So whats the point of the new classes
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PurpleBomber - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'm not so sure why your targeting me you must have a good explanation but i really don't care.
If a guy only gives hes opinions on a class and hes get bashed this much jeez, talk about making a thread.
Like i said before I'm giving my 2cents on what to do in pvp. Unless you have some sure fire way to deal with every class using a psy cause you sound very experienced.
A question where did you get the idea that pve servers don't have good pvpers. Just because they stay in a pve server doesn't mean they don't know how.
Also you may continue bash and tear me to pieces if you wish but im not in the type throw a sissy cuss fight with people, you may continue though "O great goddess of pvp and knowledge".
That's right, I hail from a PVE server doesn't mean I know nothing of strategizing. I play enough DD classes to know. What i can do and what i cannot do.
I'm not gonna bother with you any longer.0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »Hi Magickrap, thanks for posting krap. Reported for twisting my words. b:bye
lol dibby dobber
waaaahhhhhhh
im gonna tell on you0 -
Disturb Soul increases the cooldowns of the person you cast it on. By 53% at level 1, 80% at level 10. This is not a buff as some person misunderstood it, it basically means that the victim will take 53% more time to cast their spells for 12 seconds.
edit : And by the way Glodia, you do sound supaangry against the class itself, not the noob-oracle-players that play it. You can find that kind of player in any class as far as I know, and you keep taking anybody's point that might be in favor of Psychics - even those who are in no way saying we are totally overpowered - and bash them. You can argue all you want, we do have perks and we do have flaws, repeating our flaws and denying our perks over and over again is not gonna prevent the oracles noob from playing, as most of them don't even bother reading those threads.Risingson - 7x Psychic
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Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »This is not flaming, correct me if I am wrong Mods.
I'm pointing out the pit falls of this class while you are trying to paint an idealistic view of it. All they are trying to do is defend a class that you are saying isn't worth playing..... Just because it has yet to receive it's endgame skills doesn't mean they are painting an idealistic view of it.... the truth is that this class, as well as sins, are great dders....
I seriously hope that you can prove to People on how wrong we are... Unless you get new skills, or by miracle, you demon and sage skills allows you be better than any class. O.o why on earth would you get sage/demon skills that make you better than "any other class"? As it is you're already strong at both pve and pvp(>_< I've one-shot myself on a psy due to soulburn)
Maybe the noobness shown by these people comes from them being.... new to the class? Or dd classes in general!?!?! b:shockedGiodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »But however, alot of Psys that I see, took the instance as if they are solo- grinding and went on to attack mobs without barbs first getting aggro.
It's usually they die, or the barb is competent enough to get back the aggro. It's things like this that makes other classes angry as it might wipe the squad.
Usually clerics will not be healing the psy just in case the psy dies and it will be clerics turn.
How advices turned to deaf ears and soon history repeats itself at the boss. These incidents shouldn't even be happening if the psy simply did what you did or follow our advice.
Not every psy is bad, arrogant and a nub. But these bunch are certainly bringing the class down as oracle noobs.
It's been less than a month, you can't just expect ever player to be great at the new classes considering the fact that they are both dd's while all of the other classes aren't. If the player comes from a higher level char, the chances are that that higher level char is not a dd and they might not know they need to watch for agro by not spamming skills; same goes for completely new players who just saw psychics and decided to make one. I say psychics because so far i haven't found sins being able to steel agro very easily =P
And just a little point i want to throw in..... ever class has more than its fair share of players who just..... aren't that good... There are plenty of arcane barbs/archers/bms running around. As well as heavy clerics calling themselves paladins and swinging hammers(thankfully i haven't seen many of those since the expansion)... And that is just their stat setup, not even mentioning their use(or non-use) of skills...0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »Yes, from less than 50 to full on my wiz with up to date glacial barrier.
I have crafted life powder which is much more important in case of emergencies.Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »I think I have stated clearly that I Have mana regen cape On Top of + Mag eq.
And FYI, I can kill 12-13 mobs if I waited a bit, but usually at 11 mobs maxed.
When I solo grind, I finish off a target and went to next without 40 secs delay, hence 11 mobs maxed.
I wouldn't call your DPS phenomenal as there are 2 other classes than can do higher dps at a faster rate.
This is also the reason why I'm bashing your idealistic claims on the class. You are not the best among casters, neither are you the best DD, in which your claims seems to indicate on how 'phenomenal' your dps is. Or perhaps, 'Stellar' would be a better word?
You suffer the pitfalls on mana like any other casters, except you are not able to regen at a faster rate, unless you stack mana regen gears.
