So whats the point of the new classes

PurpleBomber - Dreamweaver wrote: »

I'm not so sure why your targeting me you must have a good explanation but i really don't care.

If a guy only gives hes opinions on a class and hes get bashed this much jeez, talk about making a thread.

Like i said before I'm giving my 2cents on what to do in pvp. Unless you have some sure fire way to deal with every class using a psy cause you sound very experienced.

A question where did you get the idea that pve servers don't have good pvpers. Just because they stay in a pve server doesn't mean they don't know how.

Also you may continue bash and tear me to pieces if you wish but im not in the type throw a sissy cuss fight with people, you may continue though "O great goddess of pvp and knowledge".

That's right, I hail from a PVE server doesn't mean I know nothing of strategizing. I play enough DD classes to know. What i can do and what i cannot do.

I'm not gonna bother with you any longer.

Disturb Soul increases the cooldowns of the person you cast it on. By 53% at level 1, 80% at level 10. This is not a buff as some person misunderstood it, it basically means that the victim will take 53% more time to cast their spells for 12 seconds.

edit : And by the way Glodia, you do sound supaangry against the class itself, not the noob-oracle-players that play it. You can find that kind of player in any class as far as I know, and you keep taking anybody's point that might be in favor of Psychics - even those who are in no way saying we are totally overpowered - and bash them. You can argue all you want, we do have perks and we do have flaws, repeating our flaws and denying our perks over and over again is not gonna prevent the oracles noob from playing, as most of them don't even bother reading those threads.

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Yes, from less than 50 to full on my wiz with up to date glacial barrier.

I have crafted life powder which is much more important in case of emergencies.

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I think I have stated clearly that I Have mana regen cape On Top of + Mag eq.

And FYI, I can kill 12-13 mobs if I waited a bit, but usually at 11 mobs maxed.

When I solo grind, I finish off a target and went to next without 40 secs delay, hence 11 mobs maxed.

I wouldn't call your DPS phenomenal as there are 2 other classes than can do higher dps at a faster rate.

This is also the reason why I'm bashing your idealistic claims on the class. You are not the best among casters, neither are you the best DD, in which your claims seems to indicate on how 'phenomenal' your dps is. Or perhaps, 'Stellar' would be a better word?

You suffer the pitfalls on mana like any other casters, except you are not able to regen at a faster rate, unless you stack mana regen gears.

So therefore, I am bringing you down back to earth because clearly, psys are not as good as you make it out to be.

If you are that good, everyone would want a psy in their squad for RB, zhenning.

Edit: Yes, while regening mana on my mage takes shorter time to fully regen, without poping mana pots or whatever food you need to waste which translate to higher cost to gain that efficiency.

Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »

Maybe the noobness shown by these people comes from them being.... new to the class? Or dd classes in general!?!?! b:shocked

It's been less than a month, you can't just expect ever player to be great at the new classes considering the fact that they are both dd's while all of the other classes aren't. If the player comes from a higher level char, the chances are that that higher level char is not a dd and they might not know they need to watch for agro by not spamming skills; same goes for completely new players who just saw psychics and decided to make one. I say psychics because so far i haven't found sins being able to steel agro very easily =P


And just a little point i want to throw in..... ever class has more than its fair share of players who just..... aren't that good... There are plenty of arcane barbs/archers/bms running around. As well as heavy clerics calling themselves paladins and swinging hammers(thankfully i haven't seen many of those since the expansion)... And that is just their stat setup, not even mentioning their use(or non-use) of skills...

Agreed. His/her outlook is that all of us are bad.

I know the class, and I'm not new to DDs. We are NOT the patron saint class either. Its just the fact that she tries to push out every negative aspect known to man, while leaving little, if nothing, to be desired in the positive section.

And as it turns out.. I am decently funded "alt." It just has to do with the fact that anyone can do it. I don't spend real money on the game very often, if at all. I think in my entire time playing, HERE since release... $100 or so?

The Psychic is a great class. Its fun, challenging on certain aspects, but it makes the player rise to try harder. If thats all your concerned about here is "oracle noobs" then take that **** elsewhere. I for one, didn't use oracles, maybe thats why I actually know how to play the class?

Or... People don't put enough time into their class to learn proper skill combos, grinding techniques, or techniques used for other aspects of gameplay.

The class has its perks, as well as downfalls.

Our major downfall is having a VERY difficult time w/ melee classes.

And to the poster earlier, about White Voodoo making you useless. LOL.

I get just about 1/2 atk power. Now if you were to actually THINK about it. Your DPS would be about the same, because you would not need to stop and wait between casts as much, if at all. When I use white voodoo, I almost never have to worry about pulling agro, but I am doing a consistent amount of DPS regardless. Stop trying to think you know it all, and actually think about what your saying. Lower general dmg, does not = less DPS for a DD. It means we can sustain our casting for longer period of time w/o as much fear to pull agro.

