Best End-game weapon for venos?

Rank weapons.

tweakz wrote: »

Rank weapons.

UGH i hate the rank weapon for venos...the wizard and cleric ones look so much better...and i hate the fact its a pataka -.-

The veno rank weapon is for niche venos; one of its stats is +phys atk - useless to a large amount of venos.

How is the lunar wand crappy? Its the best weapon until you hit lvl100, not counting warsoul and rank 6. Not only that but it doesn't bind either so you can sell it off.

The Sinrabansho is the best endgame weapon for venos that you can actually get with relative ease compared to other endgame options - especially with its main TT100 mat now in the cashshop. Its followed, (in terms of overall effectiveness and achievability) by rank 8, then the tideborn upgrade analogues and finally warsoul.

I consider rank 6 to be worse then the Sinrabansho.

tweakz wrote: »

Then I'd call non niche venos as wizards that hide behind a pet. Fox form physical attacks are very useful to pure mags that aren't lazy.

Call them whatever you like, doesn't change the fact that most endgame venos remain casters at the core. Hence it being a niche weapon.

I personally think venos got screwed real good when you compare what other classes got as their rank 8 choices.

Also might I add that its a pataka; ie it has a slower hit rate then other weapons.

god nobody can give a freakin realistic answer here...

GO FOR A. wheel of denied fate, or B. wraith conqueror, both TT90 weapons. take them to their respective 99 counterpart. its the only realistic thingtolook forwards to, all these people are listing nigh impossible weapons to obtain for average players.

as for that rank 8 ****, i think that is far from a good use of the word niche.
niche: a position particularly well suited to the person who occupies it; patakas do not fall in that category; theyre slower than other weapons, they have a disgusting range on attacks, and there are plenty of other weapons that fit the position for a perfect veno weapon.

good example = lunar magic sword, perfect defensive weapon for veno

What build are you? If you are arcane, I agree with Wafflechan about the 95 lunar magic sword for the extra pdef. Wheel of denied fate is good for the magic attack, I am a Heavy/Arcane veno and my endgame is the 95 Lunar wand.

Hands down, my belief (for the general caster veno that doesnt spend much time in fox other than to debuff) the 95 lunar gold wand is the best weapon you can get. It is obtainable by nearly anyone if you save up as much as possible (no need to buy zen).

It's better than TT99 and TT100. The 95 Lunar wand refenes better than the TT100 weap so they remain pretty close in dmg output.

The only way possible i would say TT100 is better is that it costs less overall to upgrade it to nirvana gear status (230 crystals opposed to 250).

If the Gold Lunar is too rich for your blood, find a suitable TT99 weap.

(obviously warsoul, isnt being discussed)

axt57 wrote: »

The veno rank weapon is for niche venos; one of its stats is +phys atk - useless to a large amount of venos.

Doesn't matter. Even without any other bonuses, the rank 8 pataka's magic attack far out-classes any other weapon a veno can get. It's slow attack speed hinders its melee damage, but it still outclasses any other faster weapon in that role too unless you refine a lot and have a lot of interval gear.

The Sinrabansho is the best endgame weapon for venos that you can actually get with relative ease compared to other endgame options - especially with its main TT100 mat now in the cashshop. Its followed, (in terms of overall effectiveness and achievability) by rank 8, then the tideborn upgrade analogues and finally warsoul.

I consider rank 6 to be worse then the Sinrabansho.

Weapons arranged in order of ascending average magic attack (including bonuses):

923.5 - 95 lunar sword Budda's Leaf (+240 pdef, +17 vit)
923.5 - 95 lunar wand Neon Purgatory (-6% channel, +17 mag, +2% crit)
923.5 - TT99 Broken Dream (-6% channel, +205 hp, +15 vit)
923.5 - TT99 Mirage (-6% channel, +360 mp, +17 mag)
923.5 - TT99 Flame Wing (-6% channel, +205 hp, +15 vit)
994.5 - TT99 gold Heaven Ravager (+245 hp, +3% crit)
1007.5 - TT99 Scaredevil (+17 mag, +2% crit)

So if you're going for pure damage, Neon Purgatory looks best, though the TT99 Scaredevil looks good if you're willing to give up the -6% channel. That and NP being level 95 makes the NP the winner in my book. But getting to the exotics:

1068 - Sinrabansho (-6% channel, +17 mag, +4% crit)
1082.5 - Rank 6 sword Beamhoof Slicer (-10% channel)
1346.5 - Rank 8 pataka Melodic Prophecy (+77 patk, +313 pdef, +4% crit)

The rank 6 sword actually has a slight edge Sinrabansho in average damage. But its -10% channel I think is a toss-up between Sinrabansho's -6% channel, +16-17 mag, and +4% crit. The fact that you can get the rank 6 at 90 makes it the winner IMHO for the rich player. But if money and difficulty is a factor, I think Sinrabansho wins out. Yeah Sinrabansho requires getting all those souledges. But 25k rep is a PITA, and the 10 courage and strength badges are an even bigger PITA (basically require a minimum 20 weeks for City of Abominations unless you're already past level 90, at which point you may be able to do it in 10 weeks min).

