Why I hate Swords
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Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »Basically a good stat/skill build will make swords utterly useless, as they're not good for anything, just a midway.
And no, even if you're an all weapon BM, if you've used up Smack/Drake's Ray/Farstrike you're better off leaping or running/flying after whatever you're trying to kill. You're not a ranged class, if you're using your range skills it's either to interrupt someone (smack) or to finish them off. Meaning that if you're spamming all your range skills you're doing something wrong, if your target has that much HP left there's absolutely no point in even using ranged skills. Stop wasting time and get close to them instead, because you're not gonna kill them and you're giving them a chance to kill you. And trust me as a wizard, if a BM doesn't come close to me fast they're going to die.
I still remember the dark ages
..."fists suck, fist are noob for pvp....etc etc"
Now its on to swords X.x....0 -
Fists did suck, for a few reasons. There was no interval tome, there was no interval cape, not many people were 99+ meaning no HH99. Lunar claws were incredibly hard to get, HH90 zerk fists were really expensive because you couldn't get mysterious chips so easily. They were still viable for PvE but without genies for skills like Occult Ice and the event gear they weren't any use in PvP. Now they are.Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0
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with lvl 60 bracers (DQ) and crafted fist -.1 interval I reached 2.0.....before any of this.......and I kicked **** ;o...fist have been awesome since the beggining ;p...people were just stoopid D=
Edit: Forgot to mention this too >->.....perhaps part of my success was also thanks to people thinking of fists as weak weapons or thinking themselves too pro they usually didnt run away until too late >->...the runners were fun to take down too xD0 -
Ok thx for the input everyone, I see now how swords can be a decent main weapon, especially since TT90 gold is so cheap, which I didn't know before.
I agree that multipath BMs are the best, I am currently fist/axe/pole, but sword is still WAAAAAY down on my list. I don't feel the need for spirit chaser because I have farstrike/smack/drakes ray, I don't feel the need for Myriad Sword Stance because I have Berserk Fists + Bolt of Tyreseus, and I don't feel the need for Atmos Strike because well I'm fist, I don't really need high damage skills. But I'll level those... eventually. b:bye0 -
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »Here I will go through a few points I've heard sword bms make, and then refute them.
1. Swords have a high DPS
Fists are higher
with mobs yes, as long they stay next to you.
running mobs, I used to hit them with an axe (just 1 hit) then when they stop I would change to fists.
Vs other players, the dps from fists aparently gets downgraded (bug?) and players will not just stay there waiting for you to hit.
2. Spirit chaser is an extra ranged attack
So is Farstrike, and a better one.
Spirit chaser has its uses, one of them is when you are in in a cave with flying mobs. This range attack is really good for those purposes.
3. Atmos strike can knock back
So can Meteor Rush
You should notice that Atmos strike affects 1 opponent only. then You should use it when you dont want to agro other mobs.
4. Atmos strike is the highest possible no chi spike damage skill
True, until sage farstrike of course, but it has an 8 second cooldown so in terms of skill spamming axes and even polearm would still dish out more spike damage in one combo.
My issue with Atmos is that it does not work all the time, some mobs have some kind of inmunity.
5. Myriad Sword Stance can be used to prevent a party wipe
So can the genie skill Absolute Domain, and it doesn't cost 2 sparks. Also, if you just squad with a good cleric this should be unnecessary anyway.
I would suggest to see the properties of the skill. If you are fighting several mobs and you apply the skill now you are only receiving 50% of the damage for a good amount of time (you dont need to do a follow up attach to take advange of the skill). Any of the other ultimates you need to do a second attack to take advange of the skill and keep in mind you need to hit them all with an AOE.
6. Myriad Sword Stance is the highest possible hitting skill
True, but any of the other 3 ultimates are more useful against barbs and bms, and you shouldn't have a problem killing arcanes anyway. It's still a useful skill, but there are MUCH better things to spend spirit on until level 85+
I agree on this since the skill is kind of bugged for PVP
7. Swords look cool (Read the forums, you'll see this one a LOT)
So does Old Heaven's Tear armor, does that mean you're gonna use that as your main armor instead of TT90?
This is not an attack against Kniraven or any sword bm out there, I'm just not convinced that swords are in anyway useful.
They are usefull if you know how to complement your other weapons with sword.0 -
I like swords. As stated before they are somewhat of an all rounded weapon, but eh I don't really play competitivly so "OMG I HAVE MOST DPS BLARGLARGL" doesn't matter to me. Plus swords look the coolest in my oppinion.0
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im a lvl 64 pole/sword bm
in regards to spirit chaser vs far strike
I like spirit better just because it shoots faster which has saved my life twice
far strike shoots further and hits harder
but you do this spin before you shoot it and thats gotten me killed alot ><
sage spirit it gets even faster
demon spirit you have a chance to get some chi
sage far strike turns into a cannon
demon far strike shoots 2 meters further
till I get my demon or sage books spirit>far stike0 -
Kristoph - Lost City wrote: »Fists did suck, for a few reasons. There was no interval tome, there was no interval cape, not many people were 99+ meaning no HH99. Lunar claws were incredibly hard to get, HH90 zerk fists were really expensive because you couldn't get mysterious chips so easily. They were still viable for PvE but without genies for skills like Occult Ice and the event gear they weren't any use in PvP. Now they are.