So therefore, I am bringing you down back to earth because clearly, psys are not as good as you make it out to be.
If you are that good, everyone would want a psy in their squad for RB, zhenning.
Edit: Yes, while regening mana on my mage takes shorter time to fully regen, without poping mana pots or whatever food you need to waste which translate to higher cost to gain that efficiency.Kimbley - Harshlands wrote: »Maybe the noobness shown by these people comes from them being.... new to the class? Or dd classes in general!?!?! b:shocked
It's been less than a month, you can't just expect ever player to be great at the new classes considering the fact that they are both dd's while all of the other classes aren't. If the player comes from a higher level char, the chances are that that higher level char is not a dd and they might not know they need to watch for agro by not spamming skills; same goes for completely new players who just saw psychics and decided to make one. I say psychics because so far i haven't found sins being able to steel agro very easily =P
And just a little point i want to throw in..... ever class has more than its fair share of players who just..... aren't that good... There are plenty of arcane barbs/archers/bms running around. As well as heavy clerics calling themselves paladins and swinging hammers(thankfully i haven't seen many of those since the expansion)... And that is just their stat setup, not even mentioning their use(or non-use) of skills...
Agreed. His/her outlook is that all of us are bad.
I know the class, and I'm not new to DDs. We are NOT the patron saint class either. Its just the fact that she tries to push out every negative aspect known to man, while leaving little, if nothing, to be desired in the positive section.
And as it turns out.. I am decently funded "alt." It just has to do with the fact that anyone can do it. I don't spend real money on the game very often, if at all. I think in my entire time playing, HERE since release... $100 or so?
The Psychic is a great class. Its fun, challenging on certain aspects, but it makes the player rise to try harder. If thats all your concerned about here is "oracle noobs" then take that **** elsewhere. I for one, didn't use oracles, maybe thats why I actually know how to play the class?
Or... People don't put enough time into their class to learn proper skill combos, grinding techniques, or techniques used for other aspects of gameplay.
The class has its perks, as well as downfalls.
Our major downfall is having a VERY difficult time w/ melee classes.
And to the poster earlier, about White Voodoo making you useless. LOL.
I get just about 1/2 atk power. Now if you were to actually THINK about it. Your DPS would be about the same, because you would not need to stop and wait between casts as much, if at all. When I use white voodoo, I almost never have to worry about pulling agro, but I am doing a consistent amount of DPS regardless. Stop trying to think you know it all, and actually think about what your saying. Lower general dmg, does not = less DPS for a DD. It means we can sustain our casting for longer period of time w/o as much fear to pull agro.Got fish?0 -
EvilVisage - Heavens Tear wrote: »Agreed. His/her outlook is that all of us are bad.
I know the class, and I'm not new to DDs. We are NOT the patron saint class either. Its just the fact that she tries to push out every negative aspect known to man, while leaving little, if nothing, to be desired in the positive section.
And as it turns out.. I am decently funded "alt." It just has to do with the fact that anyone can do it. I don't spend real money on the game very often, if at all. I think in my entire time playing, HERE since release... $100 or so?
The Psychic is a great class. Its fun, challenging on certain aspects, but it makes the player rise to try harder. If thats all your concerned about here is "oracle noobs" then take that **** elsewhere. I for one, didn't use oracles, maybe thats why I actually know how to play the class?
Or... People don't put enough time into their class to learn proper skill combos, grinding techniques, or techniques used for other aspects of gameplay.
The class has its perks, as well as downfalls.
Our major downfall is having a VERY difficult time w/ melee classes.
And to the poster earlier, about White Voodoo making you useless. LOL.
I get just about 1/2 atk power. Now if you were to actually THINK about it. Your DPS would be about the same, because you would not need to stop and wait between casts as much, if at all. When I use white voodoo, I almost never have to worry about pulling agro, but I am doing a consistent amount of DPS regardless. Stop trying to think you know it all, and actually think about what your saying. Lower general dmg, does not = less DPS for a DD. It means we can sustain our casting for longer period of time w/o as much fear to pull agro.
At last, we know how the great psys claiming to do phenomenal damage works, they were funded.
My intention is to bring out the truths on why some psys claims their damage to be low and while some , like our psy here, did phenomenal damage.
What these people do not know is our great psy has actually above average gear (that includes weapon ' + '). But people who do not know that they need to spend cash or lotsa coins to get decent, eventually left this class.
To be honest, psy is one of classes that needs lotsa coins to purchase that next level of weapon. I saw 4 mil for an orb used in lvl 60s. Add another mil to it, I could have a Dragon bow +3 / +4.
