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Zikai - Heavens Tear wrote: »I find it very easy to just BB on lv60 mp pots. Every 10 seconds, the pot gives you 1k+ mana, and every 5 seconds, you loose 500 mana for BB, so just keep clicking the pot after each cooldown and your BB will never end... unless you run out of pots xP
i have enough pots for 5 gold charms...but i use those only for BB
also it gets on my nerve when the whole squad agroes and i start BBing then they yell at me... wtf....after that i break BB they die and i somehow escape... then i just laugh at them -.-
lol i agree that repeairs are rubish but.... suck what up o.o?Why do barbs always QQ about repair costs, but when BM's tank they don't should be another question.
Seriously, even tanking a full bh69 is like 10-15k repair for me with a good squad. I call bs on this high repair bill rubbish. All melee classes have this problem. Suck it up, honestly.Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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The way i see it, it's not all in the 'fail squad'. New race so many have rerolled a sin or psy for one of the plausible reasons.
Second would be in the BH system where most players (clerics) want to do it fast and cheap. So making a squad with randoms is usually a bad idea, since most dont talk or answer any questions, so it's hard to coordinate 3 runs.
Ofc fail squads are one of the reasons to, but you cant label it like that always.
About costs. For clerics, bh should be really cheap, with a semi good squad you should not be forced to use up any unnecessary MP unless you dont want to.
So in fact tanks do have the highest cost.b:dirty0 -
Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »About costs. For clerics, bh should be really cheap, with a semi good squad you should not be forced to use up any unnecessary MP unless you dont want to.
So in fact tanks do have the highest cost.
At certain levels I would agree, but the 100+ BH's I can assure you Clerics suffer a huge cost in MP on a few of them. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Alyyy - Sanctuary wrote: »i have enough pots for 5 gold charms...but i use those only for BB
also it gets on my nerve when the whole squad agroes and i start BBing then they yell at me... wtf....after that i break BB they die and i somehow escape... then i just laugh at them -.-
WTF Would they have to yell about? I bet I know exactly what part you're talking about because squads I went with would end up getting itchy. We normally had a kick **** barb who could pull the mobs. We didn't have a veno most of the time. But they wouldn't wait and pull all the damn archers and pyro guys. BB would be up and party lived. As a cleric you are given skills like that to keep stupid parties alive. It's like getting pissed at the tanking barb for using ream.
Also you have to understand, you are talking about mp costs of what? 1-1, 1-2, 2-1? Those, yes can be potted, there are some others that can't though.Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »About costs. For clerics, bh should be really cheap, with a semi good squad you should not be forced to use up any unnecessary MP unless you dont want to.
So in fact tanks do have the highest cost.
And I wasn't talking BH, I was talking TT.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Estuary - Heavens Tear wrote: »Also you have to understand, you are talking about mp costs of what? 1-1, 1-2, 2-1? Those, yes can be potted, there are some others that can't though.
And I wasn't talking BH, I was talking TT.
All HH/TT's can be done with pots/without a charm. ijs[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »At certain levels I would agree, but the 100+ BH's I can assure you Clerics suffer a huge cost in MP on a few of them. b:surrender
Eh...then i am not looking forward higher levels b:shockedEstuary - Heavens Tear wrote: »
And I wasn't talking BH, I was talking TT.
Who says i was talking to you O_x?b:dirty0 -
Estuary - Heavens Tear wrote: »WTF Would they have to yell about? I bet I know exactly what part you're talking about because squads I went with would end up getting itchy. We normally had a kick **** barb who could pull the mobs. We didn't have a veno most of the time. But they wouldn't wait and pull all the damn archers and pyro guys. BB would be up and party lived. As a cleric you are given skills like that to keep stupid parties alive. It's like getting pissed at the tanking barb for using ream.
idk... the bms started yelling at me dont bb <.<...
b:surrenderi personaly like dmg reduction and the heal lol
im telling you... oracle squads o_o... they curse me!
>_> but seriously...
EDIT: i meant only 3 or so pots lol...Clerics are like cops...they always seem to be around.....until you actually need one b:surrender - DeadRaven
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lol i hate barbs who ask for repairs at the end no1 forced him/her to come b:angry his/her own choice for his/her own benefit plus theres sometimes a fail barb or two who ask repairs when they didnt tanked.
back there couple weeks ago barb lost agro on qianji i tanked n he asked for repairs (good thing i dont rpk or he will be dead) b:angry[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
reason why there may be less clerics:
1)We often get blamed for everything that goes wrong.
2)Some people are intolerant of charmless-clerics. And we can't always afford them.
3)In dungeons if solo cleric, we run greater risks since we don't get the nice 90% exp recovery cause we can't res ourselves. So, we want to make sure we have a truely good squad. This means we squad with the people we know best.and bro...fyi this isn't a story.
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Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »reason why there may be less clerics:
1)We often get blamed for everything that goes wrong.
2)Some people are intolerant of charmless-clerics. And we can't always afford them.
