3x BH+CS vs. Oracle
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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »I can tell you the BH100's are a pain.
^ Of this I have no doubt, but I (and correct me if I'm wrong here) don't think its going to be the lvl100's that are spamming the bh's... its going to be the 30-50/60 crowd..
but.._DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »BH's are insanely easy. Guys, stop pretending you're gonna become pro dropping a few elites and a boss with the exact same stupidly predictable attack pattern, in a PvE instance over and over. Cause you aren't. Barb learns what tanking is, clerics learn iornheart iz gud and venos learn how to pull...big whoop.
Pwi PvE is ridiculously easy, and BH aren't really an exception. Yes you learn basic squad skills, but basic skills mean nothing. Spamming BH all day, there's so much you miss out on learning about. Wait till a few weeks when large guilds start becoming full of BH spammers who don't have a clue and get thrown into TW...and you'll see what I mean.
^ Seph sorta hit the nail on the head there as to what I was originally talking about
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I would actually rather squad with a bunch of people who regularly do BH than those who just quest and grind. BH gives good "real" experience, you learn the instance and your role in squad, etc.
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Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »^ Of this I have no doubt, but I (and correct me if I'm wrong here) don't think its going to be the lvl100's that are spamming the bh's... its going to be the 30-50/60 crowd..
100's spam BH alot, it's how we make money b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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@ darkseph - if pve is so easy, why are so many people so bad it?
I was one of two clerics who could solo heal my fist/axe bm friend for cenequus polearm in 69. He couldn't even stay alive in other squads with TWO clerics healing.
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »100's spam BH alot, it's how we make money b:cute
b:surrender Have done 1-2 in the past few weeks...LOL.
But I know many that are the same way as many of us are working on our Tideborns and going to Nirvana instead of BH's. However, with the new system and the need for Nirvana keys, maybe many of us here will start doing again. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I've used oracles, and people have constantly complimented me on my skills in teams as well. Using oracles doesn't stop you understanding how to play your job correctly, but people will continue to generalise everyone who does as idiot players who have no idea what their role in a group is.
There may well be players out there who literally do nothing but oracle (people who lack social graces, but I digress), but I highly doubt they're in the majority of oracle users. I'm willing to bet that a strong proportion regularly quest in BH and similar missions too. As well as running their usual FB's and cultivation quests where squads are usually more requirement than option.
I find theres an equal amount of bad players who do nothing but grind on mobs for XP as those who speed-level using oracles and plenty who regularly run quests in squads and still fail to play their job properly yet have never touched an oracle. Stereotypes die hard though, and as long as people maintain this strange idea that using oracles make you useless in a team people will continue to get flak for using them.0 -
Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »People are going to be so poor from wine costs and leveling so quickly that by the time they farm their gear for a particular decade of levels, they will need the next set.
it is my thoughts that that is the devs reasoning for this less in game coin would cause more ppl to use gold to get their gear so more money for them $.$[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »BH's are insanely easy. Guys, stop pretending you're gonna become pro dropping a few elites and a boss with the exact same stupidly predictable attack pattern, in a PvE instance over and over. Cause you aren't. Barb learns what tanking is, clerics learn iornheart iz gud and venos learn how to pull...big whoop.
Pwi PvE is ridiculously easy, and BH aren't really an exception. Yes you learn basic squad skills, but basic skills mean nothing. Spamming BH all day, there's so much you miss out on learning about. Wait till a few weeks when large guilds start becoming full of BH spammers who don't have a clue and get thrown into TW...and you'll see what I mean.
by this level whatever you do to get over the exp gaps after questing is fair game lol. however, when you're lower level, unwined BH are not "ridiculously easy" yet. you have no idea how much can go wrong until you end up with a suck squad.
besides, large guilds are filled with 80+ and 90+, they leveled on BH, CS, WQ, Frost, Rebirth, and Cube anyway. it's not like there's much else to do to get exp at these levels you know. high level play on PvE server is mostly routines and social interactions.
you have to make a distinction between oracling at high levels and oracling to high levels. in conclusion i just have this advice: do some ******n quests.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Does BH help you to learn your role in a squad?
no, not for everyone
ive seen a lot of people doin BH only for the XP and relying on the others to achieve the "common goal" (and blame the group if there is an error ^^ OFC )
those are the ones i wont squad with again
finding good squads is becoming harder.
