prices even lower, and bankrupt them.

    The fact that there's also an NPC now competing too, at a ridiculously inflated price mind you, means absolutely nothing.

    YAY! Someone else grasps the concept of suply and demand. ^^ -gives cookie-
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Firefeng - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Oversaturation of the market is going to keep mat prices at their present state, I would guess. The only thing adding NPC prices did is put a ceiling on how high the mat prices can climb.
    Mats prices were ok with 3.5-4k at best so why put a roof of 10k per mat?
    To really make it a sink coin you sell the wine at you average market price(as if they knew it)which would have been around 200k bh69 wine.This wouldn't have been fair maybe to mat farmers but with 3 bhs daily making a standard max price wouldn't have been a bad idea.
    The wine request is the same...hmm I doubt that,people are farming more mats to sell but that will not take forever,the mat sale was a breath of air and I'm sure without it would have been a real shortage on mats in a week or 2.But a stable economy stands on it's own doesn't needs sales to breath.Of course sales means zen charge so Pwi wins there.
    Edit on wine and mats price:Of course they haven't gone up now since they are still on sale...obvious.Let's talk after.
  • AlbireoTwo - Lost City
    AlbireoTwo - Lost City Posts: 2,056 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Now Im selling it at 230k each. Im guessing it will be back to normal price soon. Only thing thats keeping it up high is the lack of afk cat shops.
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  • FranzKafka - Dreamweaver
    FranzKafka - Dreamweaver Posts: 345 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Smobo - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    YAY! Someone else grasps the concept of suply and demand. ^^ -gives cookie-
    So then why any free market state has rules and regulations?There is a reason why they don't leave it to competition,supply and demand.Because prices would get inflated without control,that's why you put a roof.Point is you don't put a roof that is twice the actual price market,that makes no sense if not telling others anything near that is ok.
    Take a real life example:Banks can't ask interest above 25% because that would be usure(spell ?not english speaker so),but if you check most banks go up to 24.5% and that legal.For that a high interest is there a difference for you?No but becasue of that a high roof it's legal and very used.

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