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  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    Still.....just cast your darn level 1 frostblade.....
    seriously with the chi aura up, the chi regained back from casting it and stuff...
    just cast it during the downtime between waves.
    you really don't have anything to lose.

    and having them buffed before a boss helps. since you don't really want to spend time rebuffing the archer, bm, and barb while the boss is there.
    b:sweat

    just use it so bosses go down slightly faster.
    d(^.-d)

    If more wizards agree this is sound and proper I will add it. I will leave it out for now. Ive never seen it done before except for wave 1. The first 2 bosses in Beta ( Spirit of Thromh the Mighty and Qingzi's Spirit) have no elemental weakness. As an archer I would rather a Wizard keep DB up at all times except during Fire waves.

    Regards
  • King_Solomon - Heavens Tear
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,341 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I've never really tested it but I thought Frostblade would increase equally the damage of any melee attack, skill or not.

    To my mind buffing Archer/BM/Barb with Frostblade means they draw more aggro = best for a squishy.
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  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I've never really tested it but I thought Frostblade would increase equally the damage of any melee attack, skill or not.

    To my mind buffing Archer/BM/Barb with Frostblade means they draw more aggro = best for a squishy.

    ^this
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    also only affects normal attack....which is still okie since archers do alot of normal attacks on bosses as well as BMs and barbs.
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  • Adroit - Lost City
    Adroit - Lost City Posts: 4,628 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    King_Solomon - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    I've never really tested it but I thought Frostblade would increase equally the damage of any melee attack, skill or not.

    To my mind buffing Archer/BM/Barb with Frostblade means they draw more aggro = best for a squishy.

    it doesnt work with skillz.. its only useful for normal atks and when you want a shiny hand for a few mins
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »
    If more wizards agree this is sound and proper I will add it. I will leave it out for now. Ive never seen it done before except for wave 1. The first 2 bosses in Beta ( Spirit of Thromh the Mighty and Qingzi's Spirit) have no elemental weakness. As an archer I would rather a Wizard keep DB up at all times except during Fire waves.

    Regards

    dont add it. Its better to let the chi auras do their thing. No need to drop DB just for a blue hand. Besides, archers do enough without it. The only time i use this in RB is if we are against a fire elemental boss. Thenyou want to buff barb, Bm, archer and veno if they like to DD in fox form
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    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
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  • Nerithos - Sanctuary
    Nerithos - Sanctuary Posts: 370 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Just buff 'em before the boss. You won't be running DB at the earlier bosses anyway. And at the later bosses, you'll most definitely have a chi aura up, so dropping DB won't hurt.

    Plus, everybody loves a shiny blue hand :3
  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    I will add FrostBlade an optional skill and tatic.

    Regards
  • Kannone - Heavens Tear
    Kannone - Heavens Tear Posts: 907 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »
    I will add FrostBlade an optional skill and tatic.

    Regards

    You're going to end up adding all 21 useful mage spells (plus frost blade which is S-T-U-P-I-D) to your list LOL!!! b:laugh

    p.s. saw a few people say not to max dragon's breath. This is **** info, discard immediately. DB is a staple mage zhen and must be maxed for rebirth, frost, TW, and regular grinding.

    p.p.s somewhere around here I had a pic that showed the ideal way to set up zhen for rebirth beta & gamma... I'll fish it up; unfortunately we left out archers because they're mostly useless before rb: delta.

    p.p.p.s http://i35.tinypic.com/s6ol78.jpg <~ that's how a squad from HT managed to beat beta, was a lot of fun and again... we totally skipped archers & venos because archer zhens are complicated (require a glitch) and venos are... meh underwhelming in group play.
  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    You're going to end up adding all 21 useful mage spells (plus frost blade which is S-T-U-P-I-D) to your list LOL!!! b:laugh

    p.s. saw a few people say not to max dragon's breath. This is **** info, discard immediately. DB is a staple mage zhen and must be maxed for rebirth, frost, TW, and regular grinding.

    p.p.s somewhere around here I had a pic that showed the ideal way to set up zhen for rebirth beta & gamma... I'll fish it up; unfortunately we left out archers because they're mostly useless before rb: delta.

    p.p.p.s http://i35.tinypic.com/s6ol78.jpg <~ that's how a squad from HT managed to beat beta, was a lot of fun and again... we totally skipped archers & venos because archer zhens are complicated (require a glitch) and venos are... meh underwhelming in group play.
    Kannone - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    we totally skipped archers & venos because archer zhens are complicated (require a glitch)

    Archers can be used in Beta without using any Barrage "exploit" I have 56 minutes of HD footage from stage one wave one to stage 3 wave 2. I was 10 levels higher than the Wizard and was dealing more damage. It was the first run and was meant to be a test of Beta.

    The rest I have no comments. Thank you for your post.

    Regards.
  • Gonman - Sanctuary
    Gonman - Sanctuary Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    i am a currently lvl 37 wizard. i seem to die too quickly, and i feel like i can never use dragons breath, as i cannot take physical damage. what are some good tips for me? my fire resistance is my lowest it is at 887 :( plz help me! you all seem to be great wizard masters! and could you plz tell me some of the abbreviations that you are using. thank you!
  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Gonman - Sanctuary wrote: »
    i am a currently lvl 37 wizard. i seem to die too quickly, and i feel like i can never use dragons breath, as i cannot take physical damage. what are some good tips for me? my fire resistance is my lowest it is at 887 :( plz help me! you all seem to be great wizard masters! and could you plz tell me some of the abbreviations that you are using. thank you!

