3x BH+CS vs. Oracle

Boozin - Sanctuary
Boozin - Sanctuary Posts: 183 Arc User
edited January 2010 in General Discussion
Yes, we all make mistakes.. I don't care if you are lvl30 or lvl100, somewhere along the way while running through an instance everyone has accidentally aggro'd something, or made a bad pull or whatever.... it just seems that when it happens now, all the other "I'm so pro" squad members start to complain about how they hate working with an "oracle abusing *insert bad term here*".. having no real clue about how anyone other than themselves actually reached any lvl.. it is just assumed that anyone who makes the smallest of errors gets the label of "oracle baby"..

So now with the 3xBH per day and CS, are "bounty babies" going to be the next class of people to get all the hate? It would seem to me that 3xBH per day is more or less the same concept... kill 1 mob, get an almost ludicrous amount of exp.. except unlike oracles everyone in the squad can get the kill and the exp.

Personally, I could care less how anyone at all gets their exp. but it would seem that there is a huge double standard between oracles and BH... oracle = okay to hate that person vs. BH = well thats okay because its a free daily..
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    oracle baby: killing 1 mob over and over needing no skill at all besides knowing how to click.

    bounty baby: learning your role in a squad fighting different bosses.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    oracle baby: killing 1 mob over and over needing no skill at all besides knowing how to click.

    bounty baby: learning your role in a squad fighting different bosses.

    ^ Agreed.

    I would rather play with someone who has knowledge of different instances then one who has knowledge of one mob.
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  • Boozin - Sanctuary
    Boozin - Sanctuary Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    I won't deny you will gain instance knowledge through BH, I guess what I was getting at is the idea that 3x BH negates the "need to quest" since it is mass exp for 1 kill and that seems to be the justification for alot of the hate you read about oracles....
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  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    oracle baby: killing 1 mob over and over needing no skill at all besides knowing how to click.

    bounty baby: learning your role in a squad fighting different bosses.

    ^^Agree 100%
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I won't deny you will gain instance knowledge through BH, I guess what I was getting at is the idea that 3x BH negates the "need to quest" since it is mass exp for 1 kill and that seems to be the justification for alot of the hate you read about oracles....

    meh, quest when the bhs are done, its not like u can do BH's endlessly like oracles.
    Theres no point to make my pwi life harder by not doing them while everyone else is, so I do them anyways.
  • Paigrande - Harshlands
    Paigrande - Harshlands Posts: 777 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Sum ppl worked hard to get to 9x but still fail so its not like oracle nabs r the only nabs. I mean, I know a massive number of players that still dont know what their class is about even though they got to 9x without oracles lol
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  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    meh, quest when the bhs are done, its not like u can do BH's endlessly like oracles.

    That too plus the amount of coins spent for wine b:shocked (It adds up)
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Aye, one of the main reason why peeps dont like high level oracle babies is cause tey do not know their place, and what the hell they should do.

    But bh is somewhat different, you live in a squad thus learn. It's better then oracle.
    b:dirty
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    That too plus the amount of coins spent for wine b:shocked (It adds up)

    wines are optional. ijs :P
  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    wines are optional. ijs :P

    True..but time is a luxury I can't afford. b:surrender I can't spend 1-2 hours in an instance just to kill a boss. Especially instances like BH69 and BH79.
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    True..but time is a luxury I can't afford. b:surrender I can't spend 1-2 hours in an instance just to kill a boss. Especially instances like BH69 and BH79.

    Zhen O_O;; Set up a Zhen pull half of the fb and watch them die....or watch your self die...what ever you prefer =P
    b:dirty
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    The 3 BH's for 40-99 just make things a little more interesting in terms of time management imo.

    Those that cannot play all day now have to manage...

    2 100+ BH's, marriage, cs
    3 7x BH's, cs, wq, cube, marriage


    And this does not include the days in which their are events.....b:surrenderb

    Sooooo much to do so little time for those of us that work full-time andor are full-time students....b:sad
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  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

    Sooooo much to do so little time for those of us that work full-time andor are full-time students....b:sad

    ^cause of this i wonder how you ever reached lv101^

    Share those pills i want some too b:shocked
    b:dirty
  • Boozin - Sanctuary
    Boozin - Sanctuary Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    Those that cannot play all day now have to manage...

    2 100+ BH's, marriage, cs
    3 7x BH's, cs, wq, cube, marriage

    b:shocked Sounds like you need someone to invent the 36hr day b:surrender
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  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Zhen O_O;; Set up a Zhen pull half of the fb and watch them die....or watch your self die...what ever you prefer =P

    b:shocked Zhen half of the fb that sounds crazy that it might work...i wish i had a great squad though that can do it b:surrender.
  • Elenacostel - Heavens Tear
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear Posts: 2,822 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    People are going to be so poor from wine costs and leveling so quickly that by the time they farm their gear for a particular decade of levels, they will need the next set.

