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RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

So then just another player who does not know how to use their class b:surrender

I agree. It's one thing to oracle a cleric, barb, or BM or other class just for a buff or to help you out in a party that's missing a class, but if you are rerolling to play a different class as your main character oracles aren't the way to be pro at that class.

edit: HI Rose^^

Devoted - Lost City wrote: »

too bad your character wont be on lost city. i think ill be camping oracles the first month of the expansion.

let me join you.
b:sin
b:beg

Gaara_Chuko - Heavens Tear wrote: »

this may sound lame but i think a great player is not the one that lvl's up fast i think a great player is the one that haves fun and does not rush through the game to get to "endgame" tho i dont think pve is the best way to enjoy the game but i wont judge anyone for that.i am truly a pvp player i live up every single 1v1 know what i have to get better in and at the same time learn about that other class.as i have been a pvp player since i first started pwi in my bm right now im considered a threat for lvl 60's not that i can say the same thing about my bm.. so when i lose a duel or something i dont get mad i get inspired to get better cause i think those that bring excuses when they lose or insult the other one is a bad loser.anyways pvp is my way to have fun in pwi but even tho im a pvp player i dont rush through the lvl's that is all.

yes, you're a great PvP performer! I guess you're not banned right now because you managed to kill no-one inside cube's buggy PvP enabled zone.

well geez RAWR much?

Hmm...Well time for my two cents ^^

There is nothing wrong with using oracles to level. I wish I could do it :<
In the long run, it could hurt your ability to perform in TW, and maybe a little random world map pvp, but thats about it. It's not hard to learn how to use proper skills at the proper time; it's a basic trial and error learning system. One combo works once, doesn't work again, reflect, alter and succeed.

People QQ'ing about oracle leveled chars are either jealous that they can't get their own chars up that fast, or really believe that it's a bad idea, and will create fail characters. That's not a fair way of thinking, but everyone is entitled to their opinion.

As far as the tideborn are concerned, it seems that people think an oracled assassin/psychic is going to be fail because the player won't know how to play the class like a pro. Well, all I have to say about that is that the player will know more about how to play their oracled tideborn than any other player will know how to defend against them. It doesn't matter if an assassin is 90 in a month and doesn't quite have the mastery of all his skills if no one has seen one in action before. It's a pretty fair advantage on both sides I'd say.

-ROFL

RedsRose - Lost City wrote: »

So then just another player who does not know how to use their class b:surrender

Even sadder, pple will think the noob way is the norm way

Oracle are to give you a boost, not get you all the way. I'll probably get some pack and get nothing but oracles, so I'll use them on one of the new classes, but I doubt I'll have more than 100 oracles to use.

Learning your character deals with stretch your characters limits. Oracles are only a few encounters your character will have. As an archer I've tanked bosses, done hh, rebirth, lunar, frostcity, tw, pk, dragon temple, city of abominations, etc. Doing a variety of things has allowed me to learn my character strengths and weaknesses, and which stat build is best for my play style. For those of you who go into into an instance and die too many times because you oracled your way to 90, don't qq. Learning along the way is more exciting in my opinion. Those that do the quests from 1-90 will have their character 75% mastered I think. Yeah the oracle babies will be able to master their class over time, but I think it won't be any faster than those who didn't oracle up. Yes the oracle babies will be the first to have hh/tt90 gear, but that doesn't mean that you know how to play your class any better than the lvl29 who just got his first chi spark.

As far as the assasin goes, since an archer is the closest thing to it that is widely played in terms of light armor and high dps, I think many will be surprised to find out how weak it is for a melee class. There is a reason why archers run/kite when melee classes get to close. Unless you've played a light armor fist BM, it will be hard to know what the assasin will be like. After oracling up an assasin you might find that you've made some mistakes. The mistakes won't be irreversable, but you'll just have to charge more zhen.

As far as the psychic, I've never played a magic user enough to know anything about good builds or what it's play style is like. So I'm not going to bother trying to guess what it will be like.

I know I'm kinda going back against my premise here, but I'm glad some people are going to not listen and use oracles to lvl up the new classes. They can write the first class guides and wikis. That way I don't have to make all the mistakes they made and have to charge zhen to my account to fix it.

Kitsuneh - Lost City wrote: »

I dont see your point. How can oracle char be in advantage if other player has played 3 months and he knows how every skill works? I would beat 8x oracle veno anytime.

