The best build for me...
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What level shards/refines and are you including buffs?0
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Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »11k+ isnt hard anymore, in a few weeks I'll have 12k..its just not hard anymore lol
^Also from not cash shopping, to people who think getting that kind of HP is only attainable by cash shopping ..I..
lol..post a screenshot plz. i dun believe that.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »What level shards/refines and are you including buffs?
Including buffs, yes. The rest, dunno.0 -
Flawless shards +7 gear, and of course thats barb buffed.
And Korren, how exactly am i supposed to prove I don't cash shop?0 -
Mystic-Night - Heavens Tear wrote: »Flawless shards +7 gear, and of course thats barb buffed.
And Korren, how exactly am i supposed to prove I don't cash shop?
just a screenshot of player stat and gears. im wondering how can a vit/mag venom hit 11k hp..pure vit build?b:faint[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Wow, and I thought I was doing well hitting 3k.
If I put every point left to me in the entire game into vit, I'd still only get another 1200 HP.
Five shardable equipment slots, call it 17 sockets. That's another 1k HP.
So that makes 4k HP to get from refines to hit a 10k total. I don't see that being possible.0 -
Mystic-Night tells the truth.....
I have 12.1k with sage/demon barb buff so its not impossible....Pride comes before a fall! b:bye0 -
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Brael - Dreamweaver wrote: »You underestimate robe defense. It's not at the same level as heavy, but with protection ornaments and garnets, you can get physical resist up to pretty decent levels.
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=0ba95a0a42222d6e
There's my physical set right now, along with being in fox form (so no buffs from others). It helps to cut down damage taken quite a bit. It will wreck your potion supply, but the AE isn't really an issue. The bigger issue honestly is the loss in healing power by removing channeling gear.
11k is entirely possible with some better physical gear, some of my slots are really bad right now like the robe (so bad I barely gave it shards/a +1).
something is wrong with the arcane robe in the calculator, unless arcane dialetician smoking vests give 1.5k phys def 0.o that's 3418 extra phys def from fox form.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Wow, guys. Thanks for all the info, it's really hard to choose, haha.
Another question to throw out there, when it comes to choosing between sage or demon, which plays to the strengths of LA or vit/mag?
As of now, I don't really have problems with dying or taking damage unless I take aggro from my Kowlin, which happens A LOT. At tops, 3-5 hits from a mob like Pirate Second Class kills me. I can fight off up to 5 mobs swarmed on me, with my pet and hp/mp potions. I just feel like my stats are all over the place and want to be able to use fox form more.
So, if I were to go LA, I'd have to buff up with citrines and be wary of stealing aggro (which happens to me anyway), and with vit/mag I would have to use rubbies and other shards?0 -
ya..this is more convictive than any words.
even g14 gears all 4 sockets..b:surrenderso rich.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
SashaGray - Heavens Tear wrote: »something is wrong with the arcane robe in the calculator, unless arcane dialetician smoking vests give 1.5k phys def 0.o that's 3418 extra phys def from fox form.
Oh, nice catch. Must have mistyped when I was fixing the robes resists to four stats. It should be 157 physical. 6715 (64%) in fox, 10576 fully buffed (73%)0 -
Aeyris - Sanctuary wrote: »Wow, guys. Thanks for all the info, it's really hard to choose, haha.
Another question to throw out there, when it comes to choosing between sage or demon, which plays to the strengths of LA or vit/mag?
As of now, I don't really have problems with dying or taking damage unless I take aggro from my Kowlin, which happens A LOT. At tops, 3-5 hits from a mob like Pirate Second Class kills me. I can fight off up to 5 mobs swarmed on me, with my pet and hp/mp potions. I just feel like my stats are all over the place and want to be able to use fox form more.
So, if I were to go LA, I'd have to buff up with citrines and be wary of stealing aggro (which happens to me anyway), and with vit/mag I would have to use rubbies and other shards?
My honest opinion is that it depends more on which form you like more than your armor. While Demons tend to have better skills on the mage side (venemous and ironwood, for example), sage rules for fox (leech and fox form, for example). So the choice is really more based on how you use the forms, IMO, than the armor you choose to use.
