Remember those days?
WaffleChan - Sanctuary
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Remember those days where half this board would be covered in phoenix QQ topics, being spammed and flamed left and right? Remember when people complained that its not fair that venos could get a so called 'over powered' item from the cash shop, and other classes cant?
Well, you finally got the tables turned. The anniversary packs gave you exactly what you whiny players asked for. Endgame gear / powerful items in the CS to match what venos have. What do you do? You complain. It just goes to show, no matter how much people get what they want, theyll still find something to whine over.
Quit complaining about anniversary packs, theyre exactly what the old player base asked for, so why whine?
Well, you finally got the tables turned. The anniversary packs gave you exactly what you whiny players asked for. Endgame gear / powerful items in the CS to match what venos have. What do you do? You complain. It just goes to show, no matter how much people get what they want, theyll still find something to whine over.
Quit complaining about anniversary packs, theyre exactly what the old player base asked for, so why whine?
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advice to fledgling archers:
Going sage is like drunken sex, at first she may look good, but when you wake up the next morning; you'll look at her and go WHAT HAVE I DONE.
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Somehow I don't think the idea was to give everyone OP weapons from the cash shop. The idea was to take the weapons of the venos out of the cash shop, not put other weapons in. b:chuckle[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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I lol'd.
You forgot to mention the slight period in-between then and now when people just sucked it up and dealt with it.0 -
I don't remember those days since I didn't start when you did!!
BTW, I didn't read your post, just the title see how uber smart I am???If anniversary pack threads keep getting made I'll keep trolling them until there isn't anymore!b:bye0 -
I'm glad more are catching on. Hopefully everyone else will realize this and understand. There is never absolute balance in the human condition. Even though this is a game, humans run it and play it so there is no escaping reality... everything in life shifts and right now it's not in the majorities favor so they will tend to whine and "QQ" as it were lolz.
Since there is no telling how long things will remain this way, it's best to try and adjust and move forward. If not, you can always turn off the game and do something else for a while... why torture yourself if you aren't enjoying your playing experience?0 -
Mephistic - Dreamweaver wrote: »I'm glad more are catching on. Hopefully everyone else will realize this and understand. There is never absolute balance in the human condition. Even though this is a game, humans run it and play it so there is no escaping reality... everything in life shifts and right now it's not in the majorities favor so they will tend to whine and "QQ" as it were lolz.
Since there is no telling how long things will remain this way, it's best to try and adjust and move forward. If not, you can always turn off the game and do something else for a while... why torture yourself if you aren't enjoying your playing experience?
Sadly most of the time ppl like that dont know where the power button is. Its as if their own existence is attached to the cyber world by some invisible umbilical cord, and if its severed they will cease to exist. .oO{wouldnt that be nice}Oo. LOL.
In general ppl will always find something to wine and complain about. Its human nature to be unsatisfied even when we get what we asked for. Unless you were raised to be grateful and thankful for the things you have and not stress over what you dont. b:victory[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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RavinTink - Sanctuary wrote: »
In general ppl will always find something to whine and complain about. Its human nature to be unsatisfied even when we get what we asked for. Unless you were raised to be grateful and thankful for the things you have and not stress over what you dont. b:victory
I am a pretty content person in real life. But to be perfectly honest, I LOVE a good argument, whine, or troll fest. Heck, I will often argue the opposite of what I actually believe, just to be contrary (especially if everyone else believes the way I do).
But I digress.
People are unsatisfied.
They have a nagging feeling that their lives and everything they do amounts to nothing (and they would be correct for the most part) and so they are generally unhappy. This often translates into a need to whine and complain about perceived ills and wrongs to attempt to feel justified for this feeling they have that they are pathetic, empty, mindless drones. Just one more mindless bleating sheep in a herd of billions.
They ARE pathetic, empty, mindless drones. Bleating sheep, and nothing they can do will change that because they FEAR to step away from the herd and risk the wolves. So instead they bleat out their frustration.
Heck, even I fall into that category sometimes. The herd mentality that we have pounded into us from day one is a hard thing to overcome.
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WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »Remember those days where half this board would be covered in phoenix QQ topics, being spammed and flamed left and right? Remember when people complained that its not fair that venos could get a so called 'over powered' item from the cash shop, and other classes cant?
Well, you finally got the tables turned. The anniversary packs gave you exactly what you whiny players asked for. Endgame gear / powerful items in the CS to match what venos have. What do you do? You complain. It just goes to show, no matter how much people get what they want, theyll still find something to whine over.
Quit complaining about anniversary packs, theyre exactly what the old player base asked for, so why whine?
