"What's the best class?" >.>
Zanryu - Dreamweaver
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I feel like ending all threads that ask "which class is the best for PvP?".
This is the only true answer. Each class can beat every other class, it just depends who's more skilled with the class they play. Gear is a major factor, as are genies, the level of the skilsl used, and the weapon, but the point is...
NO CLASS IS COMPLETELY BETTER THAN ALL OTHERS, EACH HAS AN EQUAL CHANCE TO COMPETE IN PVP.
Thanks for you're time b:bye
This is the only true answer. Each class can beat every other class, it just depends who's more skilled with the class they play. Gear is a major factor, as are genies, the level of the skilsl used, and the weapon, but the point is...
NO CLASS IS COMPLETELY BETTER THAN ALL OTHERS, EACH HAS AN EQUAL CHANCE TO COMPETE IN PVP.
Thanks for you're time b:bye
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Veno is the best b:victory
I don't have any event stuff on my veno and I'm lvl 93.
However I can kill 9x barbs/bms/wizzys/archers and most times 10x also most of them have nearly all event stuff b:chuckle
Or maybe its because Im just a skilled veno..
I dunno b:laugh
Yes your right most of them do have a chance to compete PvP though.0 -
Then I commend you on your PvP skills, it's nice to know someone has some real skill. Then again if you're using a nix to fight with what you claim to do isn't all that impressive. Either way good job.0
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Well good player with good equips can beat any class lower lvl/same lvl/slightly higher lvl almost everytime.
But overall taking out the player skill factor here's how I see it after all my PW experience (regarding 1 vs 1 free pk):
Blademaster - Good early game, good middle game, worst endgame.
Wizard - Worst early game, worst middle game, best endgame.
Barbarian - Average early game, good middle game, very good endgame.
Venomancer (with nix) - Very good early game, very good middle game, good endgame.
Archer - Best early game, best middle game, average endgame.
Cleric - Good early game, good middle game, average endgame.
PREDICTIONS FOR NEW CLASSES:
Assassin - (probably a mirror image of a fist blademaster) Good early game, Good middle game, bad/worst endgame.
Psychic - (assuming the damage is around what a veno can do) Good early game, average middle game, average endgame.
Early game-lvl 30(pk enabled)->lvl59(start getting ultimate skills)
Middle game-lvl 59->lvl 89(demon/sage paths)
Endgame-lvl 89->105(max lvl)0 -
well first of all...did u ever had an archer higher than lvl 80?...they own!! of course they#re not the best but with theier cris and pure dex builds they kill pretty much everything, njot to mention the demon skills. even barbs weren't a prob for me8not everyone) some were persistent but archers do have mag skills. so the thing with the "avarage endgame" is not true. archers have a hard time at first since a pure build(a real pvp archer) is pretty vurnerable but at the end they are pretty good.
and now for ur prediction...well assasin is more like an archer just close combat. so i guess they will be pretty good at endgame since the cloak skill will be used even in combat at late lvls....as well as cris and dex....so not even clsoe to a bm. dunno bout psychic though since i'm not interested in them.....want to make a assasin myself ^^
p.s i dont wanna make the archer as a god class^^ i'm just saying that they are pretty good at endgame...own experience^^0 -
well first of all...did u ever had an archer higher than lvl 80?...they own!! of course they#re not the best but with theier cris and pure dex builds they kill pretty much everything, njot to mention the demon skills. even barbs weren't a prob for me8not everyone) some were persistent but archers do have mag skills. so the thing with the "avarage endgame" is not true. archers have a hard time at first since a pure build(a real pvp archer) is pretty vurnerable but at the end they are pretty good.
and now for ur prediction...well assasin is more like an archer just close combat. so i guess they will be pretty good at endgame since the cloak skill will be used even in combat at late lvls....as well as cris and dex....so not even clsoe to a bm. dunno bout psychic though since i'm not interested in them.....want to make a assasin myself ^^
p.s i dont wanna make the archer as a god class^^ i'm just saying that they are pretty good at endgame...own experience^^
Everything I've said was how I saw things. I played 2 versions of PW, but I can be wrong. The thing about archers is that you can be good endgame but you need good equips, more than any other class. A +8 bow will of course make you a real force, but a wizard or cleric can be dangerous even with poor equip. Archers are very good if you have the cash.
