The best build for me...

Light armour has a little more physical defence, a fair chunk less magic defence. The difference can mostly be made up by choice of shards and ornaments (more pdef ornaments for the arcane user, more +magic ornaments for the LA one)

Mages weakness is that when you get hit by physical damage, you die. Light armors main weakness is that your pet heals aren't as good (meaning your pet dies) - and also a high crit means that you pull aggro off of your pet more often (but then also, you're more able to deal with that)

Foxform likes having high strength and high dex and high pdef. Light armour will find fox form more useful more often - but you have to buy the skills for it.

PVP I cannot intelligently comment on. I have heard that light armour is the best if you don't have a huge amount of coin to spend on having multiple ormnament sets, but that arcane is better at the end.

Stats are usually given every two levels (so as to have ten points to distribute). Veno's require 6/1 int/str for arcane (with the remaining three points spent anywhere you like - usually they go into int or vit), 6/2/2 int/str/dex for light (no wiggle room at all)

So at 78 arcane, minimum would be: 234 int, 39 str.
And 78 LA would be: 234 int, 78 str, 78 dex

Personally, I went arcane.

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Every 20 points in dex gives 1% inrease crit rate (20, 40, 60 and so on).
Having 50 dex makes no sense in any build, no matter class (just gives slighty better evasion & hit succe).

OBS! Having high crit as veno will get you killed (not kill faster), since you draw aggro from pet.

As veno is my main game and i have 40 chars of all classes with diff builds, i tell you my best veno build is:

vit = 5 (only initial points here since only pet gets hit, i almost never die)
str = wep and armour requrements your lvl (this is surprisingly small amount)
dex = 20 (to get the 1% crit and not waste the 5 initial points)
mag = ALL THE REST!

b:victory

40 chars??? what builds u all have and what levels??? and all on official servers??? or some experiments done on "other ones" (dunno if mentioning other servers is bannable here, if so, than sorry, i didnt mean doing anything wrong)

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Every 20 points in dex gives 1% inrease crit rate (20, 40, 60 and so on).
Having 50 dex makes no sense in any build, no matter class (just gives slighty better evasion & hit succe).

OBS! Having high crit as veno will get you killed (not kill faster), since you draw aggro from pet.

As veno is my main game and i have 40 chars of all classes with diff builds, i tell you my best veno build is:

vit = 5 (only initial points here since only pet gets hit, i almost never die)
str = wep and armour requrements your lvl (this is surprisingly small amount)
dex = 20 (to get the 1% crit and not waste the 5 initial points)
mag = ALL THE REST!

b:victory

Full mag will kill you quicker than having dex.

Kenichiiii - Sanctuary wrote: »

Here's my current vit/arcane veno. http://www.pw-vendetta.com/images/me.bmp, you can see if you want that or light armor (less magic attack, lower HP, lower m def). As a non-light armor veno I have to say that I rarely die since my defense, attack, and HP pool are high enough to handle most issues. vit/mag is not as "squishy" as everyone says. That said, nix's still **** me but if you're not in PVP you'll be fine.

I think 20 dex is just a waste, if you want crit you can get it without dex like mine

maybe show your gearparts too?
(i assume tt80 gold set?? or not?)

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Why should no one listen to me? I play full mag on lvl 84 and rarely dies, have played this game from the first hour closed beta was released, and lead 300 members in PWI as guild leader. b:surrender

Doesn't this prove that playing with your brain, is superior to any builds or equipment? b:victory

If they plan on doing anything PvP related or want to be able to survive for longer than a few seconds if their pet is unable to assist them for whatever reason (IE: death), perhaps? Pretty sure I put that reason somewhere in my post... b:surrender

As for the second part, I dunno... hundred monkeys at a hundred typewriter theory and all... b:laugh If they don't mind being extra squishy, though (which I'd assume requires using your brain and making few mistakes in order to survive), or happen to be rich enough to afford extra high refines and gems, then there's no reason for them not to ignore vit/dex and go for pure mag.

And you still haven't paid attention to the reasoning: Any situation where your pet is unable to save you for whatever reason, be it PvP where the pet is generally ignored in favor of attacking the veno directly, the pet itself being to squishy for heals to keep up no matter how strong they are (and since OP's pet is a Kowlin, that's very likely to occur in some areas/situations), or the pet in general being unable to rescue you or be healed (an unusual lag spike while using pet to pull, for example) then not having any vit whatsoever is not going to be a good thing.

I've tried pure mag and, while the heals are nice and all, being so squishy is not my thing at all (especially in any PvP related activity as having no vit and robes is like painting a giant target over my head asking people to try and 1-shot me). I know several pure mag venos that have to shard tons of citrines to make up for their HP loss... and steal aggro from their pets if they don't watch themselves closely or use a weaker weapon (which also means weaker heals and slower kills overall unless they swap weapons whenever they attack, which normally isn't the case). They also take physical damage in lower level instances and TTs worse than LA wearers ~30 levels below them. Thanks, but no thanks on that. I'd much rather play as vit/arcane all the way and not need to hold back on my attacks to avoid aggro, be able to take a hit if I do take aggro, and be able to survive long enough with my pet out of the picture to be effective without draining my resources.

Oh and you may want to consider that a vit/arcane can always choose when to cap their vit and put the rest into mag. They'll still have stronger heals than LA either way, but in any situation where something chases them around for whatever reason, they'll have some extra wiggle room that pure mag will never be able to make up for unless you're insanely rich.