This. 3.33 atk/s at lvl 95.0 -
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Would have to be, with hh90 interval bracers, event tome, lunar cape and lunar claw you end up with 2.5 atks/sec normally. You can't go to 3.33 atk/sec until 99 with both hh99 heavy and LA.Wondering how much longer these **** packs are going to be around.0
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I'm doing fine with just my pole, and if nothing bad happens I will always be so. But, in case I need another path, I'd choose swords, just because ppl always seem to use axes and I don't like using fists.100% F2P player. Started PW: March 2007, Quit PW: March 2011.
pwcalc.com/e7016929e7b204ae "Pure axe" 8k HP multipath BM, last one of my kind.0 -
To the OP,
Not everything is this freaking entire universe is DPS related only... so shut up and learn how to use all the weapons. Or at least the ones you like. Don't like swords? Cool. Don't waste SP on them.
I'm a sword, axe and fist BM here... and just because i dont use spear you won't hear me say "i hate them". I just dont use them. Doesn't mean they can't be used by someone who has a min. amount of brains well enough.
So yeah, go back to your cave with all the sword/fist/axe/pole haters... u guys should make a club or something.0 -
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »Here I will go through a few points I've heard sword bms make, and then refute them.
1. Swords have a high DPS
Fists are higher
2. Spirit chaser is an extra ranged attack
So is Farstrike, and a better one.
3. Atmos strike can knock back
So can Meteor Rush
4. Atmos strike is the highest possible no chi spike damage skill
True, until sage farstrike of course, but it has an 8 second cooldown so in terms of skill spamming axes and even polearm would still dish out more spike damage in one combo.
5. Myriad Sword Stance can be used to prevent a party wipe
So can the genie skill Absolute Domain, and it doesn't cost 2 sparks. Also, if you just squad with a good cleric this should be unnecessary anyway.
6. Myriad Sword Stance is the highest possible hitting skill
True, but any of the other 3 ultimates are more useful against barbs and bms, and you shouldn't have a problem killing arcanes anyway. It's still a useful skill, but there are MUCH better things to spend spirit on until level 85+
7. Swords look cool (Read the forums, you'll see this one a LOT)
So does Old Heaven's Tear armor, does that mean you're gonna use that as your main armor instead of TT90?
This is not an attack against Kniraven or any sword bm out there, I'm just not convinced that swords are in anyway useful.
Dude, you made some GOOD points (actually all were good)...but sometimes its not JUST about functionality, sometimes it maybe something as simple as swords ar the coolest looking (don't argue...this is a mere opinion) or something like I want the highest damaging skill from BM skill tree (correct me if I am wrong, but sword has one of the highest correct?) all I am trying to say is swords look cool...and you don't look at functionality when you like something (example - McDonalds is BAD for you...BUT it tasted good and so a ***** load of people eat is everyday...its not functional for your body but you like it...)
And secondly its not just sword users that are oblivious to the fact that their weapon choice makes no sense BUT its ALL BMs that swear by one type of weapon...what makes a BM so deadly is that they can use many weapons/many skills.
Good job with this whole swords are least functional compared to other weapons...but in the end it's just a matter of choice? Myself personally, I am a 4path BM...and so far it's working out SO WELL, I mean sure I have to spirit hunt once in a while but I mean if thats what it takes to unlock full potential of BM why not do it? Right now my BM is only 40 but I am leveling slow as I have to spirit hunt every couple levels to keep up with all 4 masteries and all 4 weapon path useful skills.0 -
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1. Swords have a high DPS
Fists are higher
2. Spirit chaser is an extra ranged attack
So is Farstrike, and a better one.
3. Atmos strike can knock back
So can Meteor Rush
4. Atmos strike is the highest possible no chi spike damage skill
True, until sage farstrike of course, but it has an 8 second cooldown so in terms of skill spamming axes and even polearm would still dish out more spike damage in one combo.
5. Myriad Sword Stance can be used to prevent a party wipe
So can the genie skill Absolute Domain, and it doesn't cost 2 sparks. Also, if you just squad with a good cleric this should be unnecessary anyway.
