BMs are OP

Spankkkk - Harshlands
Spankkkk - Harshlands Posts: 1 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Blademaster
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  • ewingoil
    ewingoil Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    What is that suppose to say explain?
  • Zerhee - Lost City
    Zerhee - Lost City Posts: 234 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I have way more hp b:pleased
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  • Wolfgore - Heavens Tear
    Wolfgore - Heavens Tear Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    ewingoil wrote: »
    What is that suppose to say explain?

    LOL, look at his FCKN attack rate and critical m8...WTF?!

    -Int FTW

    Btw HeadTrauma, is OP your alt? b:laughb:chuckle
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  • Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver
    Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    and Lyndura thinks fist bms suck... LOL
  • Beatrixxx - Lost City
    Beatrixxx - Lost City Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    has to be said that on that pic he is demonsparked that is not normal atk spd and dmg range with the gear he has but yea endgame fists are veryvery powerfull
  • Wolfgore - Heavens Tear
    Wolfgore - Heavens Tear Posts: 293 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Beatrixxx - Lost City wrote: »
    has to be said that on that pic he is demonsparked that is not normal atk spd and dmg range with the gear he has but yea endgame fists are veryvery powerfull


    Quoted for truth, tried 3 times yesterday to tank Demon BM spark, with Deicide Claws.
    The guy Had -1 int from TT99 wrists, -0.5 int from TT99 2 piece bonus, -0.5Int from Love:up and Down, 0.5 int, -0.5 int from Lunarglade robe, -0.1 int from Deicide claws b:chuckle

    Well i was able to tank it but NOT for too long. He was getting CHI like mad, i couldnt keep up with it. He was Hell Sparking like every 30sec lol.

    Well in real pvp conditions i wouldn't just stand and tank it lol, but i just wanted to witness end game fist damage. b:shocked Its scary
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  • Fireblood - Harshlands
    Fireblood - Harshlands Posts: 1,414 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Spankkkk - Harshlands wrote: »
    http://img44.imageshack.us/img44/1197/50lolol.png b:surrender
    Hi HT b:bye
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    Quit.
  • Beatrixxx - Lost City
    Beatrixxx - Lost City Posts: 118 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Wolfgore - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    Quoted for truth, tried 3 times yesterday to tank Demon BM spark, with Deicide Claws.
    The guy Had -1 int from TT99 wrists, -0.5 int from TT99 2 piece bonus, -0.5Int from Love:up and Down, 0.5 int, -0.5 int from Lunarglade robe, -0.1 int from Deicide claws b:chuckle

    Well i was able to tank it but NOT for too long. He was getting CHI like mad, i couldnt keep up with it. He was Hell Sparking like every 30sec lol.

    Well in real pvp conditions i wouldn't just stand and tank it lol, but i just wanted to witness end game fist damage. b:shocked Its scary

    youd be surprised theres actually a lot of barbs and bms that either forget to run or are dumb enough to think they can tank it... and if i fight someone i know will kite i can demonspark>holypath>roar stun them and if i get it right ill still have 6 seconds them stunned and 6 or more seconds of the demon spark left... and 6 seconds sparked fist atks will take quite a bit of off u
  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    If that is the damage of the BM, either they aren't end game, or they aren't demon sparked. With +1 fists my demon spark boosts me to 8k-8.3K, or somewhere around there in upper damage. So end game, a high refine on Deicides would be more damage than that listed. Add in some nice grade garnets, and that is low end damage for an endgame fister.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

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  • KuZii - Harshlands
    KuZii - Harshlands Posts: 24 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    He's in Fist form, you dont wanna mess with his almost 14k hp in Uber WTF Beast form b:shocked
  • ewingoil
    ewingoil Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Wolfgore - Heavens Tear wrote: »
    LOL, look at his FCKN attack rate and critical m8...WTF?!

    -Int FTW

    Btw HeadTrauma, is OP your alt? b:laughb:chuckle

    I can see that but that I saying much.It looks good though with some fine damage and fast hopefully.
  • taeknight
    taeknight Posts: 6 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    fist only good in 1on1 vs a melee
  • Joshcja - Sanctuary
    Joshcja - Sanctuary Posts: 3,502 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    taeknight wrote: »
    fist only good in 1on1 vs a melee

    ya them silly archers wizzies clerics and venos all...run T.T

    its to bad bm's dont have some kind of debuff that renders an oponent imobile for 3-6 seconds...would be awsome it we had more than one that we could chain into some sort of "lock"

    and heres a geni skill suggestion we need some kind of 7 water affinity geni skill to freeze an oponent....

    b:bye
    Gifs are hard to make work here
  • High_Lord - Heavens Tear
    High_Lord - Heavens Tear Posts: 182 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    taeknight wrote: »
    fist only good in 1on1 vs a melee