Also, lack of cheaper alternatives has lead to people stop lvling their psys. Have you noticed those posting here are usually alts of a main?
Mizouni (mage went psy) is just one of them.
What I wanna see is that you great psys with all the gear and weapon '+sing' to tell newcomers of what to expect. It's not gonna be cheap to refine a weapon to match or exceed the damage of a mage alone.
Oracle noobs or plain noobs chain casting.... I do not see any difference in them..tbh.
They are not listening.... doing stuff they want... getting killed or getting clerics killed.... tbh... I see that way too much during lower lvls.
I still saw some in 50s range, doing what I said earlier. In 60s, nope. In 70s I met a psy Selador, at least he is controlling his casting.
He hangs back and only cast when mob hp is at 50%.
I do not hate psys or sins... to me, they are just another class. It's the ones that claims this and that without telling people the truth behind it that irks me (perhaps to maintain superiority over other psys).0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »At last, we know how the great psys claiming to do phenomenal damage works, they were funded.
My intention is to bring out the truths on why some psys claims their damage to be low and while some , like our psy here, did phenomenal damage.
What these people do not know is our great psy has actually above average gear (that includes weapon ' + '). But people who do not know that they need to spend cash or lotsa coins to get decent, eventually left this class.
To be honest, psy is one of classes that needs lotsa coins to purchase that next level of weapon. I saw 4 mil for an orb used in lvl 60s. Add another mil to it, I could have a Dragon bow +3 / +4.
Also, lack of cheaper alternatives has lead to people stop lvling their psys. Have you noticed those posting here are usually alts of a main?
Mizouni (mage went psy) is just one of them.
What I wanna see is that you great psys with all the gear and weapon '+sing' to tell newcomers of what to expect. It's not gonna be cheap to refine a weapon to match or exceed the damage of a mage alone.
Oracle noobs or plain noobs chain casting.... I do not see any difference in them..tbh.
They are not listening.... doing stuff they want... getting killed or getting clerics killed.... tbh... I see that way too much during lower lvls.
I still saw some in 50s range, doing what I said earlier. In 60s, nope. In 70s I met a psy Selador, at least he is controlling his casting.
He hangs back and only cast when mob hp is at 50%.
I do not hate psys or sins... to me, they are just another class. It's the ones that claims this and that without telling people the truth behind it that irks me (perhaps to maintain superiority over other psys).
Alright, now we are on a level of agreement. Though I would not say my gear is spectacular. I wear mostly TT gear, and my weapons come from the weapon token quests (i've gotten lucky and got every mold so far). +2 to any item is rather easy. 30 celestones for me, = all gear +2 (Which is most I do until 90+)
But yes I agree, there are alot of psys giving us all a bad name. I won't claim we are the best class, we certainly are not. But we are fun to play, and with the right amount of effort, they can be funded and played rather easy.
Nice to see we come to an agreement. I was just a bit frustrated on the negative outlook to the class.Got fish?0 -
EvilVisage - Heavens Tear wrote: »Alright, now we are on a level of agreement. Though I would not say my gear is spectacular. I wear mostly TT gear, and my weapons come from the weapon token quests (i've gotten lucky and got every mold so far). +2 to any item is rather easy. 30 celestones for me, = all gear +2 (Which is most I do until 90+)
But yes I agree, there are alot of psys giving us all a bad name. I won't claim we are the best class, we certainly are not. But we are fun to play, and with the right amount of effort, they can be funded and played rather easy.
Nice to see we come to an agreement. I was just a bit frustrated on the negative outlook to the class.
Actually, it's the majority of psys (that I see) that made me negative as time goes by.
You are very lucky on the molds, I have only gotten the lvl 22 mold and nothing else except mirages..... Since Gluttonix, I have not lvled this psy.
It is a fun class to play, be it solo-ing and especially on grinding where it can make mobs killing go so much faster (Even if you do not have -channeling gear). You are like the Robe Archer ..doing - pew pew on mobs, because your channeling is already faster than most mag classes.
Also, if you did that lvl 151 coming of age quest chain, you should have 5 tienkang stones (I think) and you can use it for refines, better than wasting more mirages right?
I will probably be going back to my LA mage after archer. Somehow, it's easy to grind and I can kill 20 -25 mobs (of same level) on 1900+ mp, with Unicorn +2/ Wind and clouds +30 -
have u guys been ganked by 2 psys about ur lvl?? in my point of view, we are pvp classes, im 54 psy with lvl 22 wep, i hit 600-700-800 on a barb 70+0
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Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »you need a better weapon.... trust me.... at least the lvl 43 Soul drill.