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

At last, we know how the great psys claiming to do phenomenal damage works, they were funded.

My intention is to bring out the truths on why some psys claims their damage to be low and while some , like our psy here, did phenomenal damage.

What these people do not know is our great psy has actually above average gear (that includes weapon ' + '). But people who do not know that they need to spend cash or lotsa coins to get decent, eventually left this class.

To be honest, psy is one of classes that needs lotsa coins to purchase that next level of weapon. I saw 4 mil for an orb used in lvl 60s. Add another mil to it, I could have a Dragon bow +3 / +4.

Also, lack of cheaper alternatives has lead to people stop lvling their psys. Have you noticed those posting here are usually alts of a main?

Mizouni (mage went psy) is just one of them.

What I wanna see is that you great psys with all the gear and weapon '+sing' to tell newcomers of what to expect. It's not gonna be cheap to refine a weapon to match or exceed the damage of a mage alone.

Oracle noobs or plain noobs chain casting.... I do not see any difference in them..tbh.

They are not listening.... doing stuff they want... getting killed or getting clerics killed.... tbh... I see that way too much during lower lvls.

I still saw some in 50s range, doing what I said earlier. In 60s, nope. In 70s I met a psy Selador, at least he is controlling his casting.

He hangs back and only cast when mob hp is at 50%.

I do not hate psys or sins... to me, they are just another class. It's the ones that claims this and that without telling people the truth behind it that irks me (perhaps to maintain superiority over other psys).

Alright, now we are on a level of agreement. Though I would not say my gear is spectacular. I wear mostly TT gear, and my weapons come from the weapon token quests (i've gotten lucky and got every mold so far). +2 to any item is rather easy. 30 celestones for me, = all gear +2 (Which is most I do until 90+)

But yes I agree, there are alot of psys giving us all a bad name. I won't claim we are the best class, we certainly are not. But we are fun to play, and with the right amount of effort, they can be funded and played rather easy.

Nice to see we come to an agreement. I was just a bit frustrated on the negative outlook to the class.

have u guys been ganked by 2 psys about ur lvl?? in my point of view, we are pvp classes, im 54 psy with lvl 22 wep, i hit 600-700-800 on a barb 70+

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you need a better weapon.... trust me.... at least the lvl 43 Soul drill.

>_< His point seemed to be that even with the lowlevel weapon he was still doing considerable damage on a barb, that + the fact that psy's have super fast casting = pretty good pvp class.....



And: O.o you have to spend money to be a decent psy?! This is news to me.... my and my friends psy are both epic so far and we have spent $0 equipping them.... Besides, you get plenty of mirage stones leveling up, and one of the coming of age quests give you some aid in refining....
And even without a refined weapon psy damage is impressive =P Though maybe that changes at much higher levels... i wouldn't know since i don't oracle and it isn't my main...

Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »

you need a better weapon.... trust me.... at least the lvl 43 Soul drill.

Just before you get over enthusiastic about doing 6-800 dmg on a barb... Barbs have a TON of hp. Not to mention, that dmg does not go up much later on. We are highly weak vs a barb. We take alot of dmg, even with White Voodoo.

600-800 dmg on a barb, is honestly like hitting 200 dmg on any other class.

Our major strength lies in destroying casters. I've yet to meet an equally lvled(And even some higher lvled) caster who can beat me in a duel.
Wiz, Cleric, and Veno, EASILY fall. Archers I have a little bit of a time with, but can be beaten. BMs and Barbs, I have yet to find one I can beat (That isn't an under-equipped player).

I think in TW, we will be a force to be reckoned with. Not a replacement of any sorts, but definitely a force to be reckoned with.

EvilVisage - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Just before you get over enthusiastic about doing 6-800 dmg on a barb... Barbs have a TON of hp. Not to mention, that dmg does not go up much later on. We are highly weak vs a barb. We take alot of dmg, even with White Voodoo.

600-800 dmg on a barb, is honestly like hitting 200 dmg on any other class.

Our major strength lies in destroying casters. I've yet to meet an equally lvled(And even some higher lvled) caster who can beat me in a duel.
Wiz, Cleric, and Veno, EASILY fall. Archers I have a little bit of a time with, but can be beaten. BMs and Barbs, I have yet to find one I can beat (That isn't an under-equipped player).

I think in TW, we will be a force to be reckoned with. Not a replacement of any sorts, but definitely a force to be reckoned with.

attack at 28 meters from the barb, with aqua impact (slow), and just run and spamm nukes, have u tried this? if u dont kill him, ull be wasting their charm wich is better because he is losing rl money

@Kimbley: u got the point ;p