Sage archers and PK

SnipeySnipe - Sanctuary
SnipeySnipe - Sanctuary Posts: 9 Arc User
edited November 2009 in Archer
Can a Sage archer PK a demon archer by using Aim low to stun a Demon archer from 34m away and just PK him, since the demon archer cant atk because its short 2m?

Why is demon archer better at 99+?
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  • Falcondance - Heavens Tear
    Falcondance - Heavens Tear Posts: 699 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Demon archers get two skills that give a 10% crit buff when used, and a skill that gives a 30% attack rate buff when used.

    Case in point.
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    "I always thought I'd be the only one doing crazy things for people who would never care enough to do it back or to act like idiots or be entirely vulnerable, and making someone fall in love with you is easy, and flying 3000 miles on four days notice because you can't just sit there and do nothing and breathe into telephones is not everyone's idea of love, but it is the way I can recognize it because that is what I do."
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  • SnipeySnipe - Sanctuary
    SnipeySnipe - Sanctuary Posts: 9 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    what about the first question? with the aim low? 0.o
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  • truekossy
    truekossy Posts: 7,021 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    That would probably work... if the Sage archer caught the Demon archer by surprise.

    At least... it would work until the Demon archer used This, then took one step towards the sage archer and used stun.

    Or until the Demon archer used wings of grace, a damage immune pot, a damage absorb pot, This crossbow, or something of the like.


    Very rarely will that +2 meters make a difference... and if the sage archer was already chasing the Demon archer (or the two both saw each other), odds are the demon archer will be in range and can easily fire off their own aim low (which has a chance to stun) as a counter so the sage doesn't run backwards.
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    SnipeySnipe - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Can a Sage archer PK a demon archer by using Aim low to stun a Demon archer from 34m away and just PK him, since the demon archer cant atk because its short 2m?

    Why is demon archer better at 99+?

    1. Aim Low a wizard and tell me how good of a strategy and how effective that is. How often does it work and would you rely on that sole reason to base your cultivation on?

    2. Demon Archer at 99 gets a permanent 10% increase in crit and Demon Barrage, the highest single/multi target DPS skill. They also get to equip TT99 gold, which allows good -interval stacking. Couple this with QS and you have a "turret".

    At 100, the chi factor is no longer a problem for Demons due to awaken. Also there's Blood Vow, our only skill that saves us from eating dirt from BMs, Barbs etc. Mind you these aren't Demon exclusive, but Sages just don't get that extra "edge" a demon gets as a cumulative effect from Demon skills.
  • XxX_Venm_XxX - Lost City
    XxX_Venm_XxX - Lost City Posts: 7 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Legerity posts a good point, if you depend on that alone you'll die, along with the 10% crit and -__% intervals at 99
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  • Fleuri - Sanctuary
    Fleuri - Sanctuary Posts: 1,763 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    SnipeySnipe - Sanctuary wrote: »
    Can a Sage archer PK a demon archer by using Aim low to stun a Demon archer from 34m away and just PK him, since the demon archer cant atk because its short 2m?

    Why is demon archer better at 99+?

    In my opinion, demon and sage advantages are balanced, but people understand better how to take advantage of demon skills.

    For example... once someone has used soulcleanse, they can not use another apothecary for 2 minutes. A good Sage archer could turn that into a significant advantage.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Fleuri - Sanctuary wrote: »
    In my opinion, demon and sage advantages are balanced, but people understand better how to take advantage of demon skills.

    For example... once someone has used soulcleanse, they can not use another apothecary for 2 minutes. A good Sage archer could turn that into a significant advantage.

    Its like the sage wizard thing.

    Long ago, it was considered that the only way for a wizard to go was demon. Demon was considered superior to sage because of the stuns, freezes,
    -channel skills. The problem was, demon starts to suck at lvl 99. So a few wizards on lost city went sage. These wizards paved to road. They showed the benefits of sage, unlimited chi, one of our basic nukes being shorter, debuffs, increased damage on a few skills and then the ults. A wizard got sage BIDS and showed a few SS of the damage. Since then, most wizards go sage. /longstory

    Maybe something like this can happen for archers, but someone has to SHOW how sage archer > demon archer.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Its like the sage wizard thing.

