did they ever throw bms a bone?

whut the heck...
since did bms have less survivability then wizards/archers.
b:sweat

Superdead - Sanctuary wrote: »

I've been gone since summer and haven't thought twice about coming back until recently.

Did they ever throw us bms a bone? Here's what I remember:

BM's were:
2nd rate health
2nd rate defense
3rd/4th rate offense
1st in number of aoe attack skills
ok at everything, but not notable in anything
most spread out (thinly I might add when I played) class with 4 separate paths to go through.

has any of this changed? Do we deal a little bit more, take a little bit more? I never expected us to be a tank, but come on, let us have a little more survivability than the archers and wizards...

Still true ;s(I think?@.@)
Idk about that one
Fists Bms= Best DPS ingame
Still true ;o

_DarkSeph_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Still same. You really have to go extremes if you want to be outstanding at anything, like going full vit if you want to have decent survivability, or high dex/str fist BM if you want to have decent damage. But full vit BM's can't hit for their lives and high DD BM's are easy one-shots for caster types.

Tell that to swordman... and a number of other pure str + dex bms.
You can get a lot of HP on your armor, while being able to use the points for dex instead of vit to be able to do a lot of damage.
BMs are melee damage dealers, plain and simple. They aren't meant to be barbs, or any other class, for a reason. It's like trying to compare a wizard and archer... they both do a lot of ranged damage, but there's many differences between them.
Also... stuns (among various other status effects and skills, did you forget about marrow? A wizard's worst nightmare ).
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wizzies can have 10k phys def at 90

bm's can have 10k maq def at 90 if they work at it

their attacks hit harder

we have more hp doe to HEAVY ARMOR REFINEMENT not because our vit gives us a huge ammount only barbs realy get a worthwile amount out of that stat

bm has stuns TE and balance

wizzies have a ranged seal and sleep anti stun and holy path geni if their smart

a bm spending = amount on thier weapon could just as easily one shot the wizzie due to = resists and their lower hp

bm's get more from dex than any class in game and a rediculous amount of skills to play with

or to put it simply a bad bm is 2nd rate at everything a decent bm is ok at one thing and a good bm is a better DD than DD's can tank like your barba spike stun debuff and generaly be hell on wheels

Kedth - Sanctuary wrote: »

Like any other class... if u are 2nd rate u are second rate. And a BM being a better DD than a pure DD class again...depends on the context. PvE wise? Hell yeah, fist BMs are great at that because of they raw DPS. PvP wise? Mhhh... no.
Try to tank a WB as a BM too, lets see if you enjoy it. Or pull a cata on TW... careful saying BMs are better tanks than barbs.

Always a matter of context. Be versatile, play smart... and enjoy. There are a lot of good players out there

Umh...you're wrong TT-TT
http://zoome.jp/gattun/diary/56/
All weapon BM using Fists and well...owning..people havent used fists right or they dont have the right equips ..but fists own PvP ;O.. Sure any class does as well if the player is good or if cash shopped or both @.@... But Fists are still effin awesome D=

The dude on the vid used Axes 95% of the time and used fists against robes... of course u own them fast... no need to be a genius to know that geez >.>

And an archer kills them with 1 and a half arrows from 125 miles away if unshielded as the ones in the vid.... that is TW, u get ganked from every angle. Your point? Still no better DD.

Yeah, and everybody can afford that right?

Also, a cata barb isnt usually alone and i dont think any clever cata squad would let you DPS his butt as you please.

And in TW pure DPS (that means hitting non-stop something a long period of time) doesn't exist. Doing that will paint a big red bull's eye in your butt. I said PvP, there's not pure DPS in PvP, ppl aren't bosses or mobs. They move.

Edit: well, u can pure DPS a squishy with a fast weapon and move to the next one. Ok, i give you that. Long DPS battles are out of the question tho.

Kedth - Sanctuary wrote: »

And in TW pure DPS (that means hitting non-stop something a long period of time) doesn't exist. Doing that will paint a big red bull's eye in your butt. I said PvP, there's not pure DPS in PvP, ppl aren't bosses or mobs. They move.

Edit: well, u can pure DPS a squishy with a fast weapon and move to the next one. Ok, i give you that. Long DPS battles are out of the question tho.

are a bm? how the fak u got to lvl90 and stayed that stuped.

u can use stuns, dps with fist, and switch to axe for drake bash. u can extend with genie stun too, and whatever doesnt die in 18 sec doestn worth fisting(needs to be 3 sparked)

I guess some ppl don't get that if u stun lock a peep in TW (talking about TW not 1vs1 PK... not the same just in case u don't know the difference) u get empty of chi and u are dead (u need to stun squads no just 1 loser for 18 secs)... so who is the stupid now? Yeah, go ahead and spam bash to switch weapon plz. And get ur squad killed in the process. Talking about stupidity...

Ow, and i use and switch between 3 weapons (one of them fists)... so u can stfu a bit b:bye

No, there isnt..... in PVE!! Even 1vs1 PK against some classes.
TW is another different story and i was talking about it... you are NOT the only one with stuns/sleep/seal and whatever, and if u thiink u are going to pure DPS **** there freely you are just plan naive.

Meh, i give up... u don't seem to get it.

kamikaze101 wrote: »

same with you ;o....like you said many classes can stun/seal/sleep...but its not just you against the others dum dum theres a bunch of you guys in TW D=....you just dont get it. Im out ;O

Good, begone with your insults.

Kedth - Sanctuary wrote: »

Thank you for saying nothing with that post.... im still trying to figure out your point there... maybe that there are ppl in TW. Maybe that there are ppl in your server. Or maybe that there are ppl playing a game you play.. idk idk.

End of the flame for good b:bye

In TW fists are close to useless. Before you start flaming me I say this as an axe/fist bm with lunar claws and base atk speed of 2.22 atk/s. BMs aren't meant to go after single targets in TW. Your only roles are to:
1) Run into a group of people + stun/aoe
2) Use HF on a cata barb to help your wizzies and other DD kill him faster
3) Go after a cleric that's healing a cata barb, in which case 99% of the time the cleric will be flying. Run up, HF+True Emptiness GG cleric, I've hit 22k on a cleric in TW before with a zerk+crit True Emptiness.

There's simply no room for you to go after single targets that often because it's not a bm's job. Fists are good for some quick chi buildup when your spark pots are on cd, that's about it.

In PvP outside of TW they are extremely useful when combined with axe's stuns. Yes nobody is gonna stand there and let you pound their face in, that's why we have stuns+freeze. At 99 it's possible to get a base attack speed of 3.33 atk/s, given a 4 second window after your Roar that's over 13 hits right there.