As for assassin, believe me, I want to like it but when I look at the cons I lose my faith. Low hp, lower damage than a wizard, archer and cleric for sure. You'll see in the skill description that it misses the "+ XXX% weapon damage". So I believe he will hit the same as a BM, which frankly isn't enough. I heard rumors that he is not going to have DEX based damage. So it means his daggers will need about 5str every 2 lvls. So his crit rate will not be the same as an archer. Also he has almost no range attacks and he can be kited. Endgame magic classes just get too much HP and physical def. and hit too hard and the assassin doesn't have the HP of the barb to turn the tables.
I hope I'm wrong. I for one I have some hopes for the psy but depends on how efficient is the damage reflect.0 -
Blademaster - Good early game, good middle game, worst endgame.
Wizard - Worst early game, worst middle game, best endgame.
Barbarian - Average early game, good middle game, very good endgame.
Venomancer (with nix) - Very good early game, very good middle game, good endgame.
Archer - Best early game, best middle game, average endgame.
Cleric - Good early game, good middle game, average endgame.
I haven't quite gotten to the end game levels but I disagree on the Cleric line. The class is a whole lot stronger than it gets credit for. In both early and mid game, I have -never- gotten killed by a same or slightly higher lvl archer, bm, barb, or non-nix veno. I think in early and mid, nix venos are by far the natural strongest. The rest really depends on a character's build and focus.
Edit: I think:
Venomancer (with nix) - Best early game, Best middle game, ? endgame.
Archer - average early game, average middle game, ? endgame.
Cleric - Good early game, good middle game, ? endgame.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
What is this 'res' you speak of? b:cute0 -
well first of all...did u ever had an archer higher than lvl 80?...they own!! of course they#re not the best but with theier cris and pure dex builds they kill pretty much everything, njot to mention the demon skills. even barbs weren't a prob for me8not everyone) some were persistent but archers do have mag skills. so the thing with the "avarage endgame" is not true. archers have a hard time at first since a pure build(a real pvp archer) is pretty vurnerable but at the end they are pretty good.
and now for ur prediction...well assasin is more like an archer just close combat. so i guess they will be pretty good at endgame since the cloak skill will be used even in combat at late lvls....as well as cris and dex....so not even clsoe to a bm. dunno bout psychic though since i'm not interested in them.....want to make a assasin myself ^^
p.s i dont wanna make the archer as a god class^^ i'm just saying that they are pretty good at endgame...own experience^^
Well my archer is level 85 and Zanryu it isn't just about the nix, sure it'll deal damage but a 10x wiz etc aint exactly just gonna stand and take it lol, also you gotta watch nix's hp, cast skills etc according to who your fighting b:chuckle
oh and my set on veno is all +2, there sets are like +10 lunar weapons etc lol and I use a requiem sword or whatever its called b:sad0 -
Vivre - Harshlands wrote: »I haven't quite gotten to the end game levels but I disagree on the Cleric line. The class is a whole lot stronger than it gets credit for. In both early and mid game, I have -never- gotten killed by a same or slightly higher lvl archer, bm, barb, or non-nix veno. I think in early and mid, nix venos are by far the natural strongest. The rest really depends on a character's build and focus.
Edit: I think:
Venomancer (with nix) - Best early game, Best middle game, ? endgame.
Archer - average early game, average middle game, ? endgame.
Cleric - Good early game, good middle game, ? endgame.
Well I know for a fact that archers are better than average.b:chuckle As for clerics I can't place them right. I saw very good ones and I saw some getting crushed 1 on 1. I guess cleric is the most player skill dependent class. It can either be really good or really bad.0 -
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Sewagerat - Lost City wrote: »The best class is Chuck Norris.
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Sleep+debuff+Tempest=RIP Chuck = chuck norris's 3rd fist to the face. Norris.b:victory
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I know it's not about the nix only, but over 50% of the time when a veno has a nix they have almost no idea about how to PvP. To them it's "OMG! I got a **** bird that lets me pwn!" so they send in the pet and just press keys. I do love running into skilled nix venos though, they're so fun! lil if you're skilled with your nix, and don't let it do all the work then I'm proud for you bud, because I don't really see that very often.b:surrender0
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Assassin is like a wizard, so expect it to play the same.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »Assassin is like a wizard, so expect it to play the same.