3)In dungeons if solo cleric, we run greater risks since we don't get the nice 90% exp recovery cause we can't res ourselves. So, we want to make sure we have a truely good squad. This means we squad with the people we know best.
join me squads in teh future. b:beg
b:sin
me are willing to suicide to keep clerics alive, me can provide 5k mp pots to cover quite a bit of your mp cost (but not all) and don't care if you be uncharmed.
b:victory
except me can't do much if you somehows drop dead or we end up getting party wiped.
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DrunkWizard - Lost City wrote: »lol i hate barbs who ask for repairs at the end no1 forced him/her to come b:angry
I have no opinion either way about barbs asking for repairs.. however I read alot of QQ about how hard it is getting to find em to do squad runs (oh hey, just like clerics hence this whole thread... what a coincidence) and I suspect its attitudes just like the quoted post that contribute just as much as fail squads to not being able to find whatever piece of your squad you need... be it barb or cleric... b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
It's like critical hits. Everyone remembers their big hits, not their average damage. A barb gets into a fail TT squad which doesn't do enough damage, so each boss takes 15-20 minutes to kill. At the end he's got a 80k repair bill._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »Why do barbs always QQ about repair costs, but when BM's tank they don't should be another question.
Seriously, even tanking a full bh69 is like 10-15k repair for me with a good squad. I call bs on this high repair bill rubbish. All melee classes have this problem. Suck it up, honestly.
From then on, every time the topic of repair costs comes up, he will mention that 80k repair cost. The fact that it was from a poor group will be quickly forgotten. So a repair cost that represents the 1% worst case gets talked about 80%-90% of the time.0 -
Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »reason why there may be less clerics:
1)We often get blamed for everything that goes wrong.
2)Some people are intolerant of charmless-clerics. And we can't always afford them.
3)In dungeons if solo cleric, we run greater risks since we don't get the nice 90% exp recovery cause we can't res ourselves. So, we want to make sure we have a truely good squad. This means we squad with the people we know best.
b:surrender Our party wiped twice on our way to Zimo and I had to go to town both times to res every one QQ
And yet, I will probably still continue to suffer letting myself join random squads because they're quicker to get together than my friends or faction members...
I would just like to ask if everybody could be a decent player and make these random squads quality squads b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I love to aggro 5 mobs on the way to qianji if the cleric would walk to close to the to-skip-group.
Love it even beter if I'd stay alive than b:victory.
I think that's why I don't see that kinda probs verry often. Or it could be that somehow, I've not see that many fail squads lately (last time was in BH39. But that was fail squad after fail squad after, you guesed it, fail squad)9 out of 10 voices in my head say I'm not crazy... the 10th is singing the music of tetris0 -
All the good Clerics only squad with friends now because of bad squads
All the fail Clerics also only squad with friends now, since their friends know they fail and can accomadate.
So pretty much they are all hibernating0 -
Bh squads... fail? Really? Geez I'm glad I only go with my guildies. This is a shocking revelation to me.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Dizzy - Lost City wrote: »Bh squads... fail? Really? Geez I'm glad I only go with my guildies. This is a shocking revelation to me.
let meh join you~
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lol~
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Solandri - Heavens Tear wrote: »It's like critical hits. Everyone remembers their big hits, not their average damage. A barb gets into a fail TT squad which doesn't do enough damage, so each boss takes 15-20 minutes to kill. At the end he's got a 80k repair bill.
From then on, every time the topic of repair costs comes up, he will mention that 80k repair cost. The fact that it was from a poor group will be quickly forgotten. So a repair cost that represents the 1% worst case gets talked about 80%-90% of the time.
I've done some horribly fail-squad runs that have destroyed my charm and given me massive repair bills, but I've never taken it into account with other squads I join. I just avoid fail squads the moment I recognize them.0 -
maybe it's because they decided to only BH with friends to avoid fails. make some cleric friends or join a faction, it will do you good.
you have no idea how badly a BH, or anything, can go wrong until you run with some failures. it's like being in a guild shelters you and when you step outside into the occasional random BHs, it goes unimaginably wrong in ways you never thought possible.
there are squads that take forever because they afk for long periods of time, there are people that don't know how to pull, there are people that don't know how to heal etc etc
my facmates recently ran into this:
winer asks for wine money, then logs off. the ****er just logs off and never comes back. granted his guild lead later showed up and paid my facmates back, which was really nice, that's something that makes you less inclined to do random BHsElena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
Legerity: *drags you back* *stains your hands with said affair*
Elena Costel: Noooo... I don't want to have a dirty affair with Lady Legerity...
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Kephras - Heavens Tear wrote: »And/Or they get sick of random fail-squads?
This.
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Magicgabe - Lost City wrote: »3)In dungeons if solo cleric, we run greater risks since we don't get the nice 90% exp recovery cause we can't res ourselves. So, we want to make sure we have a truely good squad. This means we squad with the people we know best.