    Hello I don't think it was your intention. However please don't abstract from people's original thread. At times people can get side-tracked and forget the reason for the thread all together. Please create your own in the Beginner's guide thread located here:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=19

    Or create your own thread in the Wizard class discussion thread. located here:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/forumdisplay.php?f=10

    You may find your answer in the Wizards beginner guide as well. located here:

    http://pwi-forum.perfectworld.com/showthread.php?t=95192

    Regards.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Kannone
    b:surrender
    you need teh sleep.
    (>.<)'

    also....eh...frostblade be more of an optional skill. (doesn't have to be leveled up. level 1 works fine)
    me has merely forced it to become an useful skill using me noob power.
    d(^.-d)

    here be how me works.
    after you kill a wave.
    Drop DB
    Ulti when barb comes back with the mobs.
    frostblade anyone (me usually aim for the BM/archer/barb. usually in that order)
    that frostblade will knock you automatically to 1 spark.
    Restart DB (me can manage usually this before the mobs even get hit by the archer aoe.)
    Repeat.
    (chi will come back to max by aura usually before the next wave comes.)

    also Gonman go start a new thread in the wizard section or something. like how Foltern suggested.
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  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    Kannone
    b:surrender
    you need teh sleep.
    (>.<)'

    also....eh...frostblade be more of an optional skill. (doesn't have to be leveled up. level 1 works fine)
    me has merely forced it to become an useful skill using me noob power.
    d(^.-d)

    here be how me works.
    after you kill a wave.
    Drop DB
    Ulti when barb comes back with the mobs.
    frostblade anyone (me usually aim for the BM/archer/barb. usually in that order)
    that frostblade will knock you automatically to 1 spark.
    Restart DB (me can manage usually this before the mobs even get hit by the archer aoe.)
    Repeat.
    (chi will come back to max by aura usually before the next wave comes.

    Frost was added as optional in post 38. The OP was edited.

    Regards
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Frost was added as optional in post 38. The OP was edited.

    Regards

    yay~
    b:thanks

    um...why is wellspring quaff listed as a required skill?
    b:puzzled
    mp auras take care of all me MP needs in RBs
    XD

    also Dew of Gods Protection = Win
    Level requirement 60 so it can work in beta right?
    o.O

    o...and personal experience of something annoying in Gamma. Me sure it applies to beta since beta also has God's Eye.
    If you can avoid casting ulties while in God's eye's range if it be attacking you.
    It has a chance to interrupt your channeling of ultis when it hits you. (Good this is that it doesn't interrupt DB while it's channeling)
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  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »

    um...why is wellspring quaff listed as a required skill?

    It is used in the first waves when Auras are not active. I was also under the impression using it is what gives a Wizard enough MP to let the Auras cover the MP usage. It can be made optional.
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    Also Dew of Gods Protection = Win
    Level requirement 60 so it can work in beta right?

    Yes but to the best of my knowledge there is no double wave in Beta. I suppose it might help someone at some point. It can be added as optional apothecary., I suggested it to other players and was met with hostility. I will add it if other people agree and support it.

    Regards
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Foltern - Sanctuary wrote: »
    It is used in the first waves when Auras are not active. I was also under the impression using it is what gives a Wizard enough MP to let the Auras cover the MP usage. It can be made optional. I have it listed as Used to recover some MP and reduce channeling to cast faster while dealing damage to bosses.



    Yes but to the best of my knowledge there is no double wave in Beta. I suppose it might help someone at some point. It can be added as optional apothecary., I suggested it to other players and was met with hostility. I will add it if other people agree and support it.

    Regards

    Unless auras be significantly weaker in Beta wellspring isn't needed.
    Wizards mana pool alone be big enough to handle a few ticks from DB before the aura kicks in....unless...me suppose if they be like heavy armor or something. and even then they could probably get by without having to trigger wellspring to increase their mana pool.
    xD

    also me wasn't aware there isn't a double wave in beta lols. then dew be optional.
    (>.<)'
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  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    MagicHamsta - Lost City wrote: »
    Unless auras be significantly weaker in Beta wellspring isn't needed.
    Wizards mana pool alone be big enough to handle a few ticks from DB before the aura kicks in....unless...me suppose if they be like heavy armor or something. and even then they could probably get by without having to trigger wellspring to increase their mana pool.
    xD

    also me wasn't aware there isn't a double wave in beta lols. then dew be optional.
    (>.<)'

    Thanks.

    Regards
  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    If it can be requested, please close this thread, thank you.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    (O.o)'
    there be no post?
    b:shocked
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  • Sirrobert - Dreamweaver
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,395 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    EEhm, why you want the thread closed?
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  • Foltern - Sanctuary
    Foltern - Sanctuary Posts: 517 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    Sirrobert - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    EEhm, why you want the thread closed?

    Because I feel I got what I needed from the community and the thread has served it's purpose. That way I do not need to keep checking it, since thread subscriptions don't work for some reason.

    Regards.
  • MagicHamsta - Lost City
    MagicHamsta - Lost City Posts: 10,466 Arc User
    edited December 2009
    yay?
    b:puzzled
    we....has....been...used?
    xD
    b:shocked
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