Demon Masteries: The facts!

400 kills on those same rams. I took off all my crit gear, so I had 1% crit and 17 dex (borrowed a dex magic ring). Here are the results:

399 normal hits (first 300 were all normal)
1 crit

Can't reject my null hypothesis. Oh well.

Dratini - Lost City wrote: »

the person who answered your ticket is a ******
firstly, their answer is so ambiguous
secondly, there is a "?" at the end indicating they are not sure and have just red the skill descritption at ecatomb and attempted to interpret it
need someone to go and gush 1000 monsters
imo its probably 3% total otherwise it would just be severly imbalanced
if it is 3% i reckon sage masteries are the same awesome as demon masteries
3% crit = 3% more damage (bonus damage delivered in spikes = bypass charm kills?)
VS
4% damage = 4% more damage (bonus damage delivered consitently = dps during sutra after ticking charm kills?)
not too sure if my last comparison is true

*cough cough* Dratini that was the actual question being asked not the answer. b:chuckle
"> Thank you in advance,
>
> Celia."
that part makes it obvious ish. o.o'

wtd is this, just +1% to crit.....
*COUGH* cleric = +2% CRIT

Sigh i've been looking for a simple this is better or that is better but the Sage/Demon Wiz topic always spins off into limbo. Are there any Demon Wizzys out there that are happy wth the choice they made?b:surrender

Statistics have error margins. Despite the effort it doesn't prove a thing to me.

Perhaps a GM could make a Wizard with 0% base crit (maybe 0 dex?) to test it.

Lorsis if u don't already have water mastery u shuld learn earth mastery and run another test... it'd be a lot easier to decipher the results

anyways i'll test it this way eventually myself if no one else does first

A quick and dirty mathematical comparison of sage/demon masteries on DPS using pyro and stone rain.

Why not gush? Additional damage is hard to factor in without coming up with a full set of equipment and a mage to wear that equipment, which introduces more variance and makes it harder to see the effect of the masteries reliably.

I'm also ignoring the longer cooldown time of stone rain, but the idea is to compare the effect of the masteries, not the individual skills.

DPS = Total Damage / Total Time
Total Damage = Base Damage * Mastery Boost * Critical Hit Rate
Total Time = Channeling + Cast + Lag

I’ll assume a .15 second lag per spell, so .3 for both spells

For Critical Hit Rate, I will use a mage with the basic 1%, and a mage with 17% from gear. I will also run the Demon with and without crit % from masteries stacking. I saw that in a different post on the subject, where the demon mage had 20% crit when eyes of observation were used.

To Make things simple, I’ll use a base damage of ‘1’ as the total for BOTH spells. This makes computation and comparison easier without throwing results off. Want realistic damage? Just multiply the final number here by the actual base damage for both spells combined (meaning base magic damage +%wep damage).

Sage Total Time = (1.5+0.8+0.15) + (1.6+1.4+.15) = 5.6
Demon Total Time = (1.2+.8+.15) + (2.0+1.4+.15) = 5.7
--> Conveniently similar for comparing masteries alone.

Sage:

Total Damage = 1*1.25*1.01 = 1.2625
DPS = 1.2625/5.6 = 0.225446429

Total Damage = 1*1.25*1.17 = 1.4625
DPS = 1.4625/5.6 = 0.261160714


Demon With Stacking:

Total Damage = 1*1.20*1.04=1.248
DPS = 1.248/5.7 = 0.218947368
-->Comparable Sage has 2.96% damage advantage over Demon


Total Damage = 1*1.20*1.20=1.44
DPS = 1.44/5.7 = 0.252631579
-->Comparable Sage has 3.37% damage advantage over Demon


Demon Without Stacking:

Total Damage = 1*1.20*1.02=1.224
DPS = 1.224/5.7 = 0.214736842
-->Comparable Sage has 4.98% damage advantage over Demon

Total Damage = 1*1.20*1.18=1.416
DPS = 1.416/5.7 = 0.248421053
-->Comparable Sage has 5.12% damage advantage over Demon

As a quick damage example, lets say pyro has a base of 5k and stone rain a base of 7.5k (just made up), then:

Sage with 1% base crit does (12500)*0.225446429 = 2818 dps
Demon with 1% base crit and crit stacking does (12500)*0.218947368 = 2737 dps
Demon with 1% base crit and 1% mastery does (12500)*0.214736842 = 2684 dps

So it boils down to about a 2% difference in damage depending on if it stacks or not (3% vs. 5% sage advantage) for the pyro+stone rain combo minus cooldown times. Note that if you arbitrarily make the two times the same (5.7 each) it shrinks to about a 1.16% sage advantage.

Another note is that if you run the same thing with gush/pyro and ignore the demon damage advantage on gush, demon comes out ahead by roughly 5.7% dps, due to the timing advantage (again ignoring cooldown, which is an important factor for long term DPS).

Obviously this doesn’t take in to account a lot of other skills and skill effects, so I wouldn’t recommend using these numbers alone as a choice for sage/demon either. This also assumes that 1% crit really means 1% crit in game, which there is some controversy over.

Don't believe for 1 second that the GM's in this game have a clue about the game itself. They gave you an un-educated guess. If it was 1% for all I imagine it would be reflected by your total crit %.

I don't see how sage would be 1 way and demon another. The crit should only apply to those elements.

Lorsis - Lost City wrote: »

I thought i posted results od 2nd test... With earth and fire mastery... Seems i forgot. But results were pretty much the same, it does stack, and working on all elements

This is a case of wishful thinking. You can't possibly notice a difference of 1% and say it works on all elements. Now if you can actually read the physical data to get an actual 100% sure #, then I will believe it. :P

Still a single sage ice dragon > all demon masteries if they ever did stack.