How's that?b:shocked
Wiz=WTFdamage (basic magic attack+100-500%weapon+WTFhuge bonus damage).
Sin=basic physical damage(which is lower than mag and misses)+not that great bonus damage).
Wiz=pew pew from afar.
Sin=poke poke hand to hand.
Wiz=undine strike+sutra combo/ungodly ultimate.
Sin=assume fetal position and scream for mommy.0 -
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Stop arguing about a class that hasn't even been released yet and will most likely have changes to its skills within two months. But feel free to argue about the classes already out, even though it's pointless since each class has a good chance against all other classes. It just depends on the skill of the player.0
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How's that?b:shocked
Wiz=WTFdamage (basic magic attack+100-500%weapon+WTFhuge bonus damage).
Sin=basic physical damage(which is lower than mag and misses)+not that great bonus damage).
Wiz=pew pew from afar.
Sin=poke poke hand to hand.
Wiz=undine strike+sutra combo/ungodly ultimate.
Sin=assume fetal position and scream for mommy.
The assassin stats are the same as a wizards stats. Same pvp ability, same grinding ability, same difficulty of play etc. Just wiz is magic and psy is melee. And both are squishySins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »The assassin stats are the same as a wizards stats. Same pvp ability, same grinding ability, same difficulty of play etc. Just wiz is magic and psy is melee. And both are squishy
No, the Assassin is more like a archer because they both use light armor, both have Dex like builds (Info came from Korren) and both have high crits. But assassins are melee not ranged.
So, yes you may be true on some statements but wrong on others.
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Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »Stop arguing about a class that hasn't even been released yet and will most likely have changes to its skills within two months. But feel free to argue about the classes already out, even though it's pointless since each class has a good chance against all other classes. It just depends on the skill of the player.
True every class can go against every other class.
But, some harder to kill than others counting of what class you are and who you are fighting.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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SilverCleric - Lost City wrote: »[/B]
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True every class can go against every other class.
But, some harder to kill than others counting of what class you are and who you are fighting.
True, some classes are harder to beat than others but that does sort of tie into my point because it takes skill to beat them.0 -
Zanryu - Dreamweaver wrote: »I feel like ending all threads that ask "which class is the best for PvP?".
This is the only true answer. Each class can beat every other class, it just depends who's more skilled with the class they play. Gear is a major factor, as are genies, the level of the skilsl used, and the weapon, but the point is...
NO CLASS IS COMPLETELY BETTER THAN ALL OTHERS, EACH HAS AN EQUAL CHANCE TO COMPETE IN PVP.
Thanks for you're time b:bye
That is complete bs lol. There are some classes that are better than others in pvp endgame, even with same gear and lvls, you will never have an equal chance to compete in pvp playing the wrong class.
I wanna see a cleric having a fair and equal fight against a fully geared endgame hell barb with 50% crit after using onslaught and than doing 30k dmg with ToP Armageddon LOL. Or a Bm trying to beat a rank 8 wizards without getting 1-3 shoot.
I never seen a MMO where classes are balanced tho so its to be expected that some classes are slightly more beneficial to play in pvp.0 -
Honey I don't exactly know where you get this list of bulls from but saying fist BM is best at the beginning and worst at the end is the dullest thing you've said in your life, b:angry please dont write something if you dont even know exactly what the class can do XD also, BM can use LA or HA, so again your opinion is sh***d, as for a being a fist BM myself with LA I take any wiz, cleric n veno my level or even higherWell good player with good equips can beat any class lower lvl/same lvl/slightly higher lvl almost everytime.
But overall taking out the player skill factor here's how I see it after all my PW experience (regarding 1 vs 1 free pk):
Blademaster - Good early game, good middle game, worst endgame.
Wizard - Worst early game, worst middle game, best endgame.
Barbarian - Average early game, good middle game, very good endgame.
Venomancer (with nix) - Very good early game, very good middle game, good endgame.
Archer - Best early game, best middle game, average endgame.
Cleric - Good early game, good middle game, average endgame.
PREDICTIONS FOR NEW CLASSES:
Assassin - (probably a mirror image of a fist blademaster) Good early game, Good middle game, bad/worst endgame.
Psychic - (assuming the damage is around what a veno can do) Good early game, average middle game, average endgame.