You seem to be confused about what part is necessarily being complaining about what the Anniversary Packs. What's being complained is how far those products can make a difference in space between people that spend 1.) a lot of money into this game, 2.) a little amount of money into this game, or 3.) no money at all into the game. And that difference of space extending itself every damn time that it gains the chance to become larger. Until people feel that that exact space is creating a entirely separate plane of level in playing the game to any kind of players (ones that gain massive levels and wealthy gears through 100% instance runs, questing, and the like, and those that gain the same exact thing by spending 'a lot of money' and not working nearly as much).Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Heck, I will often argue the opposite of what I actually believe, just to be contrary (especially if everyone else believes the way I do).
That's called playing the Devil's Advocate, all debaters do it. Welcome to Basics of How to Debate . b:embarrass
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »I am a pretty content person in real life. But to be perfectly honest, I LOVE a good argument, whine, or troll fest. Heck, I will often argue the opposite of what I actually believe, just to be contrary (especially if everyone else believes the way I do).
But I digress.
People are unsatisfied.
They have a nagging feeling that their lives and everything they do amounts to nothing (and they would be correct for the most part) and so they are generally unhappy. This often translates into a need to whine and complain about perceived ills and wrongs to attempt to feel justified for this feeling they have that they are pathetic, empty, mindless drones. Just one more mindless bleating sheep in a herd of billions.
They ARE pathetic, empty, mindless drones. Bleating sheep, and nothing they can do will change that because they FEAR to step away from the herd and risk the wolves. So instead they bleat out their frustration.
Heck, even I fall into that category sometimes. The herd mentality that we have pounded into us from day one is a hard thing to overcome.
Saitada
So if you're not human, what are you?
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Accelerated - Sanctuary wrote: »That's called playing the Devil's Advocate, all debaters do it. Welcome to Basics of How to Debate .
I am aware of what it means. I stated it the way I did for a reason. That is called, making a specific type of point. Understand what I was trying to say? Or should I break it down into an easier format for you?
I often argue things
I don't always believe in what I am arguing
I do it just to confuse people.
Because I like to confuse people.
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AlbireoTwo - Lost City wrote: »So if you're not human, what are you?
I am a Diety. Didn't my name give that away? :P
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »I am aware of what it means. I stated it the way I did for a reason. That is called, making a specific type of point. Understand what I was trying to say? Or should I break it down into an easier format for you?
I often argue things
I don't always believe in what I am arguing
I do it just to confuse people.
Because I like to confuse people.
~Saitada
Funny, I don't remember asking you what a certain word meant, that's completely irrelevant.
Only thing I remember saying was that what you do is nothing special and that every debaters do it.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Accelerated - Sanctuary wrote: »Funny, I don't remember asking you what a certain word meant, that's completely irrelevant.
Only thing I remember saying was that what you do is nothing special and that every debaters do it.
Funny, from what you said, sure seemed like you were implying I didn't know what being the Devils advocate was and thought you would be cute by attempting to show me up by explaining it as a debate tactic. Thus my response.
And while what I do may be nothing 'special' do try to remember that most people are NOT debaters and don't have any idea how to argue for something they don't believe in. Unfortunately, debating clubs in schools are frequently non existent any more. More is the pity.
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Funny, from what you said, sure seemed like you were implying I didn't know what being the Devils advocate was and thought you would be cute by attempting to show me up by explaining it as a debate tactic. Thus my response.
And while what I do may be nothing 'special' do try to remember that most people are NOT debaters and don't have any idea how to argue for something they don't believe in. Unfortunately, debating clubs in schools are frequently non existent any more. More is the pity.
~Saitada
If that was my implication, it was only because that's how you made yourself sound like. What would I gain by starting up a debate about the meaning of a term?
Haha, excuse me? I think, OMG I RULE YOU SUCK I NO EVERY THING CUZ I SO LEET sounds like a super argument line. b:cute[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Accelerated - Sanctuary wrote: »If that was my implication, it was only because that's how you made yourself sound like. What would I gain by starting up a debate about the meaning of a term?
Haha, excuse me? I think, OMG I RULE YOU SUCK I NO EVERY THING CUZ I SO LEET sounds like a super argument line. b:cute
Rofl. Well, I have LITERALLY been known to argue with a Fence post. Sometimes I see a potential argument in things where there isn't one.
The fence post bit is a short story. We were putting up 3700 feet of 6 foot chain link. One of my guys mixed the concrete thin for one of the corner poles. It kept leaning off true. I finally stood there for 20 odd minutes holding the post true, while cussing it, him and the concrete soundly and roundly until the concrete set enough to hold the post itself.
So when I say I have argued with a Fence post... I'm not fibbing!!!
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Saitada - Sanctuary wrote: »Rofl. Well, I have LITERALLY been known to argue with a Fence post. Sometimes I see a potential argument in things where there isn't one.
The fence post bit is a short story. We were putting up 3700 feet of 6 foot chain link. One of my guys mixed the concrete thin for one of the corner poles. It kept leaning off true. I finally stood there for 20 odd minutes holding the post true, while cussing it, him and the concrete soundly and roundly until the concrete set enough to hold the post itself.
