Suggested HP and phys def at lvl 90+

Kawakami - Dreamweaver
Kawakami - Dreamweaver Posts: 276 Arc User
edited January 2010 in Cleric
So, anyone got any advice for me ? I'm still not interested in joining a faction for TW but I would like to know the recommended HP/phys def at the level for ordinary duel purposes. Someone suggested at least 5k hp at 90 for RB BH's but I can't be in any RB because I need my afk time when I'm playing. I have 2408 p def right now with my Yaksa ( 2032 without ), and 3112 HP ( yes it's low ) The highest gems I used are the average one's, got a few beautiful/flawless in my safe but im waiting with that after 90. I don't inject a lot of cash into this game and only have 13mil at this moment which will be rapidly spent to get my 90 gear b:surrender
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    some ppl get 100 vit just for pk purposes

    some go full mag, add pdef and refine much
    some go full mag and add hp and refine still

    some ppl go LA for pk

    and everyone will tell ya that their build is best :P


    anyway, i ve 3,8k unbufed hp and 40% phy resist (with self buff) at 91lvl and im real pure mag build and can do everything in pve: all fbs (didnt tried 99 tho ^^) all TT and solo-heal 2-3 belial too.

    one thing i didnt tried yet is delta, which may be real problem with my low stats (im not $ player unfortunately for my stats)
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  • Alantor - Dreamweaver
    Alantor - Dreamweaver Posts: 90 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    3.1K hp at your lvl is indeed very low, probably because of your under-sharding.

    Don't worry too much about it though. Get your TT90 set first, then use Flawless as MINIMUM to shard, if you can afford it, immacs are better.

    You can try to combine a bit of Pdef and HP shards. Use citrines on robe and pants , use garnet on boots and hat.

    Imo a good idea is to try to get at least a Cape of Tauran Chieftan if you don't have it yet. 250 extra Magic def is always good.

    You're talking about ordinary dueling purposes. Then wait till at least 90+ to get together your gear, combine citrines and garnets on gear, refine your RINGS to get extra Mdef on them. Try to reach 4.5K hp with that setup and you'll be fine imo.

    Btw, you can always switch from Mdef ornaments to Pdef ornaments before duelling. Depends who you're going up against ;)

    p.s. : the best build is a balanced one for cleric. You need both Pdef + Mdef and enough hp to survive duels. And skills oc.
  • Rillien - Heavens Tear
    Rillien - Heavens Tear Posts: 569 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Alantor - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Imo a good idea is to try to get at least a Cape of Tauran Chieftan if you don't have it yet. 250 extra Magic def is always good.

    Don't want to be nitpicky here, but Tauren Cheiftan isn't worth the money if you're arcane. 250 extra mdef doesn't do much to your resists. A great option for LA clerics, but +hp capes [pretty easy to find] would be much better.

    Best cape [discounting annipack stuff] is Cape of Elite Leather lvl 96 req (+250 pdef), but I'm not sure where the mold drops and it's pretty rare.
  • LloydAsplund - Sanctuary
    LloydAsplund - Sanctuary Posts: 3,899 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Tauran cape is terrible for a robe class, and overpriced. Go for regular ol' cape with 3-4 sockets, and dual/triple hp mods (+70hp/+70hp or similar). Add some p.def shards, or citrines and thats a lot cheaper/better than tauran.

    Edit: looked over your stats and 2.4k def is pretty nice, and your hp on the other hand is not great, so I would shard that cape with citrines.
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  • Kawakami - Dreamweaver
    Kawakami - Dreamweaver Posts: 276 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Thanks for the input ! I forgot to add I have 73 base vit and my refines don't go higher than +3. I also have some unfortunate crafted items which lack their maximum amount of sockets, so that's a few hundred less hp/p def. And as for cape I wanted wings of the cloudcharger ( +500p def, 10 vit and + 0.2m/s ) BUt I wasted quite some coins on the packs and still dont have it :| I guess I'll take that + hp cape then :( Thanks again.
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  • XFeRX - Harshlands
    XFeRX - Harshlands Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    i have 6,3k hp and 3k phys def own buffed b:surrender

    @lvl 93 i will get a new belt then ill have like 3300phys def

    you should get atleast 5k hp at 90
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  • VILKASS - Sanctuary
    VILKASS - Sanctuary Posts: 278 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Mine is 97 LA
    5k hp (3 base vit)
    4.7 (I think) self buffed pdef
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    5k HP and 10k pdef helps you survive more on average than a cleric with 10k HP, nuff said. A squishy with a high HP will still be as squishy.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    5k HP and 10k pdef helps you survive more on average than a cleric with 10k HP, nuff said. A squishy with a high HP will still be as squishy.