    Long ago, it was considered that the only way for a wizard to go was demon. Demon was considered superior to sage because of the stuns, freezes,
    -channel skills. The problem was, demon starts to suck at lvl 99. So a few wizards on lost city went sage. These wizards paved to road. They showed the benefits of sage, unlimited chi, one of our basic nukes being shorter, debuffs, increased damage on a few skills and then the ults. A wizard got sage BIDS and showed a few SS of the damage. Since then, most wizards go sage. /longstory

    Maybe something like this can happen for archers, but someone has to SHOW how sage archer > demon archer.

    Actually, no. Any person who just picked up the game and knows the basics of an archer can come to the conclusion demon is better. It's quite clear cut.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Devoted - Lost City wrote: »
    Actually, no. Any person who just picked up the game and knows the basics of an archer can come to the conclusion demon is better. It's quite clear cut.

    That how it was for demon wizard. It was, demon is the ONLY choice for a wizard and if you dont go demon you fail. Its been proved wrong though :P
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Devoted - Lost City
    Devoted - Lost City Posts: 3,634 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    That might be the fact for wizards, but here in Archertown you are considered 'fail' for going sage and to this day you still are.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Haha im not convincing you at all
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited November 2009
    it has never been fact that demon is better for mages, and sage still isn't better with any argument some 83 mage can come up with.

    there is only 1 kill that matters for sage, everything else is demon.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    prof wrote: »
    it has never been fact that demon is better for mages, and sage still isn't better with any argument some 83 mage can come up with.

    there is only 1 kill that matters for sage, everything else is demon.

    Yes, once it used to be hey demon has -25% chan, stuns aand 150% pdef on earth barrier. Funny thing was, the argument for demon was based on skills that were unobtainable before anni packs >.> When a few wizards were like im going sage, the were called failed and not knowing how to play their class. Funny how those sage wizards are on the forums now and the demon wizards are gone? Sage has more than 1 good skill and after seeing the lolterrible demon mage WITH 8jun i decided i wasnt doing that >.>

    Hey, im a 83 mage but you are a no name? and we have no proof that you even play my besides the times when you want to go all pw-my language, and yes i understand what a holy cryonite is :P

    This is an archer thread lets not turn it into wizard sage vs demon. If you want to do that go on the wiz forum and im sure me and others will happily argue with you.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • prof
    prof Posts: 1,111
    edited November 2009
    there
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    how am I to prove I play a server none of you play?
  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    Yes, once it used to be hey demon has -25% chan, stuns aand 150% pdef on earth barrier. Funny thing was, the argument for demon was based on skills that were unobtainable before anni packs >.> When a few wizards were like im going sage, the were called failed and not knowing how to play their class. Funny how those sage wizards are on the forums now and the demon wizards are gone? Sage has more than 1 good skill and after seeing the lolterrible demon mage WITH 8jun i decided i wasnt doing that >.>

    Hey, im a 83 mage but you are a no name? and we have no proof that you even play my besides the times when you want to go all pw-my language, and yes i understand what a holy cryonite is :P

    This is an archer thread lets not turn it into wizard sage vs demon. If you want to do that go on the wiz forum and im sure me and others will happily argue with you.


    The reason why Demon is the clear cut choice and I can direct you to places where you may find proof aswell:


    (1): Archers deal damage using USING PRIMARILY: Critical Hits, and Attack Rates

    - We dont have Nukes, and Chi is not much of a concern as we dont deal the bulk of our damage through skills.
    - We critical, and critical often.
    - The more attacks we get off the higher the chance you will critical.


