my opinion on demonVS.sage
_Krue_ - Heavens Tear
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I read a lot of QQ threads and roaring rampage posts about which was better and blah blah.
So before choosing which i was gunna go for, i decided to check out the skills benefits here, http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php .
And i would have to say, hands down , sage is better then demon.
(omg there was no reason for me to post this but I FEEL LIKE SHARING HOW OBVIOUS THE CHOICE IS!)
b:victory
So before choosing which i was gunna go for, i decided to check out the skills benefits here, http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php .
And i would have to say, hands down , sage is better then demon.
(omg there was no reason for me to post this but I FEEL LIKE SHARING HOW OBVIOUS THE CHOICE IS!)
b:victory
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_Krue_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »I read a lot of QQ threads and roaring rampage posts about which was better and blah blah.
So before choosing which i was gunna go for, i decided to check out the skills benefits here, http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php .
And i would have to say, hands down , sage is better then demon.
(omg there was no reason for me to post this but I FEEL LIKE SHARING HOW OBVIOUS THE CHOICE IS!)
b:victory
For me it was obvious too. And I could choose better. Lot of chi is absolutely stunning.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
_Krue_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »I read a lot of QQ threads and roaring rampage posts about which was better and blah blah.
So before choosing which i was gunna go for, i decided to check out the skills benefits here, http://www.ecatomb.net/pwi/skillpwi.php .
And i would have to say, hands down , sage is better then demon.
(omg there was no reason for me to post this but I FEEL LIKE SHARING HOW OBVIOUS THE CHOICE IS!)
b:victory
And what makes you think us wizards care about your opinion on this?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
if it were so obvious, why am I so glad I'm not holy? that's because I've played both cultivations, and I can honestly say that dark is better.
I can glitch holy cryonite to give me crit buff without even using it or the vigor. that still doesn't persuade me to be holy.0 -
if it were so obvious, why am I so glad I'm not holy? that's because I've played both cultivations, and I can honestly say that dark is better.
I can glitch holy cryonite to give me crit buff without even using it or the vigor. that still doesn't persuade me to be holy.
oh do share?
And i think you wizzies care about my opinion because i am a wiz too!
I just can't change my forum avatar to it for some reason
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if it were so obvious, why am I so glad I'm not holy? that's because I've played both cultivations, and I can honestly say that dark is better.
I can glitch holy cryonite to give me crit buff without even using it or the vigor. that still doesn't persuade me to be holy.
not 2 sound mean but privte server doesnt count as much (i assume ur a prvite server user since u said holy and not sage and u said u played both cult which could take u a while on non privte server and on non privte server to make 2 wiz lvl 89 is abit dumb)0 -
I say holy because it's what I'm accustome to. Sage sounds ****. I come from the malaysian server 'delphi', where it's called holy instead of sage.
I've played both because, haha, I have friends *show stopper*. I've played 2 holy mages in my life: a 101, rank 8, pure int mage and a 96 light armoured mage. I play a level 96 dark mage, pure int. or.. use to. I got banned a couple of weeks ago.
even without my 99 skills to play with, I easily choose dark over holy.0 -
I say holy because it's what I'm accustome to. Sage sounds ****. I come from the malaysian server 'delphi', where it's called holy instead of sage.
I've played both because, haha, I have friends *show stopper*. I've played 2 holy mages in my life: a 101, rank 8, pure int mage and a 96 light armoured mage. I play a level 96 dark mage, pure int. or.. use to. I got banned a couple of weeks ago.
even without my 99 skills to play with, I easily choose dark over holy.
oh so what your saying is
"Blah blah blah i don't know what i'm talking about, blah blah blah, lie, blah blah not get lvl 99 skills cuz teh da newb, blah blah QQ"
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forp has made plenty of good posts in the past, I have a lot of respect for his opinion.
I would love to have some of the dark skills, you get two stuns (stone rain, emberstorm), an extra freeze (pitfall), and improved freeze on hailstorm. Sage gets dragon breath for aoe stun, but that's much more of a TW skill than a world pvp skill.
There are a couple other skills that are unambiguously better for dark, too. The only real arguments for sage are TW-based.0 -
_Krue_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »oh so what your saying is
"Blah blah blah i don't know what i'm talking about, blah blah blah, lie, blah blah not get lvl 99 skills cuz teh da newb, blah blah QQ"
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no, what I'm saying is:
"Blah blah blah, I'm smarter than you. I don't have my 99 skills because I'm not level 99. Blah blah I'm smarter than you."
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Calliope - Heavens Tear wrote: »forp has made plenty of good posts in the past, I have a lot of respect for his opinion.
I would love to have some of the dark skills, you get two stuns (stone rain, emberstorm), an extra freeze (pitfall), and improved freeze on hailstorm. Sage gets dragon breath for aoe stun, but that's much more of a TW skill than a world pvp skill.