In terms of melee damage, the three exotics ranked according to average patk per hit:

591 - Rank 6
659 - Sinrabansho
940.5 - Rank 8

Average patk per sec (i.e. no skills)

738.75 - Rank 6
823.75 - Sinrabansho
940.5 - Rank 8

Average patk per sec w/ -0.3 sec interval gear:

1118 - Rank 6
1318 - Sinrabansho
1343.6 - Rank 8

So if price is no object, I think it's pretty clear the rank 8 weapon is the best for magic and a strong contender at melee. Well, that and Warsoul. The Rank 6 and Sinrabansho should be able to exceed the Rank 8's melee ouput if they're all refined to a high degree (which you kinda figure they would be considering how much money you'd have to spend to get them).

All these listed so far are good choices. My opinion, the best end-game weapon will end up being that weapon you are able and willing to get on your own. Sure if you got the money/time to go for a slightly better weapon, do so by all means. Everyone needs a goal. For my money, I'll stick to the simple weapons I can afford and obtain with my skill and play the game to enjoy myself.

Thanks for listening to my 2 cents worth of rank. ^.~

My 2 choice of weps: NP or sinrabansho

Sadpuma - Heavens Tear wrote: »

In the above image you can see the 2 +10 weaps. Below you will see the default dmg for each weap along with the dmg at +10. Additional dmg is NOT an average and is calculated by subtracting the difference between the regular weap dmg and the refined weap dmg.

Neon Purgatory
Magical attack 914-933
Magical attack 1538-1557 (+10)

624 additional dmg at +10

Shinrabansho (TT100)
Magical attack 961-1175
Magical attack 1496-1710 (+10)

535 additional dmg at +10


You can see the Neon refines better. Obviously the sword has a wider range, hence a higher attack. However at +12 the difference will become even smaller, maybe exceed?? Of course if you dont plan to refine this high, then sure the TT100 is better, but definately waaay more expensive. The choice is yours

That is quite interesting; maybe wands refine better then swords; like LA armour refines better then robe, even when same grade. I wonder if patakas refine higher then both.

In any case at +10 the TT100 has better average damage, not counting the extra crit. As I am a LA veno seeking the most crit, the TT100 is a better choice for me.

I dislike patakas due to their huge damage range. As a veno pet healing is important and you need it to be consistent so you can time your debuffs and attacks, especially if you're LA (like me) and already suffering from a lower pet heal then full mgk.

Vidalaire - Heavens Tear wrote: »

What I don't get is why you're looking for HP/Vit and phys def on a weapon.

I'd prefer Vit to Crit being pure mag.

Besides your rings, there's not many other places to get extra attack, physical or magical

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Already blowing away 100+ at 95/96 doing Public Quest. Oh the outcry, and that was before my weapon went from +2 to +3. Already capable of stealing aggro from Nix as well. (Pure Mag already has sufficient power).

If we're talking full endgame here, one supposes it's worth considering what can be gotten from Nirvana--or, for that matter, with Lunar OHT weapons. Both of them are randomly adding statuses, so although risky, it could potentially produce a better combination than any of the preset ones. I'll have to wait until we have more data on the possible addons for Nirvana weapons before I say whether that seems at all feasible though. The way you can redo them if you don't like the result is nice, though. It only costs and extra 7 crystals. Plus, there are pretty much upgraded versions of each weapon discussed--ie, you can turn any TT99 gold magic weapon into "Aftermath - Nirvana" which has the same addons and grade as Neon Purgatory, but base magic attack is 1058-1079. Same with any lunar weapon.

One can imagine some seriously nice 100 OHT weapons, but it could go pretty badly too... Looking at the list of addons, http://www.pwdatabase.com/pwi/items/20397
Well, -6% chan or +3% crit, magic +17, and Phys. Res.: +264 is pretty much the better aspects of Buddha's Leaf and Neon together... Of course, you might also get Maximum Endurance +150, Accuracy +198, and Requirement -30%... Not sure how hard the mats are to farm, but just thought I'd throw the possibility in.