6. Myriad Sword Stance is the highest possible hitting skill
True, but any of the other 3 ultimates are more useful against barbs and bms, and you shouldn't have a problem killing arcanes anyway. It's still a useful skill, but there are MUCH better things to spend spirit on until level 85+
7. Swords look cool (Read the forums, you'll see this one a LOT)
So does Old Heaven's Tear armor, does that mean you're gonna use that as your main armor instead of TT90?
about Myriad Sword Stance: a "good" cleric can't substitute it exactly. It works nicely against medium chunked AOEs from bosses. This allows the cleric to stop heal for a short while then heal the other members up and then continue with healing tank. so why not BB instead. Well BB doesn't purify or allow the cleric to use manufactored apothocary potions and it has a longer initial channeling time.
about spirit chaser and atmos: they are simply nice skills. Spirit chaser is nice if you dont' wanna keep switching weapons around in a fight and need some quick range damage. Atmos is a nice knockback you wanna push a specific mob somewhere.
DPS: um it seems fine to me.and bro...fyi this isn't a story.
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inb4raye, perhaps?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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5/per sec with sword is greater then 5/per sec with fist
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8b14d19459b7842d
something like this... lolPlease donate money into my mailbox
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DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »5/per sec with sword is greater then 5/per sec with fist
5/per sec with axes is greater than 5/per sec with sword 0 -
Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver wrote: »Here I will go through a few points I've heard sword bms make, and then refute them.
1. Swords have a high DPS
Fists are higher
2. Spirit chaser is an extra ranged attack
So is Farstrike, and a better one.
3. Atmos strike can knock back
So can Meteor Rush
4. Atmos strike is the highest possible no chi spike damage skill
True, until sage farstrike of course, but it has an 8 second cooldown so in terms of skill spamming axes and even polearm would still dish out more spike damage in one combo.
5. Myriad Sword Stance can be used to prevent a party wipe
So can the genie skill Absolute Domain, and it doesn't cost 2 sparks. Also, if you just squad with a good cleric this should be unnecessary anyway.
6. Myriad Sword Stance is the highest possible hitting skill
True, but any of the other 3 ultimates are more useful against barbs and bms, and you shouldn't have a problem killing arcanes anyway. It's still a useful skill, but there are MUCH better things to spend spirit on until level 85+
7. Swords look cool (Read the forums, you'll see this one a LOT)
So does Old Heaven's Tear armor, does that mean you're gonna use that as your main armor instead of TT90?
This is not an attack against Kniraven or any sword bm out there, I'm just not convinced that swords are in anyway useful.Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »5/per sec with axes is greater than 5/per sec with sword
impossible to get -1 interval lolPlease donate money into my mailbox
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DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »impossible to get -1 interval lol
i was kidding -_-
sword has base of 0.9 interval
0.05 from cape, 0.05 from scroll of tome, 2 TT99HA/LA 0.1, Wrists 0.1, Nirvana Pants, 0.05.
End with .55 interval which is 1.82 atk/s
If you're awesome and have 0.15 wrists, you could get 2 atk/s, demon sparked is 2.87 atk/s. Bit far from off from 5 atk/s there :P0 -
Every weapon has Pros and Cons. Not everyone has the insight to know exactly what they are. By claiming that any weapon is "better" than any other, you merely make visible your own shortcomings of analytical judgement.
*Edit* As for DPS, maybe you want a weapon you can still DD without always stealing aggro from the barb, which, last I heard, is an issue that many consider to be annoying at least.0 -
Swords are probably better used for TW and possibly for bosses if there isn't a Barb in the party.Looking for a decent casual understanding Faction.0
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ehh fists are way cooler...but i love some of the sword skillsb:surrenderTheEmpire
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MystiMonk - Sanctuary wrote: »Swords are probably better used for TW and possibly for bosses if there isn't a Barb in the party.
O_o
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nvm my post......0
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Filet - Heavens Tear wrote: »5/per sec with axes is greater than 5/per sec with sword
25/sec fistb:angryb:angry0 -
Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
(waiting for people to realize that they can use all of these weapons and that "best" dosent exist)b:cute
+1DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »5/per sec with sword is greater then 5/per sec with fist
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8b14d19459b7842d
something like this... lol
Why do people put Heaven's Wrath (Cleric's Red Bubble) as a buff when showing off stats in pwcalculator ? Yeah a cleric is really going to follow you around so you get that attack rate all the time... /sarcasm0 -
DrkLordZ - Sanctuary wrote: »5/per sec with sword is greater then 5/per sec with fist
http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=8b14d19459b7842d
something like this... lol
Yeah.... too bad that cape doesn't exist. b:bye[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
"Closing this for excess letter Q's" - hawk0 -
wow lol at this................... first of there's several different swords to use. sword,blade,dual swords,dual blades. w/ refines 95 lunar glade hits hard hell and 98 demonic rebutal not bad either. However like all the other smart non fail bm's in this thread have pointed out, if you think just 1 weapon path is the "best" you sir just need to b:shutup. *side note* depending on your HP Myraid hits harder than flash (demon myraid)I dont level Slow I just enjoy the game b:surrender0
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