>_< His point seemed to be that even with the lowlevel weapon he was still doing considerable damage on a barb, that + the fact that psy's have super fast casting = pretty good pvp class.....
And: O.o you have to spend money to be a decent psy?! This is news to me.... my and my friends psy are both epic so far and we have spent $0 equipping them.... Besides, you get plenty of mirage stones leveling up, and one of the coming of age quests give you some aid in refining....
And even without a refined weapon psy damage is impressive =P Though maybe that changes at much higher levels... i wouldn't know since i don't oracle and it isn't my main...0 -
I feel irresponsibly powerful at times, when I'm in bh29 and doing 2k per hit on qingzi with a -57 attack lv, and almost 5k with black voodoo. I just got the lv43 mold weapon and all it takes is one crit (with my 1% chance) or one attack too many to get branded as a noob :P
Its hard to tell sometimes if it would be better to attack more often with damage nerfed or attack slowly with dmg up to not get aggro. As it is I feel like I'm attacking too little to really be of use half the time, but at least I don't get aggro, and heal/buff between attacks.
Then, every once in a while, I get to squad with a lv98 herc veno and the gloves get to come off b:angryI Aim To Misbehave0 -
Giodia - Heavens Tear wrote: »you need a better weapon.... trust me.... at least the lvl 43 Soul drill.
Just before you get over enthusiastic about doing 6-800 dmg on a barb... Barbs have a TON of hp. Not to mention, that dmg does not go up much later on. We are highly weak vs a barb. We take alot of dmg, even with White Voodoo.
600-800 dmg on a barb, is honestly like hitting 200 dmg on any other class.
Our major strength lies in destroying casters. I've yet to meet an equally lvled(And even some higher lvled) caster who can beat me in a duel.
Wiz, Cleric, and Veno, EASILY fall. Archers I have a little bit of a time with, but can be beaten. BMs and Barbs, I have yet to find one I can beat (That isn't an under-equipped player).
I think in TW, we will be a force to be reckoned with. Not a replacement of any sorts, but definitely a force to be reckoned with.Got fish?0 -
KoudelkaMorg - Heavens Tear wrote: »I feel irresponsibly powerful at times, when I'm in bh29 and doing 2k per hit on qingzi with a -57 attack lv, and almost 5k with black voodoo. I just got the lv43 mold weapon and all it takes is one crit (with my 1% chance) or one attack too many to get branded as a noob :P
Its hard to tell sometimes if it would be better to attack more often with damage nerfed or attack slowly with dmg up to not get aggro. As it is I feel like I'm attacking too little to really be of use half the time, but at least I don't get aggro, and heal/buff between attacks.
Then, every once in a while, I get to squad with a lv98 herc veno and the gloves get to come off b:angry
We always do a large amount of dmg. It starts to steady out, at about lvl 60. Regardless of which, Wiz do about the same amount of dmg. It all comes down to how you play, and whether you want to sustain your dmg a bit, and continue to pound, or if you want to drop bombs, but stand there half the time. If you have some food, or pots, or a charm. It won't hurt to spam away. Otherwise, go all out.Got fish?0 -
EvilVisage - Heavens Tear wrote: »Just before you get over enthusiastic about doing 6-800 dmg on a barb... Barbs have a TON of hp. Not to mention, that dmg does not go up much later on. We are highly weak vs a barb. We take alot of dmg, even with White Voodoo.
600-800 dmg on a barb, is honestly like hitting 200 dmg on any other class.
Our major strength lies in destroying casters. I've yet to meet an equally lvled(And even some higher lvled) caster who can beat me in a duel.
Wiz, Cleric, and Veno, EASILY fall. Archers I have a little bit of a time with, but can be beaten. BMs and Barbs, I have yet to find one I can beat (That isn't an under-equipped player).
I think in TW, we will be a force to be reckoned with. Not a replacement of any sorts, but definitely a force to be reckoned with.
attack at 28 meters from the barb, with aqua impact (slow), and just run and spamm nukes, have u tried this? if u dont kill him, ull be wasting their charm wich is better because he is losing rl money
@Kimbley: u got the point ;p0 -
fail barbs with pdeff ornaments arent even worth fighting.. get some decent geared barb vs u and come back here ...
QUAOTE : Its hard to tell sometimes if it would be better to attack more often with damage nerfed or attack slowly with dmg up to not get aggro. As it is I feel like I'm attacking too little to really be of use half the time, but at least I don't get aggro, and heal/buff between attacks.
barb aggro gets better when the lvls rise ... not so much of a problem later on ... just same as wiz and arch0
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