As LA, you'd do less damage in general (so you'd steal aggro less most of the time) but that would be somewhat made up for with your higher crit. You'd also be able to get more out of fox than in arcane since you'd need almost double the str of robes and you'd have plenty more dex for accuracy. However, LA is, statistically speaking, the worst armor type overall endgame. Fortunately, you have fox form and decent mdef from your mag to make up for this. You'd want to shard citrines to make up for your lack of vit to give HP as well.
For vit/arcane, you probably won't be spending as much time in fox as LA due to a lack of str/dex. However, you'll also be able to get higher overall resists and (excluding high refines) have higher HP on average from your vit. You'll also deal more damage, so you won't need crits to worry about stealing aggro, but by sharding garnets, you won't really have to worry too much about the damage you'll take. You'll also have the option of adding citrines once you have enough p.def to suit your needs.0 -
"However, LA is, statistically speaking, the worst armor type overall endgame."
Only true if you are 100% PvE.
And I've yet to meet a serious endgame veno who is PvE only.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
"However, LA is, statistically speaking, the worst armor type overall endgame."
Only true if you are 100% PvE.
And I've yet to meet a serious endgame veno who is PvE only.
Let's see....
HA has higher phys def, more HP per refine, and those wearing HA tend to have more freedom in terms of sharding because they can choose citrines to increase their HP further, or sapphires to make up for their lower mdef.
Everyone and their grandma knows that if you're in LA and a caster, you restat to arcane later on so you can make the most of your mag and, if you shard garnets, you'll be able to have more phys def than LA while obviously having more mdef than they do.
Tell me again how LA isn't the worst armor type endgame? Maybe visit the archer forums sometime and see how many people there disagree about LA sucking. Considering that archers are mostly locked into using LA, I'm sure they should know how good it is relatively. b:chuckle0 -
Any build is good for a veno, its your play style so you do whatever you want
Anyone who says that a certain build is pathetic, doesn't know what they are talking about. Clearly they are ignorant just because someone isn't like them, or they are jealous themselves that they didn't choose that path. However, LA and HA builds are only exceptionally good if you play it well, which most people dont. b:bye0 -
Let's see....
HA has higher phys def, more HP per refine, and those wearing HA tend to have more freedom in terms of sharding because they can choose citrines to increase their HP further, or sapphires to make up for their lower mdef.
Everyone and their grandma knows that if you're in LA and a caster, you restat to arcane later on so you can make the most of your mag and, if you shard garnets, you'll be able to have more phys def than LA while obviously having more mdef than they do.
Tell me again how LA isn't the worst armor type endgame? Maybe visit the archer forums sometime and see how many people there disagree about LA sucking. Considering that archers are mostly locked into using LA, I'm sure they should know how good it is relatively. b:chuckle
The mediocre increase in p.defence (if you go vit/arcane + garnet shard) is almost unnoticeable in PvP due to the 75% damage reduction, as is the small increase in m.atk. Since you are garnet sharding, your HP won't be miles above citrine sharded LA either, which has better refines to slightly make up for the loss (also LA wear a helmet to further decrease the HP difference).
The much lower m.def of LA can be compensated by wearing robes when you need it - I have a set hot-keyed.
However, I wear LA not for its defences, but for the crit it allows you to have (5-6% more crit then arcane/vit). Being a LA demon veno, I am on course for a 30%+ crit rate once I get a sinrabansho, and maybe more if I manage to get a proper crit tome and juggle my stats a bit (on top of my crit I also have -42% channel) AFAIK such a crit rate is impossible for an arcane/vit veno.
Also archers live on crit; I don't see why they would want any other armour. I have seen some HA archers but those are rare and far in between.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
The mediocre increase in p.defence (if you go vit/arcane + garnet shard) is almost unnoticeable in PvP due to the 75% damage reduction, as is the small increase in m.atk. Since you are garnet sharding, your HP won't be miles above citrine sharded LA either, which has better refines to slightly make up for the loss (also LA wear a helmet to further decrease the HP difference).
The much lower m.def of LA can be compensated by wearing robes when you need it - I have a set hot-keyed.
However, I wear LA not for its defences, but for the crit it allows you to have (5-6% more crit then arcane/vit). Being a LA demon veno, I am on course for a 30%+ crit rate once I get a sinrabansho, and maybe more if I manage to get a proper crit tome and juggle my stats a bit (on top of my crit I also have -42% channel) AFAIK such a crit rate is impossible for an arcane/vit veno.