    (2): Demon is the only class that provides skills suited to an archers damage dealing criteria

    - Quickshot increases attack rate
    - Stunning Arrow and Sharpened Tooth increase Critical Rate
    - Take aim has channeling time reduced (even though you wouldn't use it)
    - Demon Spark has the same damage bonus as Sage Spark, but we get a 30% improved attack rate.
    - Both Passive skills increase critical rate

    (3): Sage Chi isn't special

    - Once you get to 100 archers get Awaken - instantly recharge all our sparks.

    (4): Blood Vow

    - Once you get to 100 if you put in the effort you can get Blood Vow (Decrease HP, and Amplify Damage)
    - Demons can better take advantage of damage amplification using Demon triple spark.





    Some end game archers (level 10x) on Lost City that have went sage regret the choice.


    If you need real convincing - p-servers are readily available. Level 150 archers running around are mostly demon. Main reason? At that level you will never get past HP-charms without attack rate improvements as an archer.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    With luck, a sage wizard can do all 3 ults in 1 sutra combo.

    It has to be in this order:
    sutra > MS/BT > MS/BT(the one you didnt use before) > BIDS
    you need master li technique and 1 double spark pot. MS and BT effect also need to proc and there you go. Look on the wiz forum and there should be the exact formula.

    @the archers
    ya but my guild has a sage archer with the 88 mold slingshot at +7 and he scares me more than the demon archers with +10 Blinding Radiance o.o

    Same goes for Illyana o.o
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    With luck, a sage wizard can do all 3 ults in 1 sutra combo.

    It has to be in this order:
    sutra > MS/BT > MS/BT(the one you didnt use before) > BIDS
    you need master li technique and 1 double spark pot. MS and BT effect also need to proc and there you go. Look on the wiz forum and there should be the exact formula.

    @the archers
    ya but my guild has a sage archer with the 88 mold slingshot at +7 and he scares me more than the demon archers with +10 Blinding Radiance o.o

    Same goes for Illyana o.o
    thing is about sage wizard, the fact someone made it work doesnt mean everyone can make it work, demon has so many elemental debuffs, the extra stuns, pdef, etc. o, and -% channel, thats not important to a wiz, right?

    the same goes for archer, if you just stayed 89, of course, sage can compare to demon. as you get higher and higher, the benefits of demon way outweigh sage, and the power gap between the two gets huge.

    and theres an 88 mold xbow, not a sling :P. +10 BR would have way more attack than windcatcher anyways, why fear the sage?
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »
    thing is about sage wizard, the fact someone made it work doesnt mean everyone can make it work, demon has so many elemental debuffs, the extra stuns, pdef, etc. o, and -% channel, thats not important to a wiz, right?

    the same goes for archer, if you just stayed 89, of course, sage can compare to demon. as you get higher and higher, the benefits of demon way outweigh sage, and the power gap between the two gets huge.

    and theres an 88 mold xbow, not a sling :P. +10 BR would have way more attack than windcatcher anyways, why fear the sage?

    demon doesnt have element debuffs, thats sage and for a wiz, sage gets bettter as you level. The 92 and 99 skills for sage are INSANE and demon's 92 skills are ok but the 99 skills are lolterrible. Wiz doesnt really use stuns, -chan and pdef isnt a problem 90+. Wiz focuses on crit and the major increase in crit comes from sage with BIDS. If you want more about sage vs demon on wiz go to the wiz forum b:laugh. Trying not to make this sage wiz vs demon wiz. Just making an analogy.

    Well, its a sling with +2 range i think its a mold and the sage archer knows how to use it.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Legerity - Sanctuary
    Legerity - Sanctuary Posts: 1,072 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
    demon doesnt have element debuffs, thats sage and for a wiz, sage gets bettter as you level. The 92 and 99 skills for sage are INSANE and demon's 92 skills are ok but the 99 skills are lolterrible. Wiz doesnt really use stuns, -chan and pdef isnt a problem 90+. Wiz focuses on crit and the major increase in crit comes from sage with BIDS. If you want more about sage vs demon on wiz go to the wiz forum b:laugh. Trying not to make this sage wiz vs demon wiz. Just making an analogy.