Early game-lvl 30(pk enabled)->lvl59(start getting ultimate skills)
Middle game-lvl 59->lvl 89(demon/sage paths)
Endgame-lvl 89->105(max lvl)0 -
in terms of PK power it goes
wizard -> barb -> nix veno -> archer/bm -> cleric.Less QQ more Pew Pewb:thanks
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Jeran - Harshlands wrote: »Honey I don't exactly know where you get this list of bulls from but saying fist BM is best at the beginning and worst at the end is the dullest thing you've said in your life, b:angry please dont write something if you dont even know exactly what the class can do XD also, BM can use LA or HA, so again your opinion is sh***d, as for a being a fist BM myself with LA I take any wiz, cleric n veno my level or even higher
I's so happy that things turned out good for your fist BM. As for your little rage outburst I've seen better so it doesn't impress me. My observations were made after a long time spent in this game so I may know a thing or two. And by no mean I said that ALL BMS are pure fail, I think you'll find in my posts that I've said that player skill can raise the succes rate of any class. Please reframe from petty flaming. Kaytnxbye.
PS I/m not your "honey".0 -
TigerLily - Lost City wrote: »That is complete bs lol. There are some classes that are better than others in pvp endgame, even with same gear and lvls, you will never have an equal chance to compete in pvp playing the wrong class.
I wanna see a cleric having a fair and equal fight against a fully geared endgame hell barb with 50% crit after using onslaught and than doing 30k dmg with ToP Armageddon LOL. Or a Bm trying to beat a rank 8 wizards without getting 1-3 shoot.
I never seen a MMO where classes are balanced tho so its to be expected that some classes are slightly more beneficial to play in pvp.
You can't use one player out of the whole class to try and prove a point. Obviously there will be some players that are good at their class and can beat others no matter what class they are, but that ties into my point that each class is good at PvP and has an equal chance to win, it just depends on the skill of the player. If you're going to try to prove me wrong, at least say something that doesn't back up what I post.Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »in terms of PK power it goes
wizard -> barb -> nix veno -> archer/bm -> cleric.
Even if there is a certain order of power, that doesn't mean general worst of the classes can't take down the best. Even at this level, though it's not end game, I can beat Archers, Blademasters, and Barbarians which are supposed to be able to take down the arcane classes relatively easy.0 -
Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »in terms of PK power it goes
wizard -> barb -> nix veno -> archer/bm -> cleric.
Stickygreen gets pwn'd by clerics so LolHeMadb:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]b:shutup0 -
I's so happy that things turned out good for your fist BM. As for your little rage outburst I've seen better so it doesn't impress me. My observations were made after a long time spent in this game so I may know a thing or two. And by no mean I said that ALL BMS are pure fail, I think you'll find in my posts that I've said that player skill can raise the succes rate of any class. Please reframe from petty flaming. Kaytnxbye.
PS I/m not your "honey".
well considering that bm is a skill based class....
like how your best > worst rating is
classes that can CS to win > clases who cant
its almost like being a bm takes skill timing etc
also yes a fist bm past 9x can hit you rediculously hard
past 99? fisters get an even higher power boost than wizzies here
(demon cyclone heel lionheart ashura split set striking dragons)
meh havent noticed and big differance in pvp power lvl in classes so far outside of some getting more from CSing...player skill > your ignoranceGifs are hard to make work here0 -
Stickygreen - Heavens Tear wrote: »in terms of PK power it goes
wizard -> barb -> nix veno -> archer/bm -> cleric.[/QUOT
im not endgame lvl but from what ive seen as long as you have really good gear and learn to use your class effectivly you have a pretty decent chance against any other class. I do agree with tigerlily though that some endgame classes are better than others in pvp, but tbh i get into a lot more mass pvp than 1 v 1 pvp so i think that you have to take that into consideration as well. also, i havnt seen a mage with rank 8 yet....so im not worried about them bc they must be pretty rare. plus, as a veno-if you get hell ironwood and it prox-and i have nix-your dead even if your a 10x barb bc you have no p. def at all. <
this is what ive been told by higher lvls^^0 -
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With GOOD gear, barbs and wiz's at end-game lvls, are the best pkers. I don't die to my lvls in pvp unless Im ganked, Yea, some classes are harder to kill then others, but in the end, if you are a good player and know the role of your class, you win.0
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