There are a couple other skills that are unambiguously better for dark, too. The only real arguments for sage are TW-based.
a sage can PK too. Sage stone rain is pretty much sandstorm with the time of pyrogram. GS and DP debuffs means you dont have to stop and undine all the time. Few others im too lazy to say. Ask me again when its not 4 AM x.x
TW reasons are obvious
PvE reasons are obvious too
All 3 parts of the game!Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
sage & demon both have some good benifits they both have there uses there is no best & the most important factor is how you play your wizzie & how much you no about your classCollector of pet eggs, armor, weapons, fashion, and mountsb:chuckle0
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no, what I'm saying is:
"Blah blah blah, I'm smarter than you. I don't have my 99 skills because I'm not level 99. Blah blah I'm smarter than you."
b:bye
I've played both heaven and hell and I easily choose heaven over hell. I know another mage who has played both and agrees with me as well.
Playing a character does not make you know it, level it up or gtfo. People make fun of people who buy accounts because they know nothing about it, same thing if you just play a friends account.0 -
I don't get it. Why you people don't understand, that MOST important for mage is chi? Without chi you are as a mage almost useless. How often can demon use 3spark(and less channeling -25% for 15s, if you don't have chi?) Also now I'm barely out of mana, because I can use sparks much more often. I can use chi for faster flying(I don't have sage shrink yet, so it will be even faster). My DPT(damage per time) rapidly increased thanks to sparks eruption. When I start game I don't need to heal and gain chi. Just using master li technique and I have immediately chi for barriers or anything.
BTW I was with 1 demon mage in FF and as we were fighting against the bosses I was using sparks eruption at least as 2x often. He asked me how I can use sparks so often?b:pleased I was using master li, elemental shell,and pyro. And I don't telling about DB, which I can use anytime now, because I have always at least 1 spark.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »I don't get it. Why you people don't understand, that MOST important for mage is chi? Without chi you are as a mage almost useless. How often can demon use 3spark(and less channeling for 15s, if you don't have chi?) Also now I'm barely out of mana, because I can use sparks much more often. I can use chi for faster flying(I don't have sage shrink yet, so it will be even faster). My DPT(damage per time) rapidly increased thanks to sparks eruption. When I start game I don't need to heal and gain chi. Just using master li technique and I have immediately chi for barriers or anything.
BTW I was with 1 demon mage in FF and as we were fighting against the bosses I was using sparks eruption at least as 2x often. He asked me how I can use sparks so often?b:pleased I was using master li, elemental shell,and pyro.
I dont get it. Why do you KEEP posting this same DAMN piece of text about chi bla chi bla mage bla important for mage bla. WE GET IT, YOU LOVE SAGE. Please... Let the demon wizards be demon and STOP with this insane writing in every topic about chi. There is more in life than CHI.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Take it easy. Just explain how chi is important to _Krue_ -CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »I dont get it. Why do you KEEP posting this same DAMN piece of text about chi bla chi bla mage bla important for mage bla. WE GET IT, YOU LOVE SAGE. Please... Let the demon wizards be demon and STOP with this insane writing in every topic about chi. There is more in life than CHI.
b:laugh If you have problem with it, don't read it. How simple.b:laughb:laugh[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »Take it easy. Just explain how chi is important to _Krue_ -
b:laugh If you have problem with it, don't read it. How simple.b:laughb:laugh
Important, but not everything. Not nearly everything. If you as a mage can only be successful with chi, you need to relearn your class.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »Important, but not everything. Not nearly everything. If you as a mage can only be successful with chi, you need to relearn your class.
No, but it helps a lot. b:pleased[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Lol at people still discussing this ****
@ OP you're a 7x archer on a PVE serv, no one cares about your opinion. Go troll at the waiting line for wicked pirates0 -
I wouldn't be in pk mode if I thought sage mages couldn't handle it (I went sage, so it's not like I think sage is a bad choice). Honestly, I'd be fine in pk even if I'd never picked a culti. It's a question of which one is better, not whether we're good enough (we are!).Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »a sage can PK too. Sage stone rain is pretty much sandstorm with the time of pyrogram. GS and DP debuffs means you dont have to stop and undine all the time. Few others im too lazy to say. Ask me again when its not 4 AM x.x
TW reasons are obvious
PvE reasons are obvious too
All 3 parts of the game!
I didn't bring up PvE reasons because PvE is super easy. It really doesn't matter which culti you pick if you're not going to pvp or TW.0 -
Calliope - Heavens Tear wrote: »I didn't bring up PvE reasons because PvE is super easy. It really doesn't matter which culti you pick if you're not going to pvp or TW.
Let's add to this conclusions that in my opinion, Demon is more fun than Sage in PVE, because we mages kill in PVE anyway.
A stun here and there, a nice triple spark, good enough for me in pve. [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Damaged - Lost City wrote: »Lol at people still discussing this ****
@ OP you're a 7x archer on a PVE serv, no one cares about your opinion. Go troll at the waiting line for wicked pirates
Who said i don't have a high level mage O________o Who said it wasn't on a PVP server either b:cold[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Celia, im not sure about you, but there were many times when i wished i had chi to do something. If i just had enough chi, i couldve killed that person or if i just had enough chi, i couldve finished those mobs faster(in FC). Its really irritating when most of your squad based skills, require chi. Most mages realize this, and sage chi becomes more appealing. Chi is one of the core arguments for sage, telling her to not write about chi is like telling demon mages to not talk about demon spark and the -chan adds.CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »I dont get it. Why do you KEEP posting this same DAMN piece of text about chi bla chi bla mage bla important for mage bla. WE GET IT, YOU LOVE SAGE. Please... Let the demon wizards be demon and STOP with this insane writing in every topic about chi. There is more in life than CHI.CeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »Let's add to this conclusions that in my opinion, Demon is more fun than Sage in PVE, because we mages kill in PVE anyway. A stun here and there, a nice triple spark, good enough for me in pve.