I completely agree with you that pure mag is great for any situation where you can hide behind the pet without worrying too much about the damage you take. For those that stick completely to PvE and have a great tanking pet, it's quite good and serves the veno well as playing cleric to their pet. If you're in an area where you don't have to worry too much about pet heals though (say... a sage veno with an equally leveled pet in a FB51), you're going to steal aggro right off the pet pretty easily (especially if you're unlucky and crit more than once or decide to spark) and unless your pet has roar or multiple aggro skills to pull it right back off you (aka is not a herc) you'll take a beating (and possibly die) that some vit would be rather helpful with.*

Now taking into consideration that the OP's pet isn't exactly the greatest tank, comes with a support ability that lowers enemy m.def (meaning you'll deal more damage and take aggro easier) and she already has almost enough vit to be a 7-2-1 build anyways, wouldn't it make sense to go ahead and have her stick to a 7 mag 2 vit 1 str (or even 8 mag 1 vit 1 str) build until she gets some pet that's either better at holding aggro or can take more damage? It's not exactly like she can't restat her vit into mag later on if she feels she wants the stronger heals or even stop adding points to it and pour them solely into mag when she feels she has enough extra HP/pdef to not need any more.




*The above scenario is totally not an intentional recreation of what happened when AinaMizuako was with Tearvalerin in FB51... but it did give me a laugh after I finished typing it and realized how similar it was. b:laugh

Pet heals are only a small part of being pure mag. Max MP, MP recov, matk, mdef, price of MP via ST, cheaper sharding, more return on leech, and savings on HP pots are also affected. Through the 70's you can level almost daily and after 77 is when some equips will last you another 20-30 levels if not more. This makes refines more worth doing which is part of where pure mags can get sufficient HP. Pure mag doesn't need citrine: they have plenty of mdef. Garnets run way cheaper (Perfect and above). At around level 60, pure mags may want to start carrying a set of alternate pdef equips for TT runs and such. Venos receive much less benefit from vit than other classes. They do however benefit greatly from defense especially pdef in fox.

Born_Again_ - Sanctuary wrote: »

Let me put it simple and straight forward. The venos i know and talk to generally recommends this:

Low lvl venos recommend vit/dex build. b:pleased

My high lvl veno friends recommends pure mag, or they regret for the rest of their PWI life they didn't go pure mag. The reason beeing, you need the mag to heal pet at higher lvls. Beeing squishy DOES NOT mean you die more often. Actually a dex/vit player would die more often, cause he/she can't keep pet healed. b:sad

Tnx for your attention. b:thanks

its wrong but whatever i know from experience not friends
just to say this to you, as a heavy you are able to solo drum/soulbanisher/feng in squad mode with just pots... please do that as pure arcane i dare you to try that
in pvp pure mag build die much faster than any kind of veno build

tweakz wrote: »

I think the problem is that these types of statements tend to come from the ones that ignore pdef.

even vit veno, which use garnets of course, still die kinda easy... imagine one without hp. i dont care that much about pve but in pvp pure mag is for sure not recommended. its easy 1-2 shots, you can have the LA build pdef as robe but no hp, even refines sux on arcane, is a no no

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »

Also to ken, Im arcane, and I can solo those bosses with ease, what is your point?

you do those bosses solo (alone) in squad mode as arcane? quite strage coz even with 10k pded a boss like drum hit hard near the end of his life

that thing i have to see since its probably 2-3k damage from aoe on arcane every few seconds
or probably you are much higher lvl than the lvl require to open the doors and have pretty expensive gear

well, it starts with 100-200 damage then i get a little more that 1k damage in the end, pots from drops are enough to cover that... and i'll be scared as pure mag because it doesnt have much hp

Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »

I have 11k+, is that enough?

that is buffed right? because i dont use any buff when i solo
btw thats not pure mag build imo since you get 11k, the person i quoted said ppl who are not pure mag will regret or something thats why i assumed you are pure mag

kenlee wrote: »

you do those bosses solo (alone) in squad mode as arcane? quite strage coz even with 10k pded a boss like drum hit hard near the end of his life

You underestimate robe defense. It's not at the same level as heavy, but with protection ornaments and garnets, you can get physical resist up to pretty decent levels.

http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0ba95a0a42222d6e

There's my physical set right now, along with being in fox form (so no buffs from others). It helps to cut down damage taken quite a bit. It will wreck your potion supply, but the AE isn't really an issue. The bigger issue honestly is the loss in healing power by removing channeling gear.

11k is entirely possible with some better physical gear, some of my slots are really bad right now like the robe (so bad I barely gave it shards/a +1).

I missed that part, I thought it was 11k def not 11k hp. In that case, the only way you're seeing 11k hp as a veno is to go vit arcane with citrine shards. 11k hp is just... really high unless barb buffs are being included. 11k including a sage barb buff is only 7858 (minimum) without buffs. If you assume 24 flawless citrines that's the same as 6898 using garnets, and 100 levels of 1.5 vit/level is 1800 hp meaning 11k buffed vit arcane is just as obtainable as 5098 pure arcane using citrines. With some better shards in there it would be even less.

Regardless though, that's within the realm of possibility, especially with some +hp on gear, and refines on grade 13/14 items.