Sort of restating ROFLMAOMFG's response to this quoted post, as he said, in the tideborne situation, everyone would of had the same time to play the new classes, regardless of oracles or not. The only difference is the ones who oracles will be higher level with more spirit (and probably more coins, if not from the oracles alone, their status has heavy cash shoppers probably means they have money too) and more skills. In trying out these new classes with trial and error, they'll have the slight upper hand in having more, and better skills.

Maybe it's not the majority, but iv'e met people that already know how to play the class and they oracle their way to high lvl so they can have a TW char ready to go in adittion to it's main character. That way if a TW squad lacks a cleric o a tank for example, they just swich alts.

Other is greedy ppl that want to get into a TW faction just to get paid per battle.

As for the new classes, probably they'll play normally till they feel they 'mastered' the class and then create a new char and powerlevel the new toon or the one they already created.

Cirdan - Lost City wrote: »

Oracle are to give you a boost, not get you all the way. I'll probably get some pack and get nothing but oracles, so I'll use them on one of the new classes, but I doubt I'll have more than 100 oracles to use.

Learning your character deals with stretch your characters limits. Oracles are only a few encounters your character will have. As an archer I've tanked bosses, done hh, rebirth, lunar, frostcity, tw, pk, dragon temple, city of abominations, etc. Doing a variety of things has allowed me to learn my character strengths and weaknesses, and which stat build is best for my play style. For those of you who go into into an instance and die too many times because you oracled your way to 90, don't qq. Learning along the way is more exciting in my opinion. Those that do the quests from 1-90 will have their character 75% mastered I think. Yeah the oracle babies will be able to master their class over time, but I think it won't be any faster than those who didn't oracle up. Yes the oracle babies will be the first to have hh/tt90 gear, but that doesn't mean that you know how to play your class any better than the lvl29 who just got his first chi spark.

As far as the assasin goes, since an archer is the closest thing to it that is widely played in terms of light armor and high dps, I think many will be surprised to find out how weak it is for a melee class. There is a reason why archers run/kite when melee classes get to close. Unless you've played a light armor fist BM, it will be hard to know what the assasin will be like. After oracling up an assasin you might find that you've made some mistakes. The mistakes won't be irreversable, but you'll just have to charge more zhen.

As far as the psychic, I've never played a magic user enough to know anything about good builds or what it's play style is like. So I'm not going to bother trying to guess what it will be like.

I know I'm kinda going back against my premise here, but I'm glad some people are going to not listen and use oracles to lvl up the new classes. They can write the first class guides and wikis. That way I don't have to make all the mistakes they made and have to charge zhen to my account to fix it.

cant agree with you more, makes me remember some good times on my archer lmao.

Like one time I was in fb 69 with some friends and a herc veno was luring the boss and a friend and i (archers) like a bunch of idiots said "Lets race and see if we will die when we run away from the boss" this was the one with the horrible debuff aoe btw XD.

So naturally we are there and the veno lures the boss....BUT she had the reflection on her herc, so anything that hit the herc got aggroed LMAO. So my friend and i see these mobs running fast toward us and we scream in guild chat "Holy **** RUN!!!!!!" The barb and the cleric that stayed behind naturally said "What are you talking about" and you see me and my archer friend (that wingrised) Runn so fast in the other direction.

The Barb (trying to be a hero) runs and takes aggro of the boss with the cleric healing and the veno running away....But she didnt make it LMAO. She got caught as he gets the boss. So the cleric tries to rez her and now there are like 10 mobs on the barb. He drops like a fly and they go for the cleric. He tries to plume shell, but as the animation comes up he dies. And lo and behold me and my friend are near the entrance of the big room where this all happens, laughing our a**es off. At the end, the other archer says "God u gotta love wingrise" Funniest thing I have ever seen in my life.

Now if you are an oracler, you may not build up friendships, you may not be able to do your fb 69 with friends, and you may not have fun times you can remember for a lifetime unless you consider

" Ya man, I remember the time when i killed the same mob...... thousands of times. Ya man it was crazy"

a good memory.

So live, laugh, learning like the rest of us sure beats being a high level noob at your class, dont u think?b:victory

Gimme some! >:P as long as your in Lost City... b:shocked