Sin's tactics in PvP

Mizore_P - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've also been wondering about this.But people please if you're going to make a guide i ask that you make a FULL guide not just if you have an archer and you know his skills and tactics are then you just wrote it and that's all.I would like a guide from a person that has played all/most of the classes and gotten them on high lvls and is experienced in pvp.Also would be good to make a guide for pvp lower lvls.But please don't start making guides everyone like you did with assassins guides.No im not saying those guides were bad im just saying that we should leave this to experienced people and they should take their time making a full fledged guide. b:surrender

knowing how to pvp properly really requires experience, you can have the best pvper telling you how to pvp and yet if you can't judge other classes hp and there damage and if you can't time your skills right then you'll just get squished

Mizore_P - Sanctuary wrote: »

Exactly!So i think we should be patient wait for experienced players to read this topic and maybe they will start making a guide b:pleased

you missed my whole point, even if someone writes a guide it is not going to help that much

you actually need the experience yourself to get the feel of your hot keys and the timing of your skills, and knowing how much damage your skills do to different targets and knowing how much certain skills hit you for


knowing what skills to use in what order is much different than actually using them

My assassins still in his 20's so i dont have much pk experience yet b:chuckle. However, I was on my veno yesterday and saw a red assassin flying over sanc. I thought 'why not?' and attacked them. Quick breakdown of what happened:

-I stun with my nix and bleed while I ironwood/lucky scarab
-Assassin drops from the sky as charm ticks, purifying the bleed, and forcing into stealth.
-I vaguely remember something about stealth lvl being able to camoflauge up to 20 lvls higher (meaning that the assassin is at least 70/80+)
-I hover over the spot i saw him dissapear for 5 seconds going 'wtf'
-I start typing out a taunting pm. Before im done, he appears behind me, stuns me, does the amp damage attack, and kills me in four shots.
-I'm still hovering going 'wtf'

I check my damage logs later and find that i critted on my ironwood/lucky scarab, over 9 k damage, not counting lvl 5 nix bleed. All i did was tick his charm, whereas he managed to completely destroy me. Granted, i didnt have a charm on at the time and was unbuffed, but I was in my heavy armor set (+2 sharded lvl 79 mold).

Assassins ftw b:surrender

_Lyra - Lost City wrote: »

My assassins still in his 20's so i dont have much pk experience yet b:chuckle. However, I was on my veno yesterday and saw a red assassin flying over sanc. I thought 'why not?' and attacked them. Quick breakdown of what happened:

-I stun with my nix and bleed while I ironwood/lucky scarab
-Assassin drops from the sky as charm ticks, purifying the bleed, and forcing into stealth.
-I vaguely remember something about stealth lvl being able to camoflauge up to 20 lvls higher (meaning that the assassin is at least 70/80+)
-I hover over the spot i saw him dissapear for 5 seconds going 'wtf'
-I start typing out a taunting pm. Before im done, he appears behind me, stuns me, does the amp damage attack, and kills me in four shots.
-I'm still hovering going 'wtf'

I check my damage logs later and find that i critted on my ironwood/lucky scarab, over 9 k damage, not counting lvl 5 nix bleed. All i did was tick his charm, whereas he managed to completely destroy me. Granted, i didnt have a charm on at the time and was unbuffed, but I was in my heavy armor set (+2 sharded lvl 79 mold).

Assassins ftw b:surrender

highly doubt you crit him for 9k. SS plx

Nagamorph - Harshlands wrote: »

Well, I've thought about using Thunderstorm(genie skill) for those barbs but with their high hp... dunno if that does any difference.b:surrender

might work on bms but unless you have a really good genie i'm pretty sure thunderstorm can't hit ~55-60% of a barbs hp

MindNurf - Harshlands wrote: »

highly doubt you crit him for 9k. SS plx

9k damage from my combo, not in one shot. Trying to emphasize their survivability, not my e-peen b:thanks

Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »

what level was this sin to have over 9k hp anyway?

Deaden nerves + hiero + psychic buff = pvp tank

Pretty sure he was an oracler tho, so no way to tell. Didnt scope him out >.<

cauterize does =O

and i still dont know what lvl he is, tho i sincerely doubt he has 9k hp. Nevertheless, he can take 9 k damage over a combo and still keep going. I'd say thats impressive for a LA

uhh once a sin dies doesnt that mean all the DoT and stuff go away? Cuz technically he died o-o
So deaden nerves takes off the bleed?
(idk im a noob x-x) just a guess

Pretty sure that anyone that got an assassin to pk is going full dex tho.

With ironwood doing 1.8k on the first shot and nix bleed (estimating it at 1k per tick, doesnt show up in logs) not ticking his hiero, he probably popped a pot when he saw the bird coming. Cauterize. Lucky crits for 3.7k, which shouldve bypassed his charm. I'm assuming deaden nerves kicked in here and just made it tick instead. Venomous auto-procs on my combo (stupid move i know, but i thought id win in two shots >.<) and luckily crits for 3k. Lucky wheres off and he goes into stealth. Factoring in the hiero and pot, he could have as little as 4k hp. Which would be 8x?

Just an example of how deaden nerves changes the role of spike damage. Instead of forcing the charm to tick before you really unload, you have to completely bypass the charm and tick deaden nerves instead. Then you can kill them. One shots are completely avoidable. Two shotting is possible, but even more difficult then one shots used to be as you have to completely outdamage their hp TWICE. Without being able to completely overpower them, it'll take in excess of 4 or more shots to kill a charmed (and skilled) assassin. Bearing in mind that they can go invisible at any point in the fight, i think its safe to say that assassins are the new OP class =/

Mizore_P - Sanctuary wrote: »

Still its not that hard,ive played many mmo's and could do good in pvp with my first tries

and? you want a medal or something?

Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »

and? you want a medal or something?

I don't care who it is who writes a guide as long as he has played most of the classes and has pk exp.

Lusca - Sanctuary wrote: »

i give up trying to explain why you actually need the experience to get the timing right and knowing how much damage you can take before your charm ticks or how much you have to do to tick someone elses charm
and also every ones gear is different and most of the time you fight different people, so while a combo from personA might bypass the hp charm and kill personB the same combo used by personC might not bypass the hp charm and kill personD

and if all you want is what skills to use on what classes type of thing, hell any idiot could look at there skills and decide that x.x

So what the **** do you want?A guide that will tell you exactly what to do like move left use this skill attack with that move back do this do that if he runs hit him F you.Thats what i said 2posts back i want a guide by a experienced player and no ones gonna bother making your "perfect dream" guide

Here's a guide, it works for all classes:

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If the enemy <insert opponent class here> <insert situation here>, me as a(n) <enter class here> will <insert responsive action here>.

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Fill in the blanks and put it into practice!