So when I say I have argued with a Fence post... I'm not fibbing!!!
~Saitada
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Aelebera - Heavens Tear wrote: »its the fact that you appear to have won the argument that astounds me
If you remember from the story, the fence post had a weak base for the argument.... So it had no chance to stand on its own....Too often we loose sight of life's simple pleasures. Remember, when someone annoys you, it takes 42 muscles in your face to frown, BUT, it only takes 4 muscles to extend your arm and slap that mother#$@%#^! upside the head.0 -
IceJazmin - Heavens Tear wrote: »If you remember from the story, the fence post had a weak base for the argument.... So it had no chance to stand on its own....
brilliant in so many ways 0.o[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]0 -
Accelerated - Sanctuary wrote: »You seem to be confused about what part is necessarily being complaining about what the Anniversary Packs. What's being complained is how far those products can make a difference in space between people that spend 1.) a lot of money into this game, 2.) a little amount of money into this game, or 3.) no money at all into the game. And that difference of space extending itself every damn time that it gains the chance to become larger. Until people feel that that exact space is creating a entirely separate plane of level in playing the game to any kind of players (ones that gain massive levels and wealthy gears through 100% instance runs, questing, and the like, and those that gain the same exact thing by spending 'a lot of money' and not working nearly as much).
That's called playing the Devil's Advocate, all debaters do it. Welcome to Basics of How to Debate . b:embarrass
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People complained that venos got overpowered pets in the boutique.
People complained that everyone gets overpowered gear from the boutique.
It sounds to me that people have a consistent opinion that overpowered things available in the boutique are bad. How is this foolish?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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Asterelle - Sanctuary wrote: »People complained that venos got overpowered pets in the boutique.
People complained that everyone gets overpowered gear from the boutique.
It sounds to me that people have a consistent opinion that overpowered things available in the boutique are bad. How is this foolish?[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »it was your argument that it was unfair 'venos get an unfair advantage by having an 'endgame' item avaliable in the CS from level 1.' ive also seen you make posts saying itd be nice if archer could get really nice weapons from cs, maybe thatd make it fair. im saying, people complain about getting what they want alot of the time.
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I think the difference is that the gear you get from the packs can be obtained IN GAME, as opposed to the special pets for venos that you can not work hard in game to obtain. No doubt, there will still be complaints if there were special weapons or gear which was not normally obtainable in game through the cash shop, but I think the main feeling of betrayal is that people who have worked so hard in the game (and often spending lots of real life cash for charms etc. as well) suddenly find the symbol of their achievements cheapened.
Also, Venos are still overpowered. They can still use those fantastic gear available to others now, plus their nix and herc. So there is no net balancing per se.b:chuckle0 -
WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »it was your argument that it was unfair 'venos get an unfair advantage by having an 'endgame' item avaliable in the CS from level 1.' ive also seen you make posts saying itd be nice if archer could get really nice weapons from cs, maybe thatd make it fair. im saying, people complain about getting what they want alot of the time.
I don't think I have ever said I prefer archers to have end game equipment available from the cash shop. I believe I have only drawn equivalent comparisons to demonstrate how it would be unfair.
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Ladyrain - Lost City wrote: »I think the difference is that the gear you get from the packs can be obtained IN GAME, as opposed to the special pets for venos that you can not work hard in game to obtain. No doubt, there will still be complaints if there were special weapons or gear which was not normally obtainable in game through the cash shop, but I think the main feeling of betrayal is that people who have worked so hard in the game (and often spending lots of real life cash for charms etc. as well) suddenly find the symbol of their achievements cheapened.
Also, Venos are still overpowered. They can still use those fantastic gear available to others now, plus their nix and herc. So there is no net balancing per se.b:chuckle
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Ladyrain - Lost City wrote: »Yup. 1-hit world bosses FTW! b:victory
That's too much. Let's have the world bosses run away when they see a player that strong.b:laugh
I didn't like the packs in the first place. I saw the forges in 1k streams and dreaded the day those items became available. I will admit I bought some packs myself but I only got tokens of luck anyway.b:surrender
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WaffleChan - Sanctuary wrote: »it was your argument that it was unfair 'venos get an unfair advantage by having an 'endgame' item avaliable in the CS from level 1.' ive also seen you make posts saying itd be nice if archer could get really nice weapons from cs, maybe thatd make it fair. im saying, people complain about getting what they want alot of the time.
Sounds to me like reductio ad absurdum.[SIGPIC][/SIGPIC]
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let us not forget that potentially, you can get the warsoul weapons right now. if your willing to spend 4000+ bucks in the CS that is. i can't help but feel like the devs are just waiting for someone to get one to move the packs outxD0
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