Also archers live on crit; I don't see why they would want any other armour. I have seen some HA archers but those are rare and far in between.
Hai Mystic
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The mediocre increase in p.defence (if you go vit/arcane + garnet shard) is almost unnoticeable in PvP due to the 75% damage reduction, as is the small increase in m.atk. Since you are garnet sharding, your HP won't be miles above citrine sharded LA either, which has better refines to slightly make up for the loss (also LA wear a helmet to further decrease the HP difference).
The much lower m.def of LA can be compensated by wearing robes when you need it - I have a set hot-keyed.
However, I wear LA not for its defences, but for the crit it allows you to have (5-6% more crit then arcane/vit). Being a LA demon veno, I am on course for a 30%+ crit rate once I get a sinrabansho, and maybe more if I manage to get a proper crit tome and juggle my stats a bit (on top of my crit I also have -42% channel) AFAIK such a crit rate is impossible for an arcane/vit veno.
Also archers live on crit; I don't see why they would want any other armour. I have seen some HA archers but those are rare and far in between.
Everyone can make awesome builds when they charge zen.
I find all builds pretty good aslong it works and suits your playstyle.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
Retsuko - Shifong
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Aeyris - Sanctuary wrote: »Another question to throw out there, when it comes to choosing between sage or demon, which plays to the strengths of LA or vit/mag?
I believe that demon is basically better for PVP because of the chance of an "I kill you now!" hit. Which pairs it nicely with the crit of light armour.Aeyris - Sanctuary wrote: »So, if I were to go LA, I'd have to buff up with citrines and be wary of stealing aggro (which happens to me anyway), and with vit/mag I would have to use rubbies and other shards?
Rubies? I hope not. Garnets (for the pdef) makes more sense, and are what people are saying. No caster can do go very wrong with a few citrines even in arcane armour, though.
Fox makes pulling aggro quite a bit more survivable. And having high dex and strength makes fox more desirable than otherwise. So it pairs well with light armour.0 -
Shifong - Heavens Tear wrote: »Everyone can make awesome builds when they charge zen.
Don't have to charge zen to have such a build; I certianly didn't.
Now that the twilight scepter is in plenty of CS boxes its price has dropped significantly. I find it hilarious that some people had to buy it for 300m when a few weeks later its in a catshop for less then 100m.
Anyway, the tideborn expansion will allow armours to gain crit if you upgrade them - both LA and arcane, but obviously LA would benefit more from this. Since 5 LA armour pieces give you a max of 10 dex (3 of which also have a 1% crit bonus) - a fully upgraded set can give you 5% crit. If you replace the upgraded boots with LA heavenragers, your LA upgraded armour will net you a bonus of 7% crit.
Maybe you can achieve a 40% crit rate if you go all in, combined with high channel and a nix, it does sound rather deadly.
Also something to note: a fully upgraded LA armour set gets a phys and mgk reduction bonus of 16% each, arcane gets an 8% phys reduction bonus and 16% mgk reduction bonus.
However arcane does not only gain crit; the upgraded arcane pants get a -3% channel bonus which is very nice. LA gets +atk rate... a useless stat for a caster really.
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Also, I'm not Mystic.
Edit: oh, you miss-quoted.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Just be like Ylime then, LA with 10k+ magic attack
bring up that crit rate to 40%?
10k+ magic attack and a nix? wtf GG0 -
but you can agree that you can make an arcane build with better defences and atk than LA except crit rate. if you also focus on gear with +vit on arcane, like you do with +crit on LA, you can get a better build overall except those crits which drives you crazyThe mediocre increase in p.defence (if you go vit/arcane + garnet shard) is almost unnoticeable in PvP due to the 75% damage reduction, as is the small increase in m.atk. Since you are garnet sharding, your HP won't be miles above citrine sharded LA either, which has better refines to slightly make up for the loss (also LA wear a helmet to further decrease the HP difference).
The much lower m.def of LA can be compensated by wearing robes when you need it - I have a set hot-keyed.0 -
but you can agree that you can make an arcane build with better defences and atk than LA except crit rate. if you also focus on gear with +vit on arcane, like you do with +crit on LA, you can get a better build overall except those crits which drives you crazy
It won't be a "better build overall" because it will lack the crit rate the equivalent LA build will have. The increase in p.def and m.atk are nothing noteworthy when considering PvP. The really good thing about arcane vit is its HP, which is a solid bonus over LA - but in my opinion its not better then the extra crit you can gain.