    <
    lolled when i saw that
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    ewingoil wrote: »
    What is that suppose to say explain?
    that he spends way too much $ on pw.
    and Lyndura thinks fist bms suck... LOL
    they do, spend that much $ on an archer/get its full interval gear and they do way more damage with bows. even more scary is an end game wizard with same kinda $ spent on it @_@.... imagine trying to kill something with ~10k+ hp, 12k+ def, 14k+ mdef, and m.atk that makes world bosses cry :O.
    If that is the damage of the BM, either they aren't end game, or they aren't demon sparked. With +1 fists my demon spark boosts me to 8k-8.3K, or somewhere around there in upper damage. So end game, a high refine on Deicides would be more damage than that listed. Add in some nice grade garnets, and that is low end damage for an endgame fister.
    that is 'end game,' genius. fists get lousy p.atk per refine, note his 'sparked' p.atk range is maximum is nearly 3k higher than yours. that is solid evidence of a highly refined lunar g13 weapon.

    though that pic is pretty lol.
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  • Telarith - Sanctuary
    Telarith - Sanctuary Posts: 1,417 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    that is 'end game,' genius. fists get lousy p.atk per refine, note his 'sparked' p.atk range is maximum is nearly 3k higher than yours. that is solid evidence of a highly refined lunar g13 weapon.

    though that pic is pretty lol.

    Except for the simple fact that a +10 Deicide with double garnet shards (easily possible currently in Sanc given he has a tome and lunarglade, and Lost City is richer) would have a max that is about 6000 higher than mine. And that isn't even counting barb or wizzy, buff either. And if it was a 3 str 2 dex build as well, damage would be even higher. Knowledge first, type second.
    Fist are the worst at PvP AND PvE, if you disagree, as I said, take it to PM's or make your own guide. Go here if you want to debate about it. - Lyndura

    Get a High lvl Fist warrior use it, Restat to axes. GG - complexx

    :NOTE: These signatures are to forever immortalize, how stupid people can be.
  • Divine_Death - Dreamweaver
    Divine_Death - Dreamweaver Posts: 1,491 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Joshcja - Sanctuary wrote: »
    and heres a geni skill suggestion we need some kind of 7 water affinity geni skill to freeze an oponent....

    b:bye

    Q_Q I don't have enough affinity after Ture Emp. and Balance. b:sad
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    @telarith.

    this will be him with +10 deicide
    lets simulate what gear/stats we know he has to get a rough estimate of p.atk here.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=56d7b47f822d647b

    the formula for p. atk addition from spark = (1 + str / 150 + (.75 mastery) + 5)

    (1 + 265 / 150 + .75 + 5) following order of operations: 265/150 = ~1.77
    (1 + 1.77 + .75 + 5) = 8.52

    now to find his 'weapon attack' which you do twice, once for min, once for max.
    (966 + 75 + 75 + 97 + 97 + 101) * 8.52 = 12021 min
    (1141 + 75 +75 +97 +97 +101) *8.52 = 13512 max.

    knowing this now, lets find out what refine he has.
    note: he only has ~5k higher, not 6k, if he used +10s. its not a bad estimate though.

    *plugs in values till finds right one*
    youll find you can get pretty much his p.atk with a +7 deicide.

    he IS end game, despite what you may label it or not, +7 is a highly refined and pretty expensive weapon.

    before you claim someone doesnt have knowledge, pull your ego out yer butt. remember your saying, 'if you dont know such and such formulas, your opinion is invalid.'

    edit: wow, i was wondering why your attitude seemed familiar, youre that sylvae in legendary, arent you? geez,brings back horrible memories ~_~
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  • Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver
    Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Please do all that same stuff with an archer please, I'm really curious to see if an endgame archer is in fact better than fist bm like you say.
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    considering if the archer had a ton of $ spent on it lol, with full interval gear (pdef neck/belt .05, LA wrist .1, LA bonus .05, tome .05, bow .1, robe .05, rank 8 armor .1) archer can hit 1 attack/s with a bow. even more with demon quick shot :o. (which after the interval rounding i thinkkk is 2 atk/s, id have to double check my math/ elenacostel's charts)

    tomes and cape are screwed up on calc, so it doesnt show the last .05 interval addition.
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=6e271ff9a74c1c55

    on top of way higher p.atk/crit rate (which they can easily get 50% with a huge investment/skills, each crit would roughly pull the archer ahead 1% in DD automatically) archers are really a force to reckon with in terms of damage as well. the spikes speak for themselves. sparked, our attack multiplier is pretty much doubled when figuring out attack.