Oracles arent a bad thing in themselves, if you have the money it will help you finish a level quicker than grinding..
But leveling only on oracles doesnt gives you the handle of the character, you ll have to learn at high level what others discovered at low level.. ( being high level meaning that you will put squads in awkward positions, till you learn how to play well..... )
BH were introduced when i was finishing my 8x (88 or 89) it sure helps a lot, and make reaching the higher levels easier, but that doesnt mean its the only option you have for leveling - You can chose to level slower and do other things.; or farm for certain things.. ( demonol/.purgatol anyone??? )
but . the only thing that counts .; is are you happy with the game?, with its content? with the different options it gives you ?I look at all the trollers, and Pvpers.. and know they wouldnt have lasted 30sec on Camelot.
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Reivi - Sanctuary wrote: »Does BH help you to learn your role in a squad?
no, not for everyone
it seems that "the day that GOD (b:chuckleraises hand in favour of evolution theoryb:bye) distributed BRAIN packs" some of that people was playing hide and seek[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »oracle baby: killing 1 mob over and over needing no skill at all besides knowing how to click.
bounty baby: learning your role in a squad fighting different bosses.
hell yeah bowlin's got it oracle noobs just know how to hit something they know nothing about how to work in squads. Especially if its a new class.0 -
Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »oracle baby: killing 1 mob over and over needing no skill at all besides knowing how to click.
bounty baby: learning your role in a squad fighting different bosses.
good definitions right here.Q - How to win on Perfect World?
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XHappyBunnyx - Sanctuary wrote: »good definitions right here.
While I do agree with that, it is only to a point.... getting 3xBH in one day, what are the odds its gonna send you to 3 different instances? People are gonna squad, clear (or wine) it then one will stay behind to hold it while the rest run back, turn in collect, return then vice versa....
Running an instance in a squad once to get 3 BH kills..... the idea of learning your role... only on 1/3 of the runs... hence it sorta seems to me to be very close to the idea of the oracle....
..but I guess its just me.. b:surrender[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
you could. yes kill the same boss each time.. but that doesnt mean the party is going to do exactly the same thing over and over or even have the same party to go with. For the most part.. we did the same bosses almost every day before.. now its just 3 times in a day. Sure we got a different boss once and awhile, but anyone who has done BH alot knows you'll get one boss alot more often than the others.
Edit btw.. my psychic learned to tank today in BH lol so meh.Q - How to win on Perfect World?
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Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »Yes, we all make mistakes.. I don't care if you are lvl30 or lvl100, somewhere along the way while running through an instance everyone has accidentally aggro'd something, or made a bad pull or whatever.... it just seems that when it happens now, all the other "I'm so pro" squad members start to complain about how they hate working with an "oracle abusing *insert bad term here*".. having no real clue about how anyone other than themselves actually reached any lvl.. it is just assumed that anyone who makes the smallest of errors gets the label of "oracle baby"..
that is not always the case, I have agroed things when ninja'ing and mostly we laugh about it and kill em. maybe soem friendly teasing but no one complains, we just do what needs to be done. I have had a tank die in brim did he complain? nope in fact I was probably more upset about it then he was. I think that once you get to the 80-90 range however your prepared for mistakes and know what to do if a squad member makes one.
I *have* been abused for causing a near party wipe with one of my alts in a lower bh i do blame myself for my stupidity and misjudging my charater's ability but had that been in a higher level bh it is doubtful it would have caused so many deaths. at least that is my opinion on it
I dont care if people wanna oracle bh or solo grind and never do any squad quests personally. but the problem is if you dont have variety then you are not learning everything about your class. so do some bh, do some tt, do some quests, maybe grind some see what your limits are ect, by all means use soem oracles if you can afford em[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »oracle baby: killing 1 mob over and over needing no skill at all besides knowing how to click.
bounty baby: learning your role in a squad fighting different bosses.
This.