    I'm more worried that all the clerics and tanks will too busy for other things, like TT runs.
  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ^cause of this i wonder how you ever reached lv101^

    Share those pills i want some too b:shocked

    Give me some too b:sad
  • Boozin - Sanctuary
    Boozin - Sanctuary Posts: 183 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Elenacostel - Heavens Tear wrote: »

    I'm more worried that all the clerics and tanks will too busy for other things, like TT runs.

    ^ dreadful side effect I can also see coming down the pipe.... b:sad
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  • Iseria - Harshlands
    Iseria - Harshlands Posts: 216 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes, we all make mistakes.. I don't care if you are lvl30 or lvl100, somewhere along the way while running through an instance everyone has accidentally aggro'd something, or made a bad pull or whatever.... it just seems that when it happens now, all the other "I'm so pro" squad members start to complain about how they hate working with an "oracle abusing *insert bad term here*".. having no real clue about how anyone other than themselves actually reached any lvl.. it is just assumed that anyone who makes the smallest of errors gets the label of "oracle baby"..

    So now with the 3xBH per day and CS, are "bounty babies" going to be the next class of people to get all the hate? It would seem to me that 3xBH per day is more or less the same concept... kill 1 mob, get an almost ludicrous amount of exp.. except unlike oracles everyone in the squad can get the kill and the exp.

    Personally, I could care less how anyone at all gets their exp. but it would seem that there is a huge double standard between oracles and BH... oracle = okay to hate that person vs. BH = well thats okay because its a free daily..

    oracle doesnt require any work (well real life work so as to pay the billsb:chuckle) just mashing keys on a low level mob while the levels fly. even he can do it:
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    3xBH means either collecting wine maths 3 times, or going through the whole FB working as a team killing mobs. You have to earn that reward.

    note: using Bird while being AFK might be mistaken for botting.
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    ^ dreadful side effect I can also see coming down the pipe.... b:sad

    Actually not really b:quiet i am getting richer cause of bh's.
    I dont play that often, but i mange my time so that
    1)I can farm mats
    2)do some leveling
    3)do some fun

    So only the ones with "i wanna pwn" syndrome will suffer, the rest should be fine b:surrender
    b:dirty
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    ^cause of this i wonder how you ever reached lv101^

    Share those pills i want some too

    Lol....tbh it was a pain but not hard to level to 101...but keep in mind I did not have the BH's till in my mid 9x's b:sad

    It used to be -->

    Do ALL Quests
    7x Zen parties
    8x Spammed FB's
    9x LOTS of HH, some Rebirth, some 3rd map grinding, dailies
    Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    b:shocked Sounds like you need someone to invent the 36hr day

    b:chuckle.....I work hard and those who know me know that I have VERY little down time while in-game...sometimes I even have a cue of things waiting to be done and people who need help but on my main and on my alt b:surrender
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  • Elviron - Dreamweaver
    Elviron - Dreamweaver Posts: 812 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Boozin - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Yes, we all make mistakes.. I don't care if you are lvl30 or lvl100, somewhere along the way while running through an instance everyone has accidentally aggro'd something, or made a bad pull or whatever.... it just seems that when it happens now, all the other "I'm so pro" squad members start to complain about how they hate working with an "oracle abusing *insert bad term here*".. having no real clue about how anyone other than themselves actually reached any lvl.. it is just assumed that anyone who makes the smallest of errors gets the label of "oracle baby"..

    So now with the 3xBH per day and CS, are "bounty babies" going to be the next class of people to get all the hate? It would seem to me that 3xBH per day is more or less the same concept... kill through 1 tough instance where you have wandering elite mobs and a boss as the target to complete the quest, get an almost ludicrous amount of exp.. except unlike oracles everyone in the squad can get the kill and the exp.

    Personally, I could care less how anyone at all gets their exp. but it would seem that there is a huge double standard between oracles and BH... oracle = okay to hate that person vs. BH = well thats okay because its a free daily..

    Fixed it for you b:victory
  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    The 3 BH's for 40-99 just make things a little more interesting in terms of time management imo.

    Those that cannot play all day now have to manage...