    1602 subbed in there also into the formula below

    (2307 + 75 + 75 + 97 +97 + 101) * (1 + 483 / 150 + .75 + 5)
    (2752) * (9.97) = 20409-27437 p.atk sparked buddy, with a +10 lunar weapon :o @ 1.86 atk/s.

    sure in flat dps, its not =, but in terms of spiking, it gets pretty nasty. in the long run, for BM to compete/surpass archer in terms of damage, hed need to spark often :P.
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    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • XFeRX - Harshlands
    XFeRX - Harshlands Posts: 134 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    http://pwcalc.ru/pwi/?char=6e271ff9a74c1c55

    ^Fail Ea.b:shutup
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  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    i was too lazy to slap citrines / put refines on EVERY armor ~_~, it takes too long. just did the basics to simulate interval, p.atk, and crit
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary
    RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    At the given attack rate of 1.86 attacks per second...if that was not including the spark 25% speed as well, then this figure is incorrect....with that physical attack listed your archer deals without counting crits 44497 damage in 1 second on average. (your damage estimates above)

    The fist bm in the other example attacking at 5 attacks per second deals 52710 damage in that same one second without counting crits on average. (the thing the OP posted)

    Sure the archer has 50% crit, but the archer also attacks at 37% the speed of the blademaster. That means the bm gets almost 3 attacks per 1 attack of the archer, so has 3x the attacks to crit on potentially, this makes the 27% crit far more potent than the 50% crit of the archer, so the bm deals more damage. Even if you raise the attack rate of the archer to 2.5...the bms crit will still end up procing about the same boost to the damage as the archers in the same given time (damage pretty much is equal). Then there is also chi to factor in. The bm will have at least 2-3x the chi coming in for the same time as the archer, and can demon spark endlessly. Any bm who is trying to hold aggro on something will spark relentlessly. A bm who is dding in squad will spam heavens flame, and probably with very high fist attack speed be able to also toss in the same frequency of triple sparks almost.

    Archers can get similarly high attack speeds with fists and can deal extremely good damage with them. Technically they can attack faster than bms; if the attack max rate wasent capped at 5 they could out dd a bm. Even if they reach 5 attacks per second though, the mastery of the bm will keep their damage higher, if not about the same. The reason for this is now that 50% crit is no longer overtaken by attacking much slower, and now actually is what enhances the archers damage further.

    Similar arguments apply to normal conditions without sparks included.
  • Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver
    Drunken_Chu - Dreamweaver Posts: 257 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    sure in flat dps, its not =, but in terms of spiking, it gets pretty nasty. in the long run, for BM to compete/surpass archer in terms of damage, hed need to spark often :P.

    I'm pretty sure a fully equipped demon fist bm can be sparked 100% of the time.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    DPH>DPS
    this is why wizards win :P
    BMs need to do more DPH to be OP
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary
    RRARRRRGGHHH - Sanctuary Posts: 212 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    So i was thinking about the new classes coming out and i considered that assassin absorption aura buff....you know the one that returns % of damage delt melee damage to user and heals them...and then i looked back to this and was like...omg...with this kind of dps imagine the healing you would get outta that aura rofl..dealing like 50k damage a second with an endless spark setup would be like over 1k healing per second...tanking bosses with no clerics ftw!
  • Sevas - Heavens Tear
    Sevas - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,132 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Okay I will settle this. b:irritated BMs are OP. So am I! b:avoid So are clerics! QQ Anything that kills you is "OP" now get over it. Now that that is over, who would like to be the sexy one to save my bum in dungeons? I promise, it's a lot of fun!

    BMs are my second or third favorite class. They tie with Clerics.
  • AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear
    AdvanceZero - Heavens Tear Posts: 1,413 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    I like saving bums....b:victory
    Retired

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  • Legendadry - Harshlands
    Legendadry - Harshlands Posts: 250 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    getting back to the OP, HT(HeadTrauma) uses fists poleblades and axes and i whenever i see him he has his poleblade equiped(guess he favors that) No such thing as just a fist or axe bm or what have u.... As a high lvl BM u should have all weapon path skills because each offers something special to use. So plz stop teh "fists are the best!" posts, U need to be able to use all paths effectively(at higher lvls)
    I dont level Slow I just enjoy the game b:surrender
  • kenlee
    kenlee Posts: 0 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Legendadry - Harshlands wrote: »
    getting back to the OP, HT(HeadTrauma) uses fists poleblades and axes and i whenever i see him he has his poleblade equiped(guess he favors that) No such thing as just a fist or axe bm or what have u.... As a high lvl BM u should have all weapon path skills because each offers something special to use. So plz stop teh "fists are the best!" posts, U need to be able to use all paths effectively(at higher lvls)
    as i said in other thread, i saw him more often with this weapon than claws

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