As said above, it seems that with the upcoming armour upgrades it will be possible to increase the crit of a LA veno even further - and while 40% might be a bit much I know 38-39% is possible if going by the pwi calc (LA demon veno with crit genie skill). Another thing is the upgraded LA armour's phys reduction bonus, the set has 8% more then for arcane set.
Edit: you can get 40% but it would require Rank 8, for the 4% crit ring.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Crit rate in exchange for max mp, mp recov, matk, consistent pet heals, -chan, better return on leech and other HP recov methods, better aggro control, etc. I can understand Pure Mag, and HA/AA but not all these other builds.Be kind: Help the GMs to depopulate the servers.0
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heres something to under standCrit rate in exchange for max mp, mp recov, matk, consistent pet heals, -chan, better return on leech and other HP recov methods, better aggro control, etc. I can understand Pure Mag, and HA/AA but not all these other builds.
, vit arcane can have better aggro control, m.atk, max hp/mp, pdef, mdef, - channel, a consistent heal, and almost as good crit as LA.
pure mag has high m,atk/mp/heals, but a poor HP pool. sure you can have OK defense with garnets but youre still an easy kill.
HA/AA has ridiculous pdef, ok hp, and ok mdef, but gets expensive in the fact you need 2sets of armor, and have pretty mediocre m.atk
vit arcane on the other hand has better pdef/hp/mdef/m.atk than LA. better Hp/pdef than pure mag, a slightly smaller m.atk range/mp pool, but its irrelevant. way better hp, mdef, mp, and m,atk than HA/AA...
i DONT understand HA/AA LA or pure mag, but hey, to each their own[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
tweakz you don't understand these builds because you dont PvP.
go PK someday and with your current build you will get 1 shot by many.
The builds were talking about are for PvP and PvE, but mostly PvP.0 -
Crit rate in exchange for max mp, mp recov, matk, consistent pet heals, -chan, better return on leech and other HP recov methods, better aggro control, etc. I can understand Pure Mag, and HA/AA but not all these other builds.
I was talking purely PvP.
Max MP - Not an issue in PvP. I'm not even sure it matters in PvE... not with NG and MB, especially the demon versions (fast cooldown).
MP recov - Not an issue in PvP. Once again, not sure if its an issue in PvE, espcially if a cleric is around.
M.atk - unless you are a full mgk build, your m.atk will not be significantly higher then LA m.atk. As discussed in previous threads, with the use of calc.ru, an arcane vit veno has the same, or slightly higher m.atk then LA. Its nothing to write home about.
Consistent pet heals - Not an issue in PvP. Following above, an arcane vit veno will have similar pet healing abilities as LA. In any case I think the issue is overblown; I used a TT80 Endless Ambiguity (+4, dual saph. flawless) until lvl95 and could solo every boss a herc veno is expected to solo through those levels. Granted that I had 18% channel.
Channeling - as you know, most endgame crit equips come with channel bonus (lunar rings, lunar gold wand, TT100, etc). That, plus the fact that the veno spam skills have such a small channel time makes losing a total of -6%,-12% well worth it for the extra crit you gain.
HP recovery - not an issue in PvP - once again, like MP regen it shouldn't be an issue for any veno build even in PvE.
Agro control - not an issue in PvP. In PvE - if barb is a fail barb - I take off my crit gear and do what a veno is supposed to do; debuff, amp, spark spam and buff with doing some DD without nuking too much. When I grind I always use nix, and that usually can keep the agro just fine - provided I am careful.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
actually reading again HA/AA thread i saw some items that players used and i could make this arcane vit works and have like (full buffed) 10k m.atk/10k pdef in fox/10k hp.
but this is not the point, i can perfectly understand your build axt57
this is usually the line where everyone have their own style of pvp. while others likes to help squad members to kill others, some veno goes for full kill themselves with the risk of getting killed a little bit more than other one.
another thing is also about coins, how much do you want to invest in a decent build0 -
The best build for me is
1) 3 mag, 1 vit, +strengs to wear armour
2)I have good magic attack, good at farming, for extremal farming using "pills" for mana and HP regeneration.
One word "Full INT", you know about what i`m talking about...0
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