    Well, its a sling with +2 range i think its a mold and the sage archer knows how to use it.

    You don't seem to have an idea how an Archer operates. I can find so many things wrong with your posts here in this thread.

    Stop posting in this thread, seriously.
  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
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    All jokes aside,
    What im trying to say is that, maybe there is a way for a sage archer to be on par with demon archers. Its just that someone has to lead the way on how to do that/what skill combination to use. Yes demon owns and demon is leet and demon QS is OMGWTFPWN but maybe a sage archer can OMGWTFPWN someone in a different way without demon QS.

    Generally try to find the opposite. Sage wizards are chi dependant while demon wizards arent. Sage barbs are defense oriented while demon barbs are offense oriented.

    There has to be something sage archer does better than a demon archer and thats how a sage archer can shine. Im not claiming i know what it is, im just saying there has to be a way.
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    screenshot of this sling? are you sure it's not the TT90 gold striker: glare? there's no mold sling in existence after wind and clouds i don't think :-/
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  • Archers_Soul - Lost City
    Archers_Soul - Lost City Posts: 746 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    ya wanna know something funny about sage archers that ppl cant seem to grasp?

    sage archers can crit to. not as much as demons but they crit and they crit hard.

    but yea demon skill pwns sage.
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  • Mizuoni - Dreamweaver
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver Posts: 3,533 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Quilue - Sanctuary wrote: »
    screenshot of this sling? are you sure it's not the TT90 gold striker: glare? there's no mold sling in existence after wind and clouds i don't think :-/

    I dont know, last time i seen it was in August. Havent logged in DW since then >.>

    I will check on ecatomb.
    but i think it was a mold, but it couldve been a gold weapon
    Sins are Scissors. Psychics are Rocks.
    Archers, Venos, Barbs, Wizards, BMs, Mystics, Seekers are Paper.
    ...and Clerics are Mushrooms.
    Paper beats Rock. Scissors beats Paper. Scissors also happens to beat Rock...until Rock gets 50k+ soulforce at which point Rock becomes an unstoppable killing machine that beats Paper... and would beat Scissors but it can't find Scissors, because Scissors are invisible.
    So Scissors beat Paper and avoids Rock, and that is called BALANCE. -cheze
  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Mizuoni - Dreamweaver wrote: »
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    All jokes aside,
    What im trying to say is that, maybe there is a way for a sage archer to be on par with demon archers. Its just that someone has to lead the way on how to do that/what skill combination to use. Yes demon owns and demon is leet and demon QS is OMGWTFPWN but maybe a sage archer can OMGWTFPWN someone in a different way without demon QS.

    Generally try to find the opposite. Sage wizards are chi dependant while demon wizards arent. Sage barbs are defense oriented while demon barbs are offense oriented.

    There has to be something sage archer does better than a demon archer and thats how a sage archer can shine. Im not claiming i know what it is, im just saying there has to be a way.

    You simply fail to know anything about archers:


    (1): Archers deal damage through Critical hits and Attack Rates
    (2): Archers have poor damage output otherwise
    (3): Archers dont have Nuking skills
    (4): Archers are not a chi-dependent class
    (5): Archers wear the weakest armor in game
    (6): Archers need at least 5m's on targets (Depending on the weapon)
    (7): Archers have low HP without pumping lots of points into VIT
    (8): Archers have no extra passive buff's which increase our survivability.



    So what? Sage Mages found their mark? It doesn't mean it applies in all cases.


    The only thing Chi is really good for from an archer point of view is:

    (1): Spark
    (2): Awaken
    (3): Wings of Grace
    (4): Thunder Shock


    Awaken is the same for both demon and sage.

    Demon spark is better damage wise (no sages do not even come close to the damage output of demon spark)

    Wings of Grace is the same for both Demon and Sage

    Thunder Shock is a 30 point drain.





    As an archer you will kill almost nobody your own level unless you (A): kill them while their fighting a monster their own level, or (B): have decent damage output.


