Pure dex is fail? lol

isn't lion spirit helm like 80 str or so?

Helm of Lion Spirit is 80 STR - This can be worn by a pure dex at 76 itself.

Helm of Aqua Visciousness is 105 STR - This on the other hand needs tweaking :P

And somehow i find lion spirit being better than the aqua b:shocked

The aqua thingy would give you like 100 hp more and some additional water resistance (not counting the 1% dmg reduction since it really doesnt amount to much). While the Lion spirit would effectively give 8 more dex (str restatted into dex)

Fail story is your post for not considering the facts and being simple minded, specially considering the guy bothered to help you.

OHT gear req 99 str. TT99 gear needs 103. Where did you get that archers are limitted to 94 str end-game? From the bs guides in here made almsot an year ago when ppl barely hit 90? lol...
TT99 Str req is 2 points away from 105, and lets consider 4 str from the lion helm (keep in mind not all archers use lion as there are better helms around). So thats 6 points into dex that archer couldnt use. How is 6 dex gonna make a 30k crit do 63k? Its not. Lets also consider all the points from 89 to 99 that he rushed into str to use helm earlier. Its STILL not gonna make enough diference.

A - Crits dont mean highest dmg all the time. You can have lower crits and higher crits
B - Broad and smasher dont burst out special skill all the time.
C - Squad buffs
D - Heaven flame (or whatever that BM skill is claled) makes a HUGE diference
E - Genies skills
F - The mob you hit

Having that in mind, you'll rarely see your real potential, be it solo or not. Best damage is a matter of luck and timing. Im pretty sure that archer can do a whole lot more than 30k, as im sure you dont do 63k all the time.

E/nY - Sanctuary wrote: »

He helped on his own accord. So meh. And the thing that bugged me was called all pure dex archers fail. Idk if i made that my main intent here. And i know he isnt stopping there. He's adding more str for pdef as he stated himself. Would that not gimp an archer's full potential or am i wrong? And all the points made really doesnt matter. The post wasnt about how much damage i could get. And i got 94 str from i a good bit of 9x archers with tt90 gear seeing as im probably not going to get to 99/100 for OHT/TTgold/Nirvana gear. By my definiton 9x is pretty much endgame. But feel free to correct me if im wrong. I just think he couldve done some things different while still being hybrid.

Honestly... who cares. Both of your levels are too low to be of any use in tw. Builds doesn't really matter (if at all) against mobs. Matter of fact... pure pve... hybrid might actually be better cause of the extra hp.

E/nY - Sanctuary wrote: »

I have seen good hybrid builds but only with sage and it works well in delta and other instances. As far as im concerned i wont be twing. At least not on my archer. Id be interested in seeing a case of hybrid>pure in pve. Not doubting just interested.

Unless you have lvl 11 barrage... sage/demon arch in rb is essentially the same... so i am not sure where you got this from. Against mobs, an archer's damage is pretty much over kill. your not going to lose out on anything by nerfing your dmg by a few hundred. but the extra hundred of so hp will come in handy.

Essentially yes, as 25% > 22% no matter how you look at it. And 3% is more than just that, it's 60 DEX, which makes a difference. I have 4.5k HP, 105 STR (remember there is perfectly good gear that provides STR, if you don't want to pay for restat into DEX) and 385 DEX at level 87 and that works fine for me as I'd much rather get my HP from shards and refines than lose out on the thing that strongly influences my class, that being DEX and its crit, evasion, accuracy and attack benefits. Archers aren't built to be as good at tanking as barbs or to hit as hard as wizards. I agree that your highest damage is very dependent on context and situation and proves little as your ability is more determined by your average DPS output, not random crit spikes. I can't remember if you mentioned it or not but is he more geared towards PvP or PvE?