Additionally there is the fact that we aren't paying anyone for the ability to do BH 3x a day, where the oracle n00bs are paying PWE hundreds or even thousands of dollars with real money to level a virtual character. So imo:
Oracle n00b = Someone who paid a company for the level they've obtained
Bounty Baby = A built in game mechanism in which you have to squad with others, learn how to play you're class somewhat, and do something other then point+click 1 mob for hours / days on end.0 -
lol bh noobs only occur when a hi level rushes them through it
gl finding a hi lvl to rush you through all your bhs especially later ones
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bh teaches you more than questing does btw
imo questing doesnt teach ****
remember this is pw version of quests
kill xx monsters
kinda the same as oracle0 -
Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »lol bh noobs only occur when a hi level rushes them through it
gl finding a hi lvl to rush you through all your bhs especially later ones
thread failed imo
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Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »While I do agree with that, it is only to a point.... getting 3xBH in one day, what are the odds its gonna send you to 3 different instances? People are gonna squad, clear (or wine) it then one will stay behind to hold it while the rest run back, turn in collect, return then vice versa....
Running an instance in a squad once to get 3 BH kills..... the idea of learning your role... only on 1/3 of the runs... hence it sorta seems to me to be very close to the idea of the oracle....
..but I guess its just me.. b:surrender
you seem to forget that after you BH up, you know how to act in a squad. after you oracle up, you know how to do what?
when there's nothing to learn from BHs, you just do it for the exp ya, and there would be no distinction between daily spamming and oracles. however, it's a far cry from oracling up. when someone goes 30-80 on oracles, they literally know jack ****, and have to actually play the class to learn about it.
i think we need to define oracle noob here. you do your quests, you use oracles to skip the gaps in quests and level, you turn out fine. you skip your quests, you oracle straight up, now you end up knowing nothing and need to practice before you can be acceptable in any squad-based situation.Elena Costel: I wash my hands of this affair.
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »you seem to forget that after you bh up, you know how to act in a squad. after you oracle up, you know how to do what?
*raises hand*
*jumps*
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Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »you seem to forget that after you BH up, you know how to act in a squad. after you oracle up, you know how to do what?
You know how to kill that single mob the quickest way possible and you also get to fell superior to those who don't use oracles.Executor Of Reunited ~ Level 3 ~ Level 85+ ~ No Drama, No Pressure Faction.
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Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »lol bh noobs only occur when a hi level rushes them through it
gl finding a hi lvl to rush you through all your bhs especially later ones
thread failed imo
Fail you say? maybe stop for 2 seconds and put some thought into it...
If you take a look at Raging Tide (server where I spend 100% of my time now) I can almost say with 100% certainty that higher lvl's rushing lower ones through their 3BH's is exactly what is going to happen. ATM on the server there are a handful of factions that are very concentrated on gaining a foothold on the map through TW and you must be joking if you don't think these factions are going to use (exploit?) the 3xBH system to lvl as many people in their faction as fast as they can...[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Right, because this game is so hard that it takes a genius to figure out how to play.
If I wasn't so cheap with my coins, I'd oracle myself all the way to 100.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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King_Asmodei - Lost City wrote: »it is my thoughts that that is the devs reasoning for this less in game coin would cause more ppl to use gold to get their gear so more money for them $.$0
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Oh lord, so you're complaining about a fast way to lvl up? If you dislike just don't do it, btw, bh is not that easy, in high lvls you have different instances, so if you get the first and comeback to deliver you may get a boss in another instance so you'll have to clean up or spend another wine -_-' geez and @ the third time you have the possible to come back to the first instance again! -_-' just imagine in 6x have to kill Wyern (+/- 50min with 4 ppl pt) after that zymo (if you spend wine probably NO ONE will leave the other bosses alive so, let me put here 1.5 hours) and after that wyern again? In other words you would have wasted all your day with xp/spirit farming and have no fame from regular quest, itens or even "free coins" -_-'0
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Magikrap - Lost City wrote: »lol bh noobs only occur when a hi level rushes them through it
gl finding a hi lvl to rush you through all your bhs especially later ones
thread failed imo
bh teaches you more than questing does btw
imo questing doesnt teach ****
remember this is pw version of quests
kill xx monsters
kinda the same as oracle
Just when there were no trolls.....b:coldb:spitb:dirty0
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