    For (B): you need at least one of:


    (A): Demon Spark (Robes)
    (B): Demon Skills
    (C): Heavily Refined and Cash-Shopped Armor (+12 Bows, Heavenrage Boots, Full HH9x Armor pieces, etc)





    From a purely PvP perspective its this simple choice:


    Demon or $1000+.



    Of course there is nothing stopping you from spending $6000+.



    The sage archers on Lost City have spent well over $6000 on this game. They do hit hard and kill often - they just had to spend loads of money to make-up for their lack of attack-rate increase.


    By the way before you comment - Charmed PvP may be a little different than you are used to.
  • WaffleChan - Sanctuary
    WaffleChan - Sanctuary Posts: 2,897 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Archers_Soul - Lost City wrote: »
    ya wanna know something funny about sage archers that ppl cant seem to grasp?

    sage archers can crit too. not as much as demons but they crit and they crit hard.

    but yea demon skill pwns sage.
    fixed. your point? it doesnt make you anywhere as good as demon.
    [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
    advice to fledgling archers:
    Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
  • Kamen - Harshlands
    Kamen - Harshlands Posts: 19 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Holy EA sucks b:bye
  • Quilue - Sanctuary
    Quilue - Sanctuary Posts: 5,787 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    ok you're listing every skill that needs chi, but you don't absolutely need chi to kill someone with archer. it's not like BMs where they can't stun lock without chi.
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  • Buttworm - Dreamweaver
    Buttworm - Dreamweaver Posts: 28 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Sometimes, even in many cases Autoattack ftw
    Holy EA sucksb:bye
    Yes, we do, we are all fail as a class and as a players actually.
    Was nice to see you here, thank you for visiting and posting.
    Bye bye.
    Come again b:bye
  • angellicdeity
    angellicdeity Posts: 641 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Incarnata - Harshlands wrote: »
    You seem to be confused. For example, awaken provides spark -- you do not need Chi for Awaken.

    However, you do need chi for:

    (5) Aim Low
    (6) Barrage of Arrows
    (7) Blood Vow
    (8) Elven Alacrity
    (9) Winged Shell
    etc.

    If you think you'll use Barrage or Aim Low over A Spark, Wings of Grace or Blood Vow in PvP you fail as an archer.


    (1): Aim Low isn't perfect
    (2): Aim Low doesn't work well against casters

    - Mages can shrink their distance
    - Clerics can spam heal themselves when out of range
    - Venos will just send a Nix

    (3): Aim Low doesn't work against melees much

    - BM's can resist it
    - Barbs can shrug it off


    If your going to fight use Stunning Arrow - No Chi usage, and it actually stops them from using attacks. As a Demon Archer - More Crit!



    As I said before, we are not a chi-dependent class. And if you read - I said of importance to archers... So your point really doesn't count.
  • Midnight - Lost City
    Midnight - Lost City Posts: 39 Arc User
    edited November 2009
    Hm im sage and i kill hell archers all the time... First off end game u can have around 35+% crit as a heaven archer which..isnt that low. When i crit i do more dmg cuz my passive. if ur in 1vs1 pvp hell spark is a little overrated because no idiot would should try to tank 3 spark hell or heaven. Alot of the times in pvp u wont have the opprotunity to have 3 sparks and if u use hell spakr its a huge target on ur head saying HEY GUIZ KILL ME. Reason why i like sage: 4.5 sec stun rather then 10% is nice cuz if i wanted to use 3 spark(which i rarely do) i can actually pull it off then chi skill or genie chi skill iam low and **** the person. heaven aim low 5 sec seal is pretty nice 20% sage st is real nice cuz end game 4% hp starts adding up with ppl with good gear. A more powerful take aim with a more powerful passive = more dmg if it crits(which omg archers do often) and yes demon quickshot is nice but end game there isnt too many ppl u can kill auto shotting even with 1+attack rate. Let me do two metal skills with my higher base dmg and ill probably do the similiar dmg. And as regards to chi i'd rather use pk pots defensively rather then for chi so i kinda like the free chi D:

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