    Agreed and from personal experience!! Especially is a Cata Team Cleric.

    Right now I have (buffed) --> 8.6k HP and 9k (give or take) Pdef


    If anything do half HP and half Pdef if you do not want to choose on or the other....I did not go all Pdef till level 100 b:surrender
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    <- 4100 hp, 3,000+ phys. resist. (45% reduction) -self buffed-

    wish i had more hp qq
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    <- 4100 hp, 3,000+ phys. resist. (45% reduction) -self buffed-

    wish i had more hp qq
    get more pdef! lol
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary wrote: »
    get more pdef! lol

    <- not rich

    i have flawless garnets in almost all my gear, but my green 90 pretty much came out as all 2 socket.

    My Sky Demon Pearl Necklace is refined to +4, cant afford higher.

    Not sure what else i can do, cant afford imacs lol
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    <- 4100 hp, 3,000+ phys. resist. (45% reduction) -self buffed-

    wish i had more hp qq

    About what I had at level 90...b:surrender
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    About what I had at level 90...b:surrender

    u should send me a link of ur gear after 95/100 whenever u switched over, Im failing to understand how you 2 have like 5k more phys resist than I do.

    unless Decep has full Garnet Gems and her belt/necklace @ +8-10 <_<
  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    u should send me a link of ur gear after 95/100 whenever u switched over, Im failing to understand how you 2 have like 5k more phys resist than I do.

    unless Decep has full Garnet Gems and her belt/necklace @ +8-10 <_<
    oh man full gems b:pleased.....b:sad i wish. So far my gears +2-7 atm. I think most of mine comes from the necklace of giant strength, a lucky 3 star pdef belt with 7-8 vit, another lucky arcane hat with +69x2 and vit bonus which i refined these to +4-6 (belt and hat from AH window shopping) hence why i push others to watch the AH as well, you can get rare finds there. At the least i think you can get 6-7kdef. without spending a butt load, just need watch AH and stuff.
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  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    u should send me a link of ur gear after 95/100 whenever u switched over, Im failing to understand how you 2 have like 5k more phys resist than I do.

    unless Decep has full Garnet Gems and her belt/necklace @ +8-10 <_<

    I can send you my current gear, the same as 101 (minus a few refine upgrades). This might be better since I switched from hp to pdef at level 100.

    Right now I am all 3-4 sockets with Perfect Garnets.

    And we are talking buffed too....but I am 90% of the time fully buffed. b:cute
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    I can send you my current gear, the same as 101 (minus a few refine upgrades). This might be better since I switched from hp to pdef at level 100.

    Right now I am all 3-4 sockets with Perfect Garnets.

    And we are talking buffed too....but I am 90% of the time fully buffed. b:cute

    oh.. i thought u guys were talking just cleric buffed.

    But yea, my phys def is a little over 4.2k i think if im BM buffed, 5.5k or so hp with barb.
  • RedsRose - Lost City
    RedsRose - Lost City Posts: 12,354 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    oh.. i thought u guys were talking just cleric buffed.

    But yea, my phys def is a little over 4.2k i think if im BM buffed, 5.5k or so hp with barb.

    I'll get the calculator and you can see....can't remember what self-buffed is -.-


    OK....the numbers are still off (HP and Pdef are higher but not sure where I went wrong...I think with the 3* ring...I have 2 rings I change out for hp/vit and hp/vit/mag attack but not sure on the stats...lol) but I could not remember everything b:surrender...(QQ too much vit still...damn Cata party Cleric.......)