Honestly pure DEX archers don't have too much trouble in PvE and don't need to over compensate in phys. def to survive, often we can kill things quickly without getting hit at all. Hybrid works as a compromise for PvP but if you're sacrificing crit % and phys attk for a few more health points you're reducing your potential to kill enemies in less time (consequently keeping you alive), just to stand on your own feet longer. And those crits are important, if archers didn't crit at all we wouldn't be all that impressive in terms of the damage we produce over time. That said I don't think hybrid is any more fail than pure dex, it's a matter of preference, gear and how you play your character; and one bad example sheds little light on the bigger picture.

base stat builds really matter less than gear later in the game. hybrid or not with good refines you can reach 6k hp unbuffed endgame which is pretty decent.

if you really want to have good hp, invest in that ridiculous stat tome and event cape or something and pick up a Forest's Wisdom. beats what vit you'd put in otherwise

honestly i think endgame refining the **** outta your armor gives way more hp then a few more stat points ever will without gimping your dmg output to much.

archer is meant for dmg, not tanking so pure dex is the way to go imo.
in the end around lvl 100 youll get to that helmet requirement anyway.

AngleSnipe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have a hybrid archer (35 ish base vit, and 390 dex) , at 94 well over 5.3k hp unbuffed, far from cash shopping, all my items are either 3*, legendary, or TT, so none of the event capes or helmet or even heavenrage boots. Too many times have people came and said how pure dex archers own, sure they deal a tiny bit more damage, but looking at people with 4.6-4.7k hp at the same level as I am, makes me cringe when it comes to their survival, not just in PVP, but in PVE as well. I don't think any bit that my damage is lacking, and even for a hybrid archer, still rocking 26% crit rate at lv 94. Survival is pretty key for an archer, we pull agro on pretty much anything we like, and especially for the none-boss mobs, it's more convenient many-a-time for an archer to tank.

Just pointing out, but if you have 35 base Vitality, you have 390-416 more life than an mirror Archer of yourself.

So yes, those 4,600-4799 life Archers have to have worse gear or refines than you. Or you have a good 38+ base vita.

AngleSnipe - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have a hybrid archer (35 ish base vit, and 390 dex) , at 94 well over 5.3k hp unbuffed, far from cash shopping, all my items are either 3*, legendary, or TT, so none of the event capes or helmet or even heavenrage boots. Too many times have people came and said how pure dex archers own, sure they deal a tiny bit more damage, but looking at people with 4.6-4.7k hp at the same level as I am, makes me cringe when it comes to their survival, not just in PVP, but in PVE as well. I don't think any bit that my damage is lacking, and even for a hybrid archer, still rocking 26% crit rate at lv 94. Survival is pretty key for an archer, we pull agro on pretty much anything we like, and especially for the none-boss mobs, it's more convenient many-a-time for an archer to tank.

i know pure dex archers with 6k+ raw hp. im bordering on 5k cuz my gear isn't that good, but it's really gear that matters a lot more lategame

Dractonis - Lost City wrote: »

Essentially yes, as 25% > 22% no matter how you look at it. And 3% is more than just that, it's 60 DEX, which makes a difference. I have 4.5k HP, 105 STR (remember there is perfectly good gear that provides STR, if you don't want to pay for restat into DEX) and 385 DEX at level 87 and that works fine for me as I'd much rather get my HP from shards and refines than lose out on the thing that strongly influences my class, that being DEX and its crit, evasion, accuracy and attack benefits. Archers aren't built to be as good at tanking as barbs or to hit as hard as wizards. I agree that your highest damage is very dependent on context and situation and proves little as your ability is more determined by your average DPS output, not random crit spikes. I can't remember if you mentioned it or not but is he more geared towards PvP or PvE?

Honestly pure DEX archers don't have too much trouble in PvE and don't need to over compensate in phys. def to survive, often we can kill things quickly without getting hit at all. Hybrid works as a compromise for PvP but if you're sacrificing crit % and phys attk for a few more health points you're reducing your potential to kill enemies in less time (consequently keeping you alive), just to stand on your own feet longer. And those crits are important, if archers didn't crit at all we wouldn't be all that impressive in terms of the damage we produce over time. That said I don't think hybrid is any more fail than pure dex, it's a matter of preference, gear and how you play your character; and one bad example sheds little light on the bigger picture.

of all the first page post from high lvl archers that just snorted and posted almost arrogant answers, yours made the first informative post Drac

I did a test today, if i relocated the 24 something vit points into my dex, my hp drops by 350, while my max dmg is raised by 300. I guess there are the hybrid vit archers with more vit, while there are archers with vit like mine, that are still mainly pure dex, but bump a little into the vit side. IMO a little vit does not hurt, the main damaging aspect of your class is still there