Well maybe us clerics should ask for oracles to compensate for that 90% of the exp when a someone in a squad messes up and gets us killed. lets see at my level i lose 2% of 3.4 mil so 68,000 exp so 4 oracle II's 15k each will do. b:chuckle
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I never make BH squads with my guildies. The reasons are very simple:
1) Everybody is too high level: I always want the same level players as I am
2) Too easy if 8x soloes
3) Where's all the fun when everybody knows their job
Really, I see no point in doing faction BH runs. I have time, and I enjoy watching fail squads. I have my Cloud Sprint and soon my Will to run away. I can never grab aggro so I don't have to worry. And, at these levels, the EXP lost isn't much because most clerics have their Revive nearly maxed.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
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Maragon - Dreamweaver wrote: »Well maybe us clerics should ask for oracles to compensate for that 90% of the exp when a someone in a squad messes up and gets us killed. lets see at my level i lose 2% of 3.4 mil so 68,000 exp so 4 oracle II's 15k each will do. b:chuckle
just kidding for all those who will flame about this post
lawls, I wouldn't mind asking, but guessing that if there is a certain squad member that just absolutely sucks, I doubt they'd have the means in giving me a scroll to compensate for their **** ups. b:chuckle
Unless you look at it from a different angle. Maybe they don't know how to play their avatar at their level because they've oracled too much? In that case, gimmie one please for causing my death b:thanks[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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same here.....infact today was the worst bh run ever.(bh51) we finished it after like 5 hrs and jstu cause i was tired of screaming what to do and elt them....they died and came back and listened actually.....really if i knew that i'd use that method sooner......well and i did some mistakes aswell(not today tho) like when i get too low hp i am sued to force stealth ...its just a mechanism....well i had low hp...got stealth and voila.....my squad had the aggro.....barelly survived.....point is mistakes are there to learn of them and i sure do that^^. sometimes its funny like i was with a cleric killing rankar......he aoed me for 1.7k71.9k dmg.....i had 1.8k hp....lol i died....got revieved and died instantly cause exactly at that time he usd aoe.....and that was like 4 times in a row.....so in the end it is kidna fun to squad randomly...but sometimes its rly a pain.Really, I see no point in doing faction BH runs. I have time, and I enjoy watching fail squads.0 -
I see the way this is going...All other classes can fail except for the cleric...yeah.
Don't blame me for failure when you are burning through your pots/charms by spamming IH on someone that doesn't even need healing and letting someone who actually has aggro take beatings. Or getting 2 hit by deciding to Plume Shot a mob before Barb/BM takes its aggro.
Point is, clerics aren't exempt from fail BH squads. I lost count of how many times I died while tanking Polearm in absence of a Barb because the cleric(s) never bothered to purify me and I end up getting blamed for being a fail tank.
BHs are so easy that even a fail squad can complete them even with a wipe or two. It's from BH69 that players get their reflex tested. There will be utter fail BMs, Barbs, Wiz, Venos, Archers, Clerics, Sins, and Psychics. Just that clerics have it easier than the rest to get in squad in or out of faction so they don't need to rely on one or the other.0 -
b:angry I am sick of clerics sounding like stuck up little sissies...whine whine whine yes there are bad squads; yes there is lots of MP use, but this silly little god complex thing we have going here isn't that flattering, no matter how good you are and how much *everyone* else fails.
To the OP- I find as you get higher up in level people get more established with their friend groups and do less with random squads, but I haven't noticed fewer clerics as a whole.
And to other clerics: fail squad, just leave or deny rezzes. QQing is not becoming b:bye0 -
Rillien - Heavens Tear wrote: »And to other clerics: fail squad, just leave or deny rezzes. QQing is not becoming b:bye
And Clerics are not immune to the fail syndrome no matter how much they like to think they are0 -
hemoglobin wrote: »well you know what if the clerics are sick of fail squads and dont want to squad with randoms then maybe all classes should go on strike and there will be no more bh squad!
and another thing, this is a solo based game people so do you really expect squads to be perfect?
Actually yes. Everyone wants their BH done, so they should at least not fail so damn much.0 -
Well, let's think about this logically...
1. Many times, clerics get yelled at when somebody dies, because OH NOES they lost EXP and OH NOES they ran into 50 million monsters they shouldn't have done and OH NOES they couldn't tank them all!
How dare that cleric not keep them alive because they were stupid and make ridiculous mistakes and the cleric couldn't keep up with them!
2. This treatment of clerics has increased with the influx of oracles and the noobs that come with them.
3. I've seen clerics get yelled at when they do do everything right. Clerics are a class hated on by a lot of people - even if the cleric themselves is one of the best clerics on the server. Some random jackass will still yell at them and mistreat them, etc. etc.
Did you ever think maybe clerics are getting sick of being treated worse than dirt in a random squad? I know all of my cleric friends now squad in faction and friend only squads - a squad where people not only know how to play their class but know that, no, not everything is the clerics fault, and also know that, yes, clerics have emotions too.
For the clerics that aren't doing this.... they're probably levelling other characters.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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