    Here you are....
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  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    girls, plz stop posting ur stats with evil 11 lvl buffs from other classes

    u make ur boys feel small b:surrender


    but seriously- it s bit confusing :P
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  • Ahira - Lost City
    Ahira - Lost City Posts: 791 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »
    I'll get the calculator and you can see....can't remember what self-buffed is -.-


    OK....the numbers are still off (HP and Pdef are higher but not sure where I went wrong...I think with the 3* ring...I have 2 rings I change out for hp/vit and hp/vit/mag attack but not sure on the stats...lol) but I could not remember everything b:surrender...(QQ too much vit still...damn Cata party Cleric.......)

    Here you are....

    You've used the grade 13 event helm/boots instead of the grade 14. b:chuckle
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  • Ahira - Lost City
    Ahira - Lost City Posts: 791 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    girls, plz stop posting ur stats with evil 11 lvl buffs from other classes

    u make ur boys feel small b:surrender


    but seriously- it s bit confusing :P

    Yeh i think its better just to show self buffed stats- else ur just going to keep giving Bob heart attacks! =X
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  • Deceptistar - Sanctuary
    Deceptistar - Sanctuary Posts: 10,454 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Ahira - Lost City wrote: »
    Yeh i think its better just to show self buffed stats- else ur just going to keep giving Bob heart attacks! =X

    but its amusing D:
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  • Jer - Dreamweaver
    Jer - Dreamweaver Posts: 215 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    5kHP+
    5kDefense with only your defense buff
  • Aydamn - Lost City
    Aydamn - Lost City Posts: 112 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Gimme your hp Rose >:
    I was perfectly happy with my 5k+ hp and 4.3k pdef with cleric buffs, now you've made me a sad panda. I suppose at least I have a higher matk b:avoid
  • Nrgy - Dreamweaver
    Nrgy - Dreamweaver Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Try a good ballance.
    Anything under 5kHp unbuffed, 5kpdef (self buffed) for TW,PvP is too low at lvl90+.

    Currently @ lvl96, Arcane armor :
    5800 HP -unbuffed
    5900 PDef - self buffed
    10.5 mdef - self buffed
    10k mag attck -self buffed

    PS: Dunno why my avatar shows lvl95, i've hit lvl 96 more than 4hrs ago.
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    <- has all gear refined to +4 pretty much except my belt
    weapon +7
    mixture of flawless garnets and citrines in all my gear, mostly garnets

    I cant for the love of god see how the hell u guys have that many stats without cashshopping up the wazoo

    with cleric buffs i have aprox
    7100-8000 magic atk
    4100 hp
    9k-10k mag def
    3100 phys def

    base build is:
    50 vit
    42 str
    5 dex
    rest mag
  • Paramedic - Dreamweaver
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,801 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    coz thy are misleading you - thy use 95+ gear

    topic is pointless to get info but good to show e-pen i guesse..
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  • Nrgy - Dreamweaver
    Nrgy - Dreamweaver Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Paramedic - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    coz thy are misleading you - thy use 95+ gear

    topic is pointless to get info but good to show e-pen i guesse..

    I don't see were your answer responds to topic.
    But i guess you love to troll much
    b:shutup
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  • Bowlinbob - Lost City
    Bowlinbob - Lost City Posts: 3,446 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Nrgy - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Try a good ballance.
    Anything under 5kHp unbuffed, 5kpdef (self buffed) for TW,PvP is too low at lvl90+.

    SS this using 90 gear.. then ill believe u. Only way I can see you getting all this is highly refining your gear/ putting perfect gems in.
  • Nrgy - Dreamweaver
    Nrgy - Dreamweaver Posts: 40 Arc User
    edited January 2010
    Bowlinbob - Lost City wrote: »
    SS this using 90 gear.. then ill believe u. Only way I can see you getting all this is highly refining your gear/ putting perfect gems in.

    But than i guess you at 90+ you are suggesting wearing 90 armor unrefined with average citrine in it. Good suggestion tho ....
    Nyway this is out of topic so amma let forum trolls take it from here.
    Bye
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