Sage masteries make grinding faster, triple spark good for mob ganks(mobs dont hit that much anyway). DB that stuns.....ooo i just got a good aoe grinding idea
Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
its because half the time, its the only thing they know how to argue with, being broken records. ive not met any sages who've made convincing arguments that didnt revolve around the whole 'I LOVE MY CHOICE, MY FRIEND DOES TOO, AND WECeliaZ - Sanctuary wrote: »I dont get it. Why do you KEEP posting this same DAMN piece of text about chi bla chi bla mage bla important for mage bla. WE GET IT, YOU LOVE SAGE. Please... Let the demon wizards be demon and STOP with this insane writing in every topic about chi. There is more in life than CHI.
CHI."
to me, for plain pvp, demon has way better qualities about it, made a huge thread about it in general discussion a while ago. better dps, and better ways to control an enemy, and way better spark effects sound pretty good to me.
who cares about TW when your server's map is painted red, and aint changing.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
Reasons to go Sage
-You like having lot of chi
-You like being OP
-You like one shotting people
But, dont take my word, or a sage wiz word. Take an outsiders view..
/endthreadLegerity - Sanctuary wrote: »I suppose I should of done the comparison (in terms of damage) on a fully buffed Demon Archer (Sage Barbarian attack buff and Sage Frostblade... picking the "dominant" cultivation for each class of course) to a fully buffed Sage Wizard (i.e Sage Cleric matk buff etc) which would make it a bit cleaner in terms of "standard" aDPS.Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze0 -
_Krue_ - Heavens Tear wrote: »Who said i don't have a high level mage O________o Who said it wasn't on a PVP server either b:cold
Why else would you posting on that account?
Post on your "high level mage" that's "on a PVP server"
Until proven otherwise, my point remains valid0 -
Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »Celia, im not sure about you, but there were many times when i wished i had chi to do something. If i just had enough chi, i couldve killed that person or if i just had enough chi, i couldve finished those mobs faster(in FC).
You can also make the arguement, "if i only had more skill as a mage" or "if i only had more apothecary pots, event pots" etc etc etc. Chi isnt ABSOLUTELY everything.
Don't get me wrong I'm not saying you can't play your class, but that brings up a whole new arguement.0 -
i am an outsider as well. agreeance with the ignorant masses to prevent arguments doesnt make it 'superior'Take an outsiders view..[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »its because half the time, its the only thing they know how to argue with, being broken records. ive not met any sages who've made convincing arguments that didnt revolve around the whole 'I LOVE MY CHOICE, MY FRIEND DOES TOO, AND WE CHI."
to me, for plain pvp, demon has way better qualities about it, made a huge thread about it in general discussion a while ago. better dps, and better ways to control an enemy, and way better spark effects sound pretty good to me.
who cares about TW when your server's map is painted red, and aint changing.
You know why every sage mage likes chi and just telling about chi? Because difference to have chi and don't have chi is absolutely enormous and change way of playing completely. I know it, because before sage/demon decision I had low chi. And demon mage doesn't have more chi than I had before decision. So I know exactly how much chi demon has. So If I compare it, it's biiiiig + for sage.
Demon mage higher DPS? Maybe, but not DPT(damage per time). Just consider this. Can demon mage use every second minute 2spark? I can. So my damage increased is more than demon damage increased by few second/millisecond faster channeling. By the time this difference is growing. Master +50chi +elemental +15 + pyro chance +45chi.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Mumintroll - Heavens Tear wrote: »You know why every sage mage likes chi and just telling about chi? Because difference to have chi and don't have chi is absolutely enormous and change way of playing completely. I know it, because before sage/demon decision I had low chi. And demon mage doesn't have more chi than I had before decision. So I know exactly how much chi demon has. So If I compare it, it's biiiiig + for sage.
Demon mage higher DPS? Maybe, but not DPT(damage per time). Just consider this. Can demon mage use every second minute 2spark? I can. So my damage increased is more than demon damage increased by few second/millisecond faster channeling. By the time this difference is growing. Master +50chi +elemental +15 + pyro chance +45chi.
I can kill things just fine and building 220 chi purely by dding and using elemental shell is always enough for me.
Getting 399 chi is just overkill so what does it matter
(speaking purely of open pvp\1v1s)0 -
Damaged - Lost City wrote: »I can kill things just fine and building 220 chi purely by dding and using elemental shell is always enough for me.
Getting 399 chi is just overkill so what does it matter
(speaking purely of open pvp\1v1s)
Sure. I agree. Just I gain this 399 much faster. But at PVE I'm using 2spark more often than 3spark. 3spark animation is longer so when I'm killing boss, is it waste of time.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0
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