    2 100+ BH's, marriage, cs
    3 7x BH's, cs, wq, cube, marriage


    And this does not include the days in which their are events.....b:surrenderb

    Sooooo much to do so little time for those of us that work full-time andor are full-time students....b:sad

    DFT x 10 x-x i only have like 1 hour spare time on weekdays as it is after the old dailies
  • Nelae - Heavens Tear
    Nelae - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,490 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    Lol....tbh it was a pain but not hard to level to 101...but keep in mind I did not have the BH's till in my mid 9x's b:sad

    It used to be -->

    Do ALL Quests
    7x Zen parties
    8x Spammed FB's
    9x LOTS of HH, some Rebirth, some 3rd map grinding, dailies



    b:chuckle.....I work hard and those who know me know that I have VERY little down time while in-game...sometimes I even have a cue of things waiting to be done and people who need help but on my main and on my alt b:surrender

    This is kinda my point, you had no BH's and yet reached high level. (and massive post count Q_Q)

    b:embarrass sometimes i am ashamed of my level, bugged a friend to join PWi and in few months he has 4 alts almost all lv80. And idk how, we go to same college and i know that he has maybe even less time to spare X_X
    b:dirty
  • GohRaL - Sanctuary
    GohRaL - Sanctuary Posts: 883 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    ok...


    1ST: big Q_Q for me
    ive spent quite a bit of time to post my reply on previous post on oracles, and after i wrote all i think of, i posted it...

    the fact is that spoon has closed that thread cuz of OFF-TOPIC discussion and stuff, and now ive lost all ive wrote b:cry



    BTW

    my point in short was this:

    u can oracles ur **** out all the way from 30 to 100 (b:shocked), and is fine for me as long as u can play ur character the way it should be played...


    just pay attention not to fall into the "CARRIBEAN PIRATES syndrome" which will lead you to believe that ur the last survivor of the crew and bring you to the endless research of the black pearl which u heard has sunk down deep into the water east of Misfortune Island b:nosebleed
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  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Nelae - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    This is kinda my point, you had no BH's and yet reached high level. (and massive post count Q_Q)

    b:embarrass sometimes i am ashamed of my level, bugged a friend to join PWi and in few months he has 4 alts almost all lv80. And idk how, we go to same college and i know that he has maybe even less time to spare X_X

    Thats a good question too. I had some of my close friends play this game too and they were new to this game. I taught them many things about the game. As weeks go by they approach closer and closer to my level. It makes me wonder how do they do it. b:sad
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Thats a good question too. I had some of my close friends play this game too and they were new to this game. I taught them many things about the game. As weeks go by they approach closer and closer to my level. It makes me wonder how do they do it. b:sad

    Well, my Tideborn is almost level 80 and tbh it was SO easy this time with all the added dailies and Public Quest.

    The first time around I LITERALLY did all of my quests, joined and organized as many Zen parties (SOOOOO Underrated now in this game but the exp was amazing), invested in miji's, learned to solo grind, use Justice Orders with Wanteds with One-Man armies all at the same time.....

    I used to combine the JO's, Wanteds and One-Man Armies with quests I had to do and just spammed them.
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  • _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary Posts: 2,294 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    BH's are insanely easy. Guys, stop pretending you're gonna become pro dropping a few elites and a boss with the exact same stupidly predictable attack pattern, in a PvE instance over and over. Cause you aren't. Barb learns what tanking is, clerics learn iornheart iz gud and venos learn how to pull...big whoop.

    Pwi PvE is ridiculously easy, and BH aren't really an exception. Yes you learn basic squad skills, but basic skills mean nothing. Spamming BH all day, there's so much you miss out on learning about. Wait till a few weeks when large guilds start becoming full of BH spammers who don't have a clue and get thrown into TW...and you'll see what I mean.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    BH's are insanely easy. Guys, stop pretending you're gonna become pro dropping a few elites and a boss with the exact same stupidly predictable attack pattern, in a PvE instance over and over. Cause you aren't. Barb learns what tanking is, clerics learn iornheart iz gud and venos learn how to pull...big whoop.

    I can tell you the BH100's are a pain.

    Warsong, GV, 3-3, both fb99's....not that they are hard, but you are looking at a minimum 30-45minutes for each. b:surrender
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  • SaintDominic - Sanctuary
    SaintDominic - Sanctuary Posts: 284 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    _DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »
    BH's are insanely easy. Guys, stop pretending you're gonna become pro dropping a few elites and a boss with the exact same stupidly predictable attack pattern, in a PvE instance over and over. Cause you aren't. Barb learns what tanking is, clerics learn iornheart iz gud and venos learn how to pull...big whoop.

    Pwi PvE is ridiculously easy, and BH aren't really an exception. Yes you learn basic squad skills, but basic skills mean nothing. Spamming BH all day, there's so much you miss out on learning about. Wait till a few weeks when large guilds start becoming full of BH spammers who don't have a clue and get thrown into TW...and you'll see what I mean.

    You seem to forget that not only basic squad skills you can learn, but also survival skills. Each class will learn what to do if a mob attacks them or if a squad becomes chased by a bunch of mobs. That same concept can be put in TW. For example, if a squishy cleric gets attacked by mobs the cleric puts up plume shield and runs toward the tank for help. Of course in TW, you will be put into squads, like a stun squad guarding the base for example. Being in a BH is like being in a training simulator. The basic concepts